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phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-15 02:15:50
June 15 2012 01:59 GMT
#4581
Experimented with the mechanics of my deadlift today. Been working from a very low starting hip position - almost the bottom of a squat, and my "weak link" for months has been the first 3 inches of the lift - anything I can pick up, I can lock out. Tried a higher hip position today, and it was AMAZING how much easier the lift was, as far as the stress on the low back, and the required core strength. I think my hamstrings are perhaps very strong, proportionally, but I wasn't engaging them well in the lift. I know I wasn't (and probably still am not) engaging my glutes; I'm bad at that in EVERY lift they're involved in. Either way, my "weak point" immediately disappeared, and the weight soared from the ground. Grip is the new weak point, so I'm going to reset 10% and work on this new set up, and also get used to using mixed grip. Probably do some higher rep days as well. I have liquid chalk coming in the mail already - ordered it on monday, should be in any time.

I've been reading up a lot too, and I think one of the big weaknesses in my squat is that I don't control the descent. It stays nice and smooth the whole way down, but I don't try to act against it at all. From my reading, that results in a loss of tightness, puts a lot of stress on the low back, and makes you activate your hamstrings and glutes at the least optimal point for them, the bottom of the lift. Supposedly I should be able to add a good amount of weight if I stay tight the whole way down (as well as "man the fuck up and don't be afraid of the bar" - but I knew that one already).

Still looking at weightlifting shoes and belts. Just been reading a ton of reviews on shoes... looks like Romaleos are a no, because Ih ave a narrow foot and they're over my budget. I know a guy who has adidas power perfect II, and a guy who has the adistars, so I'll talk to them next time I see them at the gym. As far as everything besides the nikes though... it all seems very up in the air. Saw some 4" leather belts today with the scooped out front where the buckle is, and I realized why the problem with that model... they just don't feel like they cover "enough" to really give support. I wonder if a 6" belt would start to get in the way of motion, but they were out of stock in those, so I didn't get to try one on.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20158 Posts
June 15 2012 04:15 GMT
#4582
Between breakfast and dinner i'm eating about ~2k calories pure paleo. I'll usually binge a bit on lunch since it has to last me ~8 hours and get fried chicken or a chipotle burito or something similar. But thats literally all i eat, i imagine i'll lose ~6 pounds of fat by the time summer is over. Already seeing a bit of improvement in bf with weights only going up.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Jupiter
Profile Joined November 2009
Australia73 Posts
June 15 2012 04:37 GMT
#4583


That powelifter everyone was quoting last page is Kutcher Oleksandr. One of my favourite powerlifters

I love his intensity.

Although I think people should be aware if they want to look like him (which i can totally understand he looks great. His back is phenominal) that he took steroids. Obtaining his physique naturally would be difficult.
mum says I cant play games against Zerg
Seth_
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Belgium184 Posts
June 15 2012 05:56 GMT
#4584
I squatted, benched and DL'ed wednesday. My back muscles feel fine, no DOMS, no pain etc but my muscles hurt when I push them, like when I'm relaxed and would be getting a massage. It's all over my central back, from below the neck to SI joints.

Is this just my body building a lot of muscles? It doesn't feel like regular DOMS cause I can tense them up without problems and it doesn't really hurt so I don't think it's an injury.

also, new Squat and DL PR, 3 x 5 x 75 kg; 5 x 92.5 kg
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
June 15 2012 09:18 GMT
#4585
@phyre: PT actually told me to start higher up as well and I noticed the same difference.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4735 Posts
June 15 2012 09:35 GMT
#4586
On June 15 2012 10:59 phyre112 wrote:
Still looking at weightlifting shoes and belts. Just been reading a ton of reviews on shoes... looks like Romaleos are a no, because Ih ave a narrow foot and they're over my budget. I know a guy who has adidas power perfect II, and a guy who has the adistars, so I'll talk to them next time I see them at the gym. As far as everything besides the nikes though... it all seems very up in the air. Saw some 4" leather belts today with the scooped out front where the buckle is, and I realized why the problem with that model... they just don't feel like they cover "enough" to really give support. I wonder if a 6" belt would start to get in the way of motion, but they were out of stock in those, so I didn't get to try one on.


I have the Adidas Power Perfect II and they are fine, but I never had any to compare them to. Regardless, I have used them for a year or so, and so far there is no scratch on them, and they are comfortable. Though since they are mostly white-coloured, they obviously get a little bit dirty. But last time I checked you are not a girl, so whatever.
I have seen plenty of lifters at the Euros 2012 with those shoes, so they are definitely a quality product, and not some overprized scam to get 18y'olds money. Besides, Adidas is basically THE brand in weightlifting, like 80-90% of the professional lifters lift in adidas jerseys and shoes. so you can not really go wrong with adidas.
I believe the main difference between adistars and power perfect II is that the adistars have a wooden sole.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-15 11:19:56
June 15 2012 11:06 GMT
#4587
pretty good workout today! only got like 6 hours of sleep last night so I was not very confident going into it, but I channeled the inner decaf and things went pretty well!

started with power cleans:
92.5kg five sets of three (PR)

went on to do stiff legged deadlifts. a buddy was doing the same and we tried to always get one rep more than the other so it went like this

he started with 135kgx6
I went 135x7
so he got 135x8 and then I did 135x9 sadly for me he actually did 135x10 and I was too tired to go again so I guess he won

then for some reason I decided to finish off with squats
60x5
100x1
120x1
140x1
150x1 (PR)

now I'm completely wrecked! gonna lie down and maybe take a hot bath to relax my poor poor legs ^^

stay strong TL H&F!!
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
June 15 2012 13:09 GMT
#4588
I don't have a power rack for squats or have anyone spotting me all the time. Since I'm just doing it as a good core routine and not looking to maximize, could I just stick with front squats? Not paying for gym membership as I have a bench and plenty of free weights at home.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
June 15 2012 14:34 GMT
#4589
On June 15 2012 22:09 Disregard wrote:
I don't have a power rack for squats or have anyone spotting me all the time. Since I'm just doing it as a good core routine and not looking to maximize, could I just stick with front squats? Not paying for gym membership as I have a bench and plenty of free weights at home.

Personally I feel front squats are more unsafe. Can't really dump the bar unless you want it in your lap.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
June 15 2012 15:33 GMT
#4590
3.25 mile run on the beach, good workout xD made it in 30 min so not too shabby. yay vacation!
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4735 Posts
June 15 2012 16:32 GMT
#4591
On June 15 2012 22:09 Disregard wrote:
I don't have a power rack for squats or have anyone spotting me all the time. Since I'm just doing it as a good core routine and not looking to maximize, could I just stick with front squats? Not paying for gym membership as I have a bench and plenty of free weights at home.


Front Squats are fine. And for the safety reasons as mentioned above, they are normally considered more safe than Back Squats, you can just dump the bar in front of you, nothing should ever happen.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
June 15 2012 17:21 GMT
#4592
On June 15 2012 23:34 Osmoses wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 22:09 Disregard wrote:
I don't have a power rack for squats or have anyone spotting me all the time. Since I'm just doing it as a good core routine and not looking to maximize, could I just stick with front squats? Not paying for gym membership as I have a bench and plenty of free weights at home.

Personally I feel front squats are more unsafe. Can't really dump the bar unless you want it in your lap.


Huh? FS way safer than back squat. Much easier to maintain proper form, too.
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Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
June 15 2012 19:52 GMT
#4593
Proper form, agreed, but when I'm at the bottom I feel I can't dump the bar or it will fall right on my knees.

[image loading]

Amirite?
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
June 15 2012 20:05 GMT
#4594
On June 16 2012 02:21 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 23:34 Osmoses wrote:
On June 15 2012 22:09 Disregard wrote:
I don't have a power rack for squats or have anyone spotting me all the time. Since I'm just doing it as a good core routine and not looking to maximize, could I just stick with front squats? Not paying for gym membership as I have a bench and plenty of free weights at home.

Personally I feel front squats are more unsafe. Can't really dump the bar unless you want it in your lap.


Huh? FS way safer than back squat. Much easier to maintain proper form, too.


Are you seriuos?

It's pretty fucking difficult to maintian proper form when front Squatting heavy weights, Believe me I know, I usually front squat 2+ times a week. and It's fucking hell.

Back Squat is a much easier excercise. If you don't agree, you don't, But I'm talking from my perspective, and yes, it is indeed pretty FUCKING HARD.
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
June 15 2012 20:07 GMT
#4595
On June 15 2012 20:06 Zafrumi wrote:
pretty good workout today! only got like 6 hours of sleep last night so I was not very confident going into it, but I channeled the inner decaf and things went pretty well!

started with power cleans:
92.5kg five sets of three (PR)

went on to do stiff legged deadlifts. a buddy was doing the same and we tried to always get one rep more than the other so it went like this

he started with 135kgx6
I went 135x7
so he got 135x8 and then I did 135x9 sadly for me he actually did 135x10 and I was too tired to go again so I guess he won

then for some reason I decided to finish off with squats
60x5
100x1
120x1
140x1
150x1 (PR)

now I'm completely wrecked! gonna lie down and maybe take a hot bath to relax my poor poor legs ^^

stay strong TL H&F!!



Congrats on the PR!

I'm on 155kg 3 x 5 PR .

Suck that yo.<3

Channeling your inner decaf always works.
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
Donkeys
Profile Joined August 2010
Mexico308 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-15 20:25:19
June 15 2012 20:24 GMT
#4596
Just finished week 4 of madcow today. Gonna start hitting new PRs next week. Also, I decided to do cleans today and got a 90kg PR for two singles (previous PR was 85kg - a long time ago). Felt easy kinda, I'm sure i have 95-100kg in me. Damn funkie and your sick 3x5 progression haha GJ
http://www.belowtherimyo.blogspot.com/
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
June 15 2012 22:42 GMT
#4597
Evidently the #2 superheavyweight weight lifter in the country trains at local olympic gym in industrial space. Got invited to go to manly olympic gym once I"m rehabed, but won't be able to.
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
June 15 2012 22:58 GMT
#4598
On June 16 2012 05:05 funkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2012 02:21 Risen wrote:
On June 15 2012 23:34 Osmoses wrote:
On June 15 2012 22:09 Disregard wrote:
I don't have a power rack for squats or have anyone spotting me all the time. Since I'm just doing it as a good core routine and not looking to maximize, could I just stick with front squats? Not paying for gym membership as I have a bench and plenty of free weights at home.

Personally I feel front squats are more unsafe. Can't really dump the bar unless you want it in your lap.


Huh? FS way safer than back squat. Much easier to maintain proper form, too.


Are you seriuos?

It's pretty fucking difficult to maintian proper form when front Squatting heavy weights, Believe me I know, I usually front squat 2+ times a week. and It's fucking hell.

Back Squat is a much easier excercise. If you don't agree, you don't, But I'm talking from my perspective, and yes, it is indeed pretty FUCKING HARD.


Yeah, keeping proper form is a hell of a lot harder in the front squat, with those beefy posterior muscles not contributing half of what they could. It just doesn't feel "balanced" - you're fighting it the whole time, much more so than while back squatting.

Also, @osmoses the problem with the illustration you gave is that when you ditch a front squat, you also straighten out your knees and pop your hips back. Your shoulders would stay at essentially the same point (maybe a little forward), but roll forward, and the bar would drop to the ground. Your legs having been straightened, and your hips being back, the bar would fall right to the ground.
lyAsakura
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1414 Posts
June 15 2012 23:03 GMT
#4599
On June 16 2012 04:52 Osmoses wrote:
Proper form, agreed, but when I'm at the bottom I feel I can't dump the bar or it will fall right on my knees.

[image loading]

Amirite?


Well what should happen is that when you dump it, when your elbows drop to drop the weight, your knees should go backwards just to keep balance.
WeMade FOX would be a deadly SC2 team.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
June 15 2012 23:55 GMT
#4600
Decided my light press days would start with a clean before it, just because I can. They were a lot easier than expected, I was kinda scared at first lol.

C&P 55kgx3x5, Incline BP 77.5kgx4x6, DB shoulder raise 10kgx8x5
Back: Suitcase Deadlift 45kgx4x4, pull ups 5x7, Hise Shrugs 110kgx20x2, Dimel deadlift 60kgx20x2, 15x1

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