On April 25 2013 07:15 Mandalor wrote: We've all seen how Barca didn't play the way they are capable of and I don't think today's games were on par with Real's strongest showings this season, either. It must be hard to motivate yourself to give your 100% when you've just 4-0ed or 4-1ed that same opponent. I would be very, veeery surprised If both Barca and Real didn't win on home turf. If either of them can make a miracle happen, I don't know, but they're not out yet. That's all I'm saying. People get cocky and throw games they had in the bag all the time.
You would need every planet in this solar system to align, a meteor to strike the earth, and the second coming of Jesus to occur all at the same time before Bayern doesn't go through to the finals with a 4 goal aggregate lead and Barca without an away goal.
RM has a shot at coming back, but it still isn't likely. The odds of them shutting out BVB are pretty slim.
On April 25 2013 05:53 WerderBremen wrote: Imo this is quiete unbelievable if you look at thing, years back in season 2007/08 EVERYONE in germany talked like "well we will never be able to compete with the big names (and the big money)" - huuuuge drama. How things have changed so fast.
Yeah, but at least Dortmund's development was completely unforseeable. Their story is pretty incredible if you think about it. They had just recovered from financial problems, were a mid-tier team and had no stars back then. The only thing they had going for them were their amazing fans.
Then they bought Kagawa for 500.000€, Bender for free, Subotic for free, Błaszczykowski for 3.000.000€, Lewandowsi for 4.000.000€, somehow talked Bayern into selling them Hummels for 4.000.000€ (after he already showed how amazing he was) and from their youth came Sahin, Großkreutz and Götze.
Best transfer management EVER.
Sry, you are just wrong completly.
Kagawa was 350k, Bender was 1,5M and a RB, Subotic was ~4M and Lewy was 4.75M-
Did that from memory. All close enough except for Subotic, thought his contract ran out.
klopp brought him along from mainz iirc but doesn't matter. the crazy part is that they managed to develop a world class team out of a bunch of mid-tier bundesliga players, 2 guys from poland nobody had ever heard of and some talents without any experience.
You guys forgot they got Piszczek, a left winger, for free from a team being relegated down. He is an unsung hero. He is the reason ronaldo was so quiet.
Piszczek is a great player and a great acquisition, but Ronaldo still had many chances, two dribbles, and a goal. Though I guess for Ronaldo that is a pretty quiet game.
On April 25 2013 05:53 WerderBremen wrote: Imo this is quiete unbelievable if you look at thing, years back in season 2007/08 EVERYONE in germany talked like "well we will never be able to compete with the big names (and the big money)" - huuuuge drama. How things have changed so fast.
Yeah, but at least Dortmund's development was completely unforseeable. Their story is pretty incredible if you think about it. They had just recovered from financial problems, were a mid-tier team and had no stars back then. The only thing they had going for them were their amazing fans.
Then they bought Kagawa for 500.000€, Bender for free, Subotic for free, Błaszczykowski for 3.000.000€, Lewandowsi for 4.000.000€, somehow talked Bayern into selling them Hummels for 4.000.000€ (after he already showed how amazing he was) and from their youth came Sahin, Großkreutz and Götze.
Best transfer management EVER.
Sry, you are just wrong completly.
Kagawa was 350k, Bender was 1,5M and a RB, Subotic was ~4M and Lewy was 4.75M-
Did that from memory. All close enough except for Subotic, thought his contract ran out.
klopp brought him along from mainz iirc but doesn't matter. the crazy part is that they managed to develop a world class team out of a bunch of mid-tier bundesliga players, 2 guys from poland nobody had ever heard of and some talents without any experience.
their most amazing buy was kagawa. they scouted him in the 2nd japanese league. who the actual fuck sends his scouts to the 2nd japanese league?
On April 25 2013 05:53 WerderBremen wrote: Imo this is quiete unbelievable if you look at thing, years back in season 2007/08 EVERYONE in germany talked like "well we will never be able to compete with the big names (and the big money)" - huuuuge drama. How things have changed so fast.
Yeah, but at least Dortmund's development was completely unforseeable. Their story is pretty incredible if you think about it. They had just recovered from financial problems, were a mid-tier team and had no stars back then. The only thing they had going for them were their amazing fans.
Then they bought Kagawa for 500.000€, Bender for free, Subotic for free, Błaszczykowski for 3.000.000€, Lewandowsi for 4.000.000€, somehow talked Bayern into selling them Hummels for 4.000.000€ (after he already showed how amazing he was) and from their youth came Sahin, Großkreutz and Götze.
Best transfer management EVER.
Sry, you are just wrong completly.
Kagawa was 350k, Bender was 1,5M and a RB, Subotic was ~4M and Lewy was 4.75M-
Did that from memory. All close enough except for Subotic, thought his contract ran out.
klopp brought him along from mainz iirc but doesn't matter. the crazy part is that they managed to develop a world class team out of a bunch of mid-tier bundesliga players, 2 guys from poland nobody had ever heard of and some talents without any experience.
their most amazing buy was kagawa. they scouted him in the 2nd japanese league. who the actual fuck sends his scouts to the 2nd japanese league?
people who cant afford to buy talent in the open market like the big teams do. Dortumnd has my respect because of the way they built their team. They are like the anti-Chelsea of the early Abramovich era.
so who do you think will take it all in the end (im assuming bvb-bayern)? imho bayern are the favorites. sure bvb demolished real tonight but honestly overall it was pretty much a one-man show by lewa, there were many screwups by hummels/subotic. in general there were so many bad passes on both sides i think the score does not mirror the quality of the game to full extent.
on the other hand bayern pretty much defended flawlessly yesterday so id favor them...still close though as their recent clashes werent that decisive at all. what do you guys think?
On April 25 2013 09:04 flexgd wrote: so who do you think will take it all in the end (im assuming bvb-bayern)? imho bayern are the favorites. sure bvb demolished real tonight but honestly overall it was pretty much a one-man show by lewa, there were many screwups by hummels/subotic. in general there were so many bad passes on both sides i think the score does not mirror the quality of the game to full extent.
on the other hand bayern pretty much defended flawlessly yesterday so id favor them...still close though as their recent clashes werent that decisive at all. what do you guys think?
Assuming both go through Bayern would be the slight favorites, let's say 55/45 in their favor. They are more solid at the back, but Dortmund is definately alive in the draw. Dortmund is basically the only team Bayern faced this year which didn't get rolled over in atleast one game.
And the final is just one game everything is possible. But I would say Bayern edges it 2:1.
For the bad passes. It is part of Dortmund's style. They aim for vertical passes as soon as possible, often at a high risk. If they are succesful, they open space for their very good wingers who can then go to the goal themselves or serve Lewandowski, if they lose the ball with such passes, they often make a little tactical foul to stop the opposition.
On April 25 2013 05:53 WerderBremen wrote: Imo this is quiete unbelievable if you look at thing, years back in season 2007/08 EVERYONE in germany talked like "well we will never be able to compete with the big names (and the big money)" - huuuuge drama. How things have changed so fast.
Yeah, but at least Dortmund's development was completely unforseeable. Their story is pretty incredible if you think about it. They had just recovered from financial problems, were a mid-tier team and had no stars back then. The only thing they had going for them were their amazing fans.
Then they bought Kagawa for 500.000€, Bender for free, Subotic for free, Błaszczykowski for 3.000.000€, Lewandowsi for 4.000.000€, somehow talked Bayern into selling them Hummels for 4.000.000€ (after he already showed how amazing he was) and from their youth came Sahin, Großkreutz and Götze.
Best transfer management EVER.
Sry, you are just wrong completly.
Kagawa was 350k, Bender was 1,5M and a RB, Subotic was ~4M and Lewy was 4.75M-
Did that from memory. All close enough except for Subotic, thought his contract ran out.
klopp brought him along from mainz iirc but doesn't matter. the crazy part is that they managed to develop a world class team out of a bunch of mid-tier bundesliga players, 2 guys from poland nobody had ever heard of and some talents without any experience.
their most amazing buy was kagawa. they scouted him in the 2nd japanese league. who the actual fuck sends his scouts to the 2nd japanese league?
Kagawa and Takashi Inui both played in Osaka at the same time and got picked up by a German club. Hiroshi Kiyotake came to Osaka later but got picked up by a German club too. Hulk played in the 2nd Japanese League too but was still in the team when they advanced to the 1st division when Porto bought him. Park Ji-Sung had the same ride as Hulk before he got poached by PSV.
Poaching around for gems in the lesser teams in Japan is nothing new.
I think Bayern would be the clear favourite, but it's still only 1 game though and alot would be one the line, imagine Götze kicking Dortmund to victory and ruining his new club's 3rd CL final in 4 years :D.
Don't count the spanish teams out yet though, I'm sure Real can win 3:0 at home if Dortmund doesn't focus, Barca on the other hand... BYE
On April 25 2013 05:53 WerderBremen wrote: Imo this is quiete unbelievable if you look at thing, years back in season 2007/08 EVERYONE in germany talked like "well we will never be able to compete with the big names (and the big money)" - huuuuge drama. How things have changed so fast.
Yeah, but at least Dortmund's development was completely unforseeable. Their story is pretty incredible if you think about it. They had just recovered from financial problems, were a mid-tier team and had no stars back then. The only thing they had going for them were their amazing fans.
Then they bought Kagawa for 500.000€, Bender for free, Subotic for free, Błaszczykowski for 3.000.000€, Lewandowsi for 4.000.000€, somehow talked Bayern into selling them Hummels for 4.000.000€ (after he already showed how amazing he was) and from their youth came Sahin, Großkreutz and Götze.
Best transfer management EVER.
Sry, you are just wrong completly.
Kagawa was 350k, Bender was 1,5M and a RB, Subotic was ~4M and Lewy was 4.75M-
Did that from memory. All close enough except for Subotic, thought his contract ran out.
klopp brought him along from mainz iirc but doesn't matter. the crazy part is that they managed to develop a world class team out of a bunch of mid-tier bundesliga players, 2 guys from poland nobody had ever heard of and some talents without any experience.
their most amazing buy was kagawa. they scouted him in the 2nd japanese league. who the actual fuck sends his scouts to the 2nd japanese league?
Kagawa and Takashi Inui both played in Osaka at the same time and got picked up by a German club. Hiroshi Kiyotake came to Osaka later but got picked up by a German club too. Hulk played in the 2nd Japanese League too but was still in the team when they advanced to the 1st division when Porto bought him. Park Ji-Sung had the same ride as Hulk before he got poached by PSV.
Poaching around for gems in the lesser teams in Japan is nothing new.
Japan is full of raw talents, I am happy the Bundesliga decided to pay more attention to Japanese players. They are especially good with crosses and free kicks
On April 25 2013 05:53 WerderBremen wrote: Imo this is quiete unbelievable if you look at thing, years back in season 2007/08 EVERYONE in germany talked like "well we will never be able to compete with the big names (and the big money)" - huuuuge drama. How things have changed so fast.
Yeah, but at least Dortmund's development was completely unforseeable. Their story is pretty incredible if you think about it. They had just recovered from financial problems, were a mid-tier team and had no stars back then. The only thing they had going for them were their amazing fans.
Then they bought Kagawa for 500.000€, Bender for free, Subotic for free, Błaszczykowski for 3.000.000€, Lewandowsi for 4.000.000€, somehow talked Bayern into selling them Hummels for 4.000.000€ (after he already showed how amazing he was) and from their youth came Sahin, Großkreutz and Götze.
Best transfer management EVER.
Sry, you are just wrong completly.
Kagawa was 350k, Bender was 1,5M and a RB, Subotic was ~4M and Lewy was 4.75M-
Did that from memory. All close enough except for Subotic, thought his contract ran out.
klopp brought him along from mainz iirc but doesn't matter. the crazy part is that they managed to develop a world class team out of a bunch of mid-tier bundesliga players, 2 guys from poland nobody had ever heard of and some talents without any experience.
their most amazing buy was kagawa. they scouted him in the 2nd japanese league. who the actual fuck sends his scouts to the 2nd japanese league?
Kagawa and Takashi Inui both played in Osaka at the same time and got picked up by a German club. Hiroshi Kiyotake came to Osaka later but got picked up by a German club too. Hulk played in the 2nd Japanese League too but was still in the team when they advanced to the 1st division when Porto bought him. Park Ji-Sung had the same ride as Hulk before he got poached by PSV.
Poaching around for gems in the lesser teams in Japan is nothing new.
Japan is full of raw talents, I am happy the Bundesliga decided to pay more attention to Japanese players. They are especially good with crosses and free kicks
Yes. Look at this highlight video of Kagawa and Inui's teamplay and ask yourself why you would NOT have scouts there?
On April 25 2013 05:53 WerderBremen wrote: Imo this is quiete unbelievable if you look at thing, years back in season 2007/08 EVERYONE in germany talked like "well we will never be able to compete with the big names (and the big money)" - huuuuge drama. How things have changed so fast.
Yeah, but at least Dortmund's development was completely unforseeable. Their story is pretty incredible if you think about it. They had just recovered from financial problems, were a mid-tier team and had no stars back then. The only thing they had going for them were their amazing fans.
Then they bought Kagawa for 500.000€, Bender for free, Subotic for free, Błaszczykowski for 3.000.000€, Lewandowsi for 4.000.000€, somehow talked Bayern into selling them Hummels for 4.000.000€ (after he already showed how amazing he was) and from their youth came Sahin, Großkreutz and Götze.
Best transfer management EVER.
Sry, you are just wrong completly.
Kagawa was 350k, Bender was 1,5M and a RB, Subotic was ~4M and Lewy was 4.75M-
Did that from memory. All close enough except for Subotic, thought his contract ran out.
klopp brought him along from mainz iirc but doesn't matter. the crazy part is that they managed to develop a world class team out of a bunch of mid-tier bundesliga players, 2 guys from poland nobody had ever heard of and some talents without any experience.
their most amazing buy was kagawa. they scouted him in the 2nd japanese league. who the actual fuck sends his scouts to the 2nd japanese league?
Kagawa was also offered to Real Madrid and Barcelona by his agent for trial but I think they didn't accept. Pretty sure I saw the news going around before he singed for Borussia unless it was just rumours.
On April 25 2013 05:53 WerderBremen wrote: Imo this is quiete unbelievable if you look at thing, years back in season 2007/08 EVERYONE in germany talked like "well we will never be able to compete with the big names (and the big money)" - huuuuge drama. How things have changed so fast.
Yeah, but at least Dortmund's development was completely unforseeable. Their story is pretty incredible if you think about it. They had just recovered from financial problems, were a mid-tier team and had no stars back then. The only thing they had going for them were their amazing fans.
Then they bought Kagawa for 500.000€, Bender for free, Subotic for free, Błaszczykowski for 3.000.000€, Lewandowsi for 4.000.000€, somehow talked Bayern into selling them Hummels for 4.000.000€ (after he already showed how amazing he was) and from their youth came Sahin, Großkreutz and Götze.
Best transfer management EVER.
Sry, you are just wrong completly.
Kagawa was 350k, Bender was 1,5M and a RB, Subotic was ~4M and Lewy was 4.75M-
Did that from memory. All close enough except for Subotic, thought his contract ran out.
klopp brought him along from mainz iirc but doesn't matter. the crazy part is that they managed to develop a world class team out of a bunch of mid-tier bundesliga players, 2 guys from poland nobody had ever heard of and some talents without any experience.
their most amazing buy was kagawa. they scouted him in the 2nd japanese league. who the actual fuck sends his scouts to the 2nd japanese league?
Kagawa and Takashi Inui both played in Osaka at the same time and got picked up by a German club. Hiroshi Kiyotake came to Osaka later but got picked up by a German club too. Hulk played in the 2nd Japanese League too but was still in the team when they advanced to the 1st division when Porto bought him. Park Ji-Sung had the same ride as Hulk before he got poached by PSV.
Poaching around for gems in the lesser teams in Japan is nothing new.
Japan is full of raw talents, I am happy the Bundesliga decided to pay more attention to Japanese players. They are especially good with crosses and free kicks
true... and japanese players are almost always humble, easy to integrate and have a great work ethic. compare that to, for example, many brazilian talents that often times struggle hard to adopt to the climate and the discipline required in europe.
Fraaak I missed the game I predicted 3-1 for RM, I've never been that glad to be wrong :D I honestly thought that Dortmund would have the psychological drawbacks of winning against Malaga like they did, but it didn't happen. However it's not so much of a surprise to see RM fail again in CL. They have not had any gameplan for 3 years and it's hurting when you are at the top level. They've been saying 'La Decima, La Decima' (the 10th CL for RM) all year long and they couldn't achieve their only goal this year. This is probably like Barcelona (I have not seen the game yet), a mix of psychological and physical failure and a bad tactical preparation... So what will Mourinho be considered like in Madrid? A total failure? Half a failure? Like I said in a post weeks ago, la Liga 2011-2012 won't be enough to justify the means he employed during his 3 years there... Ancelotti seems to be on his way to be the next manager and I'm sure he will be at least as good as what Mourinho was (in term of result), less the bad parts (players that don't like him, media communication, sportsmanship, etc...).
Concerning the winners, I'm really thrilled to see BVB do these kind of games at this level. When you see team play really nice in the groupstage it's always good, but they often tend to fail and sometimes break with their playstyle in the higher spheres, but BVB is just the opposite. They shine against the big teams! Although I'm not really a german football fan in general (I'm french, don't ask me too much yo), I'm also glad to see this kind of 'football total' trend coming back with teams like Bayern and BVB. Barcelona/Spain were probably the inspiration for the german teams to evolve and give more space to football 'technique', but Bayern/BVB added their own ingredients which is the physical domination and they proved that you can do pressing for 90mn even against the biggest teams in the world. Bayern probably felt the fatigue for 10-20mn against Barcelona in the 2nd half, but their 3rd goal just put them right back in it, and they kept pressing until the end.
Now winning is the first step. To keep winning is a lot harder and both team are going to play against teams that will be expecting them, which was 'just a bit' the case this year. AND they will have some internal barriers with the loss of key players for Dortmund (Gotze, Lewandowski?, Hummels?, Gundogan?), and the change of manager for Bayern, and probably a period of adaptation to the tactical changes (if Pep does any).
The 2nd leg is going to be fun to watch but not really interesting. Barcelona will probably give everything, but if they concede one goal, and they will, then it's going to be over. Even if they don't concede, 4 goals to Bayern seems impossible as of today... Madrid has no chance either, I don't see them scoring 3 and not concede any. I don't even see them scoring 3 without gameplan. The only miracle that could happen would be for them to score a goal very early, a second before 20mn and then Dortmund will start to be scared (or will they? they've shown just the opposite until now).
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