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On May 01 2012 00:01 CluEleSs_UK wrote:
I'm in the same boat as OP here. I was a smoker of around ~5 a day, so by no means heavy. As I started training for the 400m, I quit (2 weeks or so without a cigarette here), but I miss smoking, not because I'm addicted (I have nicotine replacement), but because I love the taste and the act of smoking.
I've tried e-cigarettes, but they don't taste the same at all.
Has anybody tried "American Spirit" cigarettes? they contain no additives, but I can't find any studies into whether they do as much damage to your lungs. I guess ultimately, I'm looking for a way to smoke without affecting my running. Any ideas?
pretty sure they damage your lunges in the same way as normal cigarettes if you inhale the smoke, because no additives is pretty much the same as a Cigar or Cigarillo which is 100% natural tobacco
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On March 04 2012 06:39 solidbebe wrote:
How can you ever smoke responsibly? This doesn't make sense at all. Smoking cigarettes no matter how little you do it, is always bad, so how is it responsible?
OK questions like this are a little silly. I'm a smoker and smoke way too much, one pack in two days. I do healthy stuff like eating right and SS to offset it somewhat but I know it's a problem.
But if you seriously thing a ciggie once in a great while is going to harm you a lot, I would say you're mistaken. You risk yourself every day when you exercise, drink to excess, cross the road, go into a pool, drive, eat fried foods or even just stress yourself a lot.
You just need to find what an acceptable risk level is. I'm pretty sure a ciggie a day is safe. Even not counting the regeneration and looking solely at the 11 mins per ciggie figure, if you smoked every day for 20 years that would be 7300 ciggies. With a bit of math that comes to you reducing your life span by a grand total of *drumroll*
Fifty Five hours. If your natural lifespan would take you to the evening of 2050 Jan 5th, you'll die somewhere on Jan 3rd morning, having enjoyed a lifetime of social smoking.
For myself, who smokes 10 a day, the figure would be 550 hours or 23 days (I know beyond a critical mass it might get exponential). That's a little scary but, in the grand scheme of things, its less than a month. I know if someone told me I'd live for another SIX months if I gave up videogames for life I'd be like...eh, screw it. 6 more months as a hopefully old man, vs a lifetime of enjoying videogames?
Anyhow the analogy is silly but you know what I mean. What would you give up for what you enjoy? The only way to be perfectly safe is to live in a bubble, never going out, never travelling, never driving etc. We decide every day what "acceptable" risk means to us, and it has to be an equation that considers how much you enjoy thing X and how risky thing X is compared to other risks you DO take every day, out of necessity or choice.
If you can quit, quit. If you can't, don't listen to people who say extremely counterproductive things like "What does it MATTER if you're smoking two cigs a day or two packs a day? You're a SMOKER!!!!"
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On May 01 2012 06:14 Autofire2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 06:39 solidbebe wrote:
How can you ever smoke responsibly? This doesn't make sense at all. Smoking cigarettes no matter how little you do it, is always bad, so how is it responsible? OK questions like this are a little silly. I'm a smoker and smoke way too much, one pack in two days. I do healthy stuff like eating right and SS to offset it somewhat but I know it's a problem. But if you seriously thing a ciggie once in a great while is going to harm you a lot, I would say you're mistaken. You risk yourself every day when you exercise, drink to excess, cross the road, go into a pool, drive, eat fried foods or even just stress yourself a lot. You just need to find what an acceptable risk level is. I'm pretty sure a ciggie a day is safe. Even not counting the regeneration and looking solely at the 11 mins per ciggie figure, if you smoked every day for 20 years that would be 7300 ciggies. With a bit of math that comes to you reducing your life span by a grand total of *drumroll* Fifty Five hours. If your natural lifespan would take you to the evening of 2050 Jan 5th, you'll die somewhere on Jan 3rd morning, having enjoyed a lifetime of social smoking. For myself, who smokes 10 a day, the figure would be 550 hours or 23 days (I know beyond a critical mass it might get exponential). That's a little scary but, in the grand scheme of things, its less than a month. I know if someone told me I'd live for another SIX months if I gave up videogames for life I'd be like...eh, screw it. 6 more months as a hopefully old man, vs a lifetime of enjoying videogames? Anyhow the analogy is silly but you know what I mean. What would you give up for what you enjoy? The only way to be perfectly safe is to live in a bubble, never going out, never travelling, never driving etc. We decide every day what "acceptable" risk means to us, and it has to be an equation that considers how much you enjoy thing X and how risky thing X is compared to other risks you DO take every day, out of necessity or choice. If you can quit, quit. If you can't, don't listen to people who say extremely counterproductive things like "What does it MATTER if you're smoking two cigs a day or two packs a day? You're a SMOKER!!!!"
It's just another haters gonna hate matter. The saddest thing is that every smoking-related thread on the internet is the exact same. We can never have decent conversations on the topics that matter to smokers, because the thread fills up with typical "smoking is stupid" or "let's take apart inaccuracies in your post to make smoking sound worse" posts that are totally OT.
For smokers looking decent advice on sustainability, there's nothing but anecdotes to go by.
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yeah, god i would love some hard info on this. i really enjoy being social and smoking, but i dont do it regularly. the top problems to be would be addiction, followed by lung issues. assuming i quit before im addicted and smoking a pack a day for 20 years, i'm willing to take my chances.
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My advice for anyone dealing with nicotine dependence or addiction would be to force yourself to quit for a week or two...not matter how hard it is. It will then become easier to develop the habit of not doing it...focus on feeling grateful for the healthy benefits you enjoy from not doing it...breathing deeply, higher oxygen saturation, healthier perfusion and heart function, etc....
That being said, the occasional indulgence likely won't be too detrimental. I stress the term "occasionally"... honestly, who knows where the line is for any individual when it comes to cigarettes...I guess it comes down to whether you feel that your habit is affecting your health when you look at it objectively and honestly...And also whether you have the self-control to indulge with restraint.
If deep down you know it is affecting you then perhaps you should cut-back...if you don't have the self-restraint to do that then perhaps quitting altogether is your best option...addiction is a funny thing to witness in yourself
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On May 01 2012 06:14 Autofire2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 06:39 solidbebe wrote:
How can you ever smoke responsibly? This doesn't make sense at all. Smoking cigarettes no matter how little you do it, is always bad, so how is it responsible? OK questions like this are a little silly. I'm a smoker and smoke way too much, one pack in two days. I do healthy stuff like eating right and SS to offset it somewhat but I know it's a problem. But if you seriously thing a ciggie once in a great while is going to harm you a lot, I would say you're mistaken. You risk yourself every day when you exercise, drink to excess, cross the road, go into a pool, drive, eat fried foods or even just stress yourself a lot. You just need to find what an acceptable risk level is. I'm pretty sure a ciggie a day is safe. Even not counting the regeneration and looking solely at the 11 mins per ciggie figure, if you smoked every day for 20 years that would be 7300 ciggies. With a bit of math that comes to you reducing your life span by a grand total of *drumroll* Fifty Five hours. If your natural lifespan would take you to the evening of 2050 Jan 5th, you'll die somewhere on Jan 3rd morning, having enjoyed a lifetime of social smoking. For myself, who smokes 10 a day, the figure would be 550 hours or 23 days (I know beyond a critical mass it might get exponential). That's a little scary but, in the grand scheme of things, its less than a month. I know if someone told me I'd live for another SIX months if I gave up videogames for life I'd be like...eh, screw it. 6 more months as a hopefully old man, vs a lifetime of enjoying videogames? Anyhow the analogy is silly but you know what I mean. What would you give up for what you enjoy? The only way to be perfectly safe is to live in a bubble, never going out, never travelling, never driving etc. We decide every day what "acceptable" risk means to us, and it has to be an equation that considers how much you enjoy thing X and how risky thing X is compared to other risks you DO take every day, out of necessity or choice. If you can quit, quit. If you can't, don't listen to people who say extremely counterproductive things like "What does it MATTER if you're smoking two cigs a day or two packs a day? You're a SMOKER!!!!"
Maths not your strong suite? It's 55 days and 550 days.
(Yeah it's a late reply but that's some serious miscalculation on a serious subject)
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The only reason you don't want to quit entirely is because of this thing called beta-endorphin. If you want to live the rest of your life being the slave to a chemical, be my guest.
There's no safe way to play around with nicotine, don't try; you can't defy biology.
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Smoking like this isn't ever sustainable. It isn't even worth trying to do. Nicotine is far to risky and addictive to be playing around with. Please take it from a smoker of 10+ years.
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On May 14 2012 13:46 Sacrieur wrote:
The only reason you don't want to quit entirely is because of this thing called beta-endorphin. If you want to live the rest of your life being the slave to a chemical, be my guest.
There's no safe way to play around with nicotine, don't try; you can't defy biology.
The only reason you want to have sex is because of this thing called hormones. If you want to live the rest of your life being the slave to a chemical, be my guest.
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On May 15 2012 03:20 DhakhaR wrote:
The only reason you want to have sex is because of this thing called hormones. If you want to live the rest of your life being the slave to a chemical, be my guest.
Well actually no, that's not quite correct. Libido isn't soley drived by the secretion of testosterone.
But hey aren't you clever, equating nicotine addiction to sexual reproduction. Well, I better go masurbate before I start experiencing withdrawal symptoms.
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On May 15 2012 18:30 Sacrieur wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2012 03:20 DhakhaR wrote:
The only reason you want to have sex is because of this thing called hormones. If you want to live the rest of your life being the slave to a chemical, be my guest. Well actually no, that's not quite correct. Libido isn't soley drived by the secretion of testosterone. But hey aren't you clever, equating nicotine addiction to sexual reproduction. Well, I better go masurbate before I start experiencing withdrawal symptoms.
Aren't you clever believe that people can't enjoy smoking for the taste. I'm guessing you've never been a smoker. Moreover, it takes 6months+ to become physiologically addicted to nicotine, so why would people smoke before that? BECAUSE IT'S ENJOYABLE.
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How can smoking be enjoyable? I'm ignorant.
As far as I can see, it makes you smell, costs you money, makes your breath smell, damages your lungs, damages your taste buds, damages your throat, makes those around you smell like you (a homeless person) and generally makes you a weaker person physically.
I'll let them smoke, dont think ill join 'em. I rather like not having to pay to smell like a hobo.
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On May 15 2012 18:59 CluEleSs_UK wrote:
Aren't you clever believe that people can't enjoy smoking for the taste. I'm guessing you've never been a smoker. Moreover, it takes 6months+ to become physiologically addicted to nicotine, so why would people smoke before that? BECAUSE IT'S ENJOYABLE.
Personal attacks may have won you a master debater award in high school, but it won't work here.
I am intrigued as to where you heard it takes at least six months to develop an addiction. I don't think we read the same medical textbook.
The psychoactive effects of nicotine take only a handful of seconds to begin.
And as for people smoking because it just tastes great. Well, you can say I'm skeptical. Sounds like the kind of thing that should be tested empirically before we make any claims about it.
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^ He's right. It takes only one cigarette to basically become mentally addicted, i.e. willing to experience the high you get from smoking again (and again..). Physical withdrawal symptoms develop much slower though and amplify over time.
All this doesn't mean you'll become "a slave" instantly but I wouldn't risk it. Some people can do casual smoking, others became seriously addicted and ruin their lives.
edit. as for the OP, nothing to ad really but I doubt that smoking can eve be truly safe or sustainable (btw I'm a casual smoker too and I like it).
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I doubt that anyone will get that after a cigarette.
I've been a very casual smoker - I call it a drunk smoker - for the past 5 or so (I'm 21, if anyone cares) and I have never had a craving for a cigarette.
I just smoke when I'm out with some of my buddies that do and I don't want to stand around inside.
And - you can say whatever you want, this is true - Smoking makes you look cool. It just does.
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On May 15 2012 23:03 Zoesan wrote:
I doubt that anyone will get that after a cigarette.
I've been a very casual smoker - I call it a drunk smoker - for the past 5 or so (I'm 21, if anyone cares) and I have never had a craving for a cigarette.
I just smoke when I'm out with some of my buddies that do and I don't want to stand around inside.
And - you can say whatever you want, this is true - Smoking makes you look cool. It just does.
true dat, i smoke sometimes when i drink, other than that i smoke cigars (maybe 2-3 times a year)
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i dont smoke cigarettes but that buzz i get from cigarillos is pretty niiiiiice
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On May 15 2012 23:03 Zoesan wrote:
I doubt that anyone will get that after a cigarette.
I've been a very casual smoker - I call it a drunk smoker - for the past 5 or so (I'm 21, if anyone cares) and I have never had a craving for a cigarette.
I just smoke when I'm out with some of my buddies that do and I don't want to stand around inside.
And - you can say whatever you want, this is true - Smoking makes you look cool. It just does.
Do you really think you look cool to a non-smoker? I do not smoke and I do not see anything cool when I see someone smoking.
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