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184 x 12??? You're fuckin crazy man :D
Todays lifting after 5 days off and 3 days of heavy drinking T_T
Snatch up to 225lb, feel like shit so i drop back down to 135, snatch back up to 255, couple misses at 265
CJ up to 305 goes pretty smooth, focusing a lot on my technique. 305 was super easy so i went for a 5lb pr at 335. Pulled it decently a couple times but just wasn't gonna happen.
Think i'm going to start doing
A - BS to max + back off triples -> CJ to max -> clean pull to max
B - FS to max + back off triples -> snatch to max -> snatch pull to max
alternating between them for 4-5 workouts a week.
Noticed a couple things in my lifts, coming off heels a bit early and can do a better job getting under and receiving the bar.
If i feel good on friday i'm gonna max my DL though :D
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I would back off on the lifts too to get some more volume in, maybe drop off like 15% and work up to another max.
Also try instead of going to a max on pulls, just do sets of like 3x2 or 3x3 or something at around 105-110% clean/snatch max. Anything over that is too slow and has less carryover.
Also unless you pull is bad, why do pulls? Why not work on trouble areas, like if your pull under is slow, do lifts from hang or something. I guess pulls can help coming off heels early.
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Hi TL Health n Fitness, I wanted to ask a question about heart pain after cardio exercise. I've been runnning at increasing levels of intensity over the past few weeks, about 3-4 times a week of +- 10km at a time. My last run was the most intense yet, and I found my heart kinda hurt the day after. Not debilitating, but a bit like a stiff muscle. It's better today. Does anyone else who does cardio experience this?
Edit: Maybe I should have posted in the running thread. My bad.
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I can't for the life of me figure out what the hell is wrong with my DL.
despite cutting for the past few months, dropping down from 168lbs to 154lbs, I've been making some serious progress on my lifts, and especially my squats (went from 320lbs for a triple to 342 for a triple), but my deadlift numbers pretty much plummeted from 330lbs for a triple to 310 for a single.
I'm a fairly small guy, being 5'6", so DLing should be my forté, but for some odd reason I suck at them terribly.
/rant
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On June 12 2012 07:18 Osmoses wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 06:38 Deadeight wrote:On June 12 2012 05:48 Osmoses wrote:Just watched sweden vs ukraine. So bummed  By the sounds of it there are a lot of Ukrainians feeling worse because their countrymen made themselves look like massive racists. wat
Not had this on the news there? It's the only thing that's been on the news here for the last two weeks or so, I'm pretty bored of it. Some stuff about Nazi salutes and monkey chants when the black players were training, and some fans from India got attacked for being Indian, bunch of other stuff. It's on video and the Ukranian ambassador is just saying it never happened.
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On June 12 2012 21:01 Deadeight wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 07:18 Osmoses wrote:On June 12 2012 06:38 Deadeight wrote:On June 12 2012 05:48 Osmoses wrote:Just watched sweden vs ukraine. So bummed By the sounds of it there are a lot of Ukrainians feeling worse because their countrymen made themselves look like massive racists. wat Not had this on the news there? It's the only thing that's been on the news here for the last two weeks or so, I'm pretty bored of it. Some stuff about Nazi salutes and monkey chants when the black players were training, and some fans from India got attacked for being Indian, bunch of other stuff. It's on video and the Ukranian ambassador is just saying it never happened.
Oh. I don't watch TV or read newspapers 
I get my news from TL... And it has once again come through for me!
Anyway, can't blame a whole country for a couple of bigots. We got nazis in sweden too.
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On June 12 2012 15:09 lyAsakura wrote:
I would back off on the lifts too to get some more volume in, maybe drop off like 15% and work up to another max.
Also try instead of going to a max on pulls, just do sets of like 3x2 or 3x3 or something at around 105-110% clean/snatch max. Anything over that is too slow and has less carryover.
Also unless you pull is bad, why do pulls? Why not work on trouble areas, like if your pull under is slow, do lifts from hang or something. I guess pulls can help coming off heels early.
Yeah I want to work on my bar path through the pull making sure I'm keeping it close. I wanna get dat pull strength up too. And yeah I'm a fan of backing off a bit and working back up. And 3x2 at ~115% sounds good for pulls.
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Lift big eat big (best blog on the internet) is looking to sponsor a male and a female oly lifter or strongman... get on that, people. I'd love to see one of you on that blog!
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Could someone please explain to me the difference between a pull-up and a chin-up in terms of muscles used? (eshlow?)
I had thought it was just that a chin up allows you to use your bicep. I had been told in the past that with your palm facing down the two bones in your forearm cross over and it prevents you from fully using your bicep. However looking at the PR leaderboard Dimsum can do 10 chin-ups and 12 pull-ups, so I guess a pull-up must work some stuff a chin-up doesn't.
The reason I ask is because I can do 3x10 chin-ups @bw at the moment, and today I tried pull-ups instead and managed 3x3 and was swinging my body around to manage even that. Will chins still increase my pull-up strength well, or are lat-pull downs a good idea?
Thanks in advance for any info anyone can give.
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On June 13 2012 06:50 Deadeight wrote:
Could someone please explain to me the difference between a pull-up and a chin-up in terms of muscles used? (eshlow?)
I had thought it was just that a chin up allows you to use your bicep. I had been told in the past that with your palm facing down the two bones in your forearm cross over and it prevents you from fully using your bicep. However looking at the PR leaderboard Dimsum can do 10 chin-ups and 12 pull-ups, so I guess a pull-up must work some stuff a chin-up doesn't.
The reason I ask is because I can do 3x10 chin-ups @bw at the moment, and today I tried pull-ups instead and managed 3x3 and was swinging my body around to manage even that. Will chins still increase my pull-up strength well, or are lat-pull downs a good idea?
Thanks in advance for any info anyone can give.
As far as I understand it, pullups and chinups work the same muscles, just in slightly different ratios - a pullup will use your bicep "less" but that doesn't mean it isn't using it. In addition, the pullup grip puts you in a less biomechanically advantageous position to perform the movement, so it takes more raw strength to get a pullup done than it does a chinup, and it takes even more strength to do a wider grip pullup than it does a narrower grip. Dimsum has particularly strong back, and stabilisers around the shoulder from oly lifting, and so it makes sense that he can do as many of one as the other. Eshlow practices, and IIRC (from reading the PR thread) he uses the two names interchangeably most of the time, because to him they are so similar.
As far as what to do to strengthen the pullup.... I'm doing lat-pull downs, after reading the suggestion in a few of Wendler's articles, but I also haven't completely given up on doing chinups. Some days, I do both (and the pull down takes the place of my row) and some days I do one, or the other, followed by a row and a curl (push/pull routine fuck yeah). Try weighting your chinups and see if it helps, and if it doesn't, try some heavy lat pull downs.
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IIRC a pull-up will use your lower traps more, while chin-ups will utilize more biceps and pecs. Seeing as dimsum is an olympic lifter he probably puts very little/no effort into bicep/chest training so it would make sense for him to be able to do more pull-ups than chin-ups.
Doing chins should increase your pull-up strength but the best way to get better at pull-ups is ofcourse to do pull-ups. I suppose lat pulldowns could work as a substitute but I have no personal experience with those.
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On June 13 2012 06:50 Deadeight wrote:
Could someone please explain to me the difference between a pull-up and a chin-up in terms of muscles used? (eshlow?)
I had thought it was just that a chin up allows you to use your bicep. I had been told in the past that with your palm facing down the two bones in your forearm cross over and it prevents you from fully using your bicep. However looking at the PR leaderboard Dimsum can do 10 chin-ups and 12 pull-ups, so I guess a pull-up must work some stuff a chin-up doesn't.
The reason I ask is because I can do 3x10 chin-ups @bw at the moment, and today I tried pull-ups instead and managed 3x3 and was swinging my body around to manage even that. Will chins still increase my pull-up strength well, or are lat-pull downs a good idea?
Thanks in advance for any info anyone can give.
They both work the same muscle to a large extent except pull-ups use the lats more and chin-ups use the biceps more. So if you only do one thing, then your biceps or lats will be weak relative to your other muscles hence why you struggled with pull-ups. I don't think lat pull-downs are necessary. Just alternate between the two and you'll be able to develop some balance.
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On June 13 2012 07:14 infinity21 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 06:50 Deadeight wrote:
Could someone please explain to me the difference between a pull-up and a chin-up in terms of muscles used? (eshlow?)
I had thought it was just that a chin up allows you to use your bicep. I had been told in the past that with your palm facing down the two bones in your forearm cross over and it prevents you from fully using your bicep. However looking at the PR leaderboard Dimsum can do 10 chin-ups and 12 pull-ups, so I guess a pull-up must work some stuff a chin-up doesn't.
The reason I ask is because I can do 3x10 chin-ups @bw at the moment, and today I tried pull-ups instead and managed 3x3 and was swinging my body around to manage even that. Will chins still increase my pull-up strength well, or are lat-pull downs a good idea?
Thanks in advance for any info anyone can give. They both work the same muscle to a large extent except pull-ups use the lats more and chin-ups use the biceps more. So if you only do one thing, then your biceps or lats will be weak relative to your other muscles hence why you struggled with pull-ups. I don't think lat pull-downs are necessary. Just alternate between the two and you'll be able to develop some balance.
Yeah, I actually alternate sets between them when I'm doing them. I'm probably not the best for advice, but I tend to be able to do similar numbers of each, so if the balance is all you want, it's a good method. I'm not at the point of doing specific numbers, although I'll cap sets at 10 reps, I haven't reached the point of 3 sets of 10 yet, so I usually do a 4th set instead.
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Ok thanks for the replies. I think I'll probably alternate A/B 3 days a week for a while. Maybe whilst I'm bad at them I'll try like 1 set of pull-ups to failure then switch to the lat pull down. Thing is I felt like my rows were pretty good, both barbell and dumbbell, but I guess this is pretty different.
I don't really understand how all the back muscles work together to be honest, especially something like a dumbbell row which to me seems like it would just be using a shoulder rotator as the elbow is in against the body.
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Textbook order came in today at work. 89 boxes, I estimated them to be ~35-40 lbs each which would put the total weight for the order at ~3400 lbs. The wheel-carts that we should have used to move them were broken, so I had to unload them from the pallet, bring them from the store room to the back of the store, and then stack them. Took me about an hour and 45 minutes to do alone, because everyone else in the store was suddenly "busy" as soon as the order came in - and they're all tiny women who can't really do heavy lifting anyway.
So I moved it all. Found the invoice about half way through, and my boss read it out to me later. The things that felt like 35-40 lbs to me (on average) actually came out to be almost 60 lbs on average, and the weight of the shipment was 5,300 pounds. Net worth $200,000, and we should have another four or five of these coming in. Damn college bookstores... but still, thanks TLHF! Wouldn't have been able to do that two years ago!
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On June 11 2012 21:02 extr3me wrote:
Oh man finally, i just did 530lbs(240kg) in deadlift.
The first sets were on:
100kg x 10
140kg x 5
180kg x 5
200kg x 3
220kg x 1
240kg x 1
And i were down at 180kg for 2.5months ago!
And my main goal in deadlift are 617lbs(280kg) before next year, wish me luck! :D
faen ta de mann! kjempejobb!
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PR'd back squat (olympic style at least) at 425 lb / 193kg :D even though i was a bit sore from yesterday
squat - 315 345 365 385 405 425 then 3x315 335 345
CJ - up to 275 then 185 up to 245 (bit of jumpers knee at this point in my left knee, will need to ice and fish oil~~)
clean pulls - 3x2 @ 365. Hopefully I can clean this within a year :D
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Had to quit my morning training due to tooth ache. Went and pulled it immediately. Not allowed to eat whole foods for a bit though so have to throw delicious meat lunch into trash and drink shakes.
I took pictures though, will upload later tonight and ask you to tell me my future.
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On June 13 2012 16:55 Osmoses wrote:
Had to quit my morning training due to tooth ache. Went and pulled it immediately. Not allowed to eat whole foods for a bit though so have to throw delicious meat lunch into trash and drink shakes.
I took pictures though, will upload later tonight and ask you to tell me my future.
I swear it looks to me like you went and had your tooth pulled b/c it was aching. Confirm/deny?
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Confirm, thats... That's what I wrote. The pictures thing was related to an earlier post :D
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