EPTAround this area, near the surface, I think it's the IT band.
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rEiGN~
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Zafrumi
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Sneakyz
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Logros
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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On March 13 2012 18:05 Sneakyz wrote: Actually I don't like Rippetoe, you shouldn't make such assumptions. There is no need to do anything so that's not a very convincing arguement. Low bar will develop your hamstrings more than high bar, but if your goal from squatting is big quads and you feel like you get enough hamstring work from deadlifts, yes do high bar. I'll probably start squatting high bar once I get my knees fixed because they can't handle low bar. There's nothing wrong with anything as long as you know why. "And to be clear, I'm not saying this is necessarily what you're doing, Sneakyz." I think you missed that part of my post. On March 13 2012 18:37 Logros wrote: I also squat high-bar because it feels a lot better on my shoulders. Unless you're training specifically for powerlifting you should just pick whatever works best for you imo. And I don't see any reason to use a pussy pad either. Yeah it'll hurt the first few sessions but after a few weeks your traps will get used to it and you'll be better off. No, it got worse. That's why I started using the pad. If it were just my traps, I would have been fine. I have horrible DOMS all the time anyway, so muscular pain is nothing new. I like my bones not hurting though. On March 13 2012 18:12 rEiGN~ wrote: I get pain in IT band on the right side immediately after squatting heavy. Pain only lasts for 1-2 minutes. Any ideas? Around this area, near the surface, I think it's the IT band. Do you have tight hips in general? Could be a flexibility issue (like, you're overstretching the area). | ||
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Sneakyz
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
On March 13 2012 17:16 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: I wouldn't classify a single person in this thread as an "expert" even though some of them are gym rats. No one has provided a reason grounded in fact on why not to use the pad. The best explanation I found was that it can lead to instability on the bar, or that it might slip down your back. If both problems are avoided, it's not a problem. Not getting any results is not the same as not building respectable muscle. Keep up with the machoisms. You're very well suited to them. While I wouldn't consider the majority of lifters in this thread, I would consider eshlow to be a general expert, Decaf and Dimsum to be close enough to expert when it comes to Oly, GoTunk and sJarl close enough to expert when it come to powerlifting, and the rest of us (funky, me, malinor, celltech, zafrumi, cambium, catch, and the rest of us that have been posting here for a year and a half plus) to be close enough to an average to make most things work for most people. specifically at you, sweetlemon, if you're getting "horrible DOMS all the time" you're doing something wrong before anything to do with your specific routine. whether it works for you or is right for you or is FUBAR for you I have no idea - who knows, maybe you're just a freak - but I doubt it. @reign if it's only short term pain (<10mins) , I would say stretching and foam rolling is your best friend. I/ve delt with the same shit in the past and was terribly happy when it went away, | ||
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FFGenerations
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emjaytron
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Mementoss
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
I just found a great rest day meal setup by the way. 500g of ground beef, 250g of green peas, one onion and 250g of cottage cheese. That's lunch. Then I just have half a chicken for dinner. Delicious and perfectly meets my nutritional ends. | ||
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APurpleCow
United States1372 Posts
On March 13 2012 10:23 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: Well, at almost 400lbs (385ish) it's not hurting my neck at all. And it hasn't slipped once. It's fine to use the pad. IF you want to tell PL guys how to bench, or talk about how they bench, you should probably know first... Notice that his thumb is grasping the bar. Also this video: Again, if you wanna talk PL'ers, there's a world-class PL'ers opinion on this. Lyle McDonald also teaches thumbs over: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/training/bench-press-technique.html I'm not saying you have to. I'm saying there's no reason not to. For anyone who is kind of new to things, it's typically good to not follow people who speak in absolutes. Just a tip. In the end, do what works for you as long as it isn't incredibly stupid/hurting you. Funny that you should link to Dave Tate. | ||
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solidbebe
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funkie
Venezuela9374 Posts
On March 13 2012 10:23 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: Well, at almost 400lbs (385ish) it's not hurting my neck at all. And it hasn't slipped once. It's fine to use the pad. IF you want to tell PL guys how to bench, or talk about how they bench, you should probably know first... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXvX-zxWR_c Notice that his thumb is grasping the bar. Also this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krvj3HgYlVc&feature=relmfu Again, if you wanna talk PL'ers, there's a world-class PL'ers opinion on this. Lyle McDonald also teaches thumbs over: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/training/bench-press-technique.html I'm not saying you have to. I'm saying there's no reason not to. For anyone who is kind of new to things, it's typically good to not follow people who speak in absolutes. Just a tip. In the end, do what works for you as long as it isn't incredibly stupid/hurting you. That's an oxymoron. It's incredibly fucking stupid to use the pad when your body will adapt better to the lack of use of said shit. Are you serious? I feel like you came into the thread with big assumptions, calling everyone here "no an expert" (who is anyway?) but gym rats. the fuck is wrong with you?, Most people here are well mannered and kinf enough to give advice on a short-basis time spawn. It feel incredibly rude that you came and "trolled" the whole thread away. just my 2 cents. pd.: use w/e the fuck you want, pad no pad, w/e but don't come here arguing that the "pain in your neck" is because you don't use the pad. Man the fuck up. edit2: Daigomi, thanks. Your post is a reflexion of everything that is good in this thread, Well mannered and comprehensive advice. After my rant, which is the best example of what not to do in this thread, yours is a breath of fresh iron air. Lift away amigos. User was warned for this post | ||
Daigomi
South Africa4316 Posts
On March 13 2012 18:37 Logros wrote: I also squat high-bar because it feels a lot better on my shoulders. Unless you're training specifically for powerlifting you should just pick whatever works best for you imo. And I don't see any reason to use a pussy pad either. Yeah it'll hurt the first few sessions but after a few weeks your traps will get used to it and you'll be better off. That's the thing for me. If you absolutely have to use a pad because your shoulders have been hurting for the last 6 months, then use a pad. However, there's rarely a situation in which it's a good idea for a guy squating 50-60kg to start using a pad. That's like advising someone who just started deadlifting to use gloves because his hands hurt. To Gatored: In case it's been difficult to follow what's going on over the last three pages, I'll summarise the advice: 1. It's not crucial bu probably a good idea to warm-up on deadlifts. However, don't warm-up with the bar only. I'm not sure what you are deadlifting at the moment, but a few reps on 2/3 to 3/4 of the work weight before your workset should help. 2. For bench your thumb absolutely has to be around the bar, but for squats Rippetoe suggests it's better to not have it around the bar. On your technique: With squats, your knees are going too far forward. Try to throw your ass back before you start, and then just go down with your ass instead of bending forward with your knees. The bar position on your back is good for low-bar squats (which is what Rippetoe suggests), so it's fine to leave it there. Your depth is also fine, you're definitely going down to parallel so that's good. With deadlifts, keep the bar closer to your legs (both on the up and down movement), and consider putting the bar down more quickly. What you don't want to do on the way down is have the bar 10cm from your legs while slowly lowering it. But in general, consensus seems to be that your technique on both squats and deadlifts is fairly good. You're still lifting the weights quite easily though, so it might not be a bad idea to do another technique video once you're getting close to failure on reps. When I started, my technique got progressively worse with squats until I hurt my back at about 100kg, so just make sure you maintain your technique when you start struggling, and don't be scared to stay at the same weight if you feel like your technique is poor at a weight. EDIT: If I've missed any useful advice, let me know and I'll add it in. | ||
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sJarl
Iceland1699 Posts
Do the whatever the fuck you want. If the pad helps you, ok fine, but it increases the bar instability and becomes really burdensome as you move up in weight since the padding wont help you at all after a certain weight and then you'd have to wean yourself off it. What really helped me what to lower the bar on my back and onto my rear delts. Solved the bruised C7 spine after every squatting session. Grip the bar the way you feel is most natural and is easier on your joints. Thumbless grips on bench press work but they are risky and you have to learn how to cast your wrists properly when you move up in weight. Thumbless grips, full grip or even 2 finger grip works on squats, it's all up to you. What is more important is where you are gripping the bar. @SweetLemon: Trap work often needs shitloads of volume if high weights and low reps aren't doing the trick. Also oly lifting. edit: also, chill the fuck out. it's fine that someone new comes in and kicks us out of the comfort zone. | ||
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
Anyways, finally got my bench form right. Will be making some sick progress in the next few weeks. If everything goes to plan, I should be able to do 100kgx5 in 5-6 weeks. @Gatored: The bar is too far forward in both your DL and squats. Try to keep the bar centered above the middle of your foot or slightly behind at all times. | ||
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FFGenerations
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Zafrumi
Switzerland1272 Posts
On March 13 2012 22:18 sJarl wrote: So to summarize; Do the whatever the fuck you want. If the pad helps you, ok fine, but it increases the bar instability and becomes really burdensome as you move up in weight since the padding wont help you at all after a certain weight and then you'd have to wean yourself off it. What really helped me what to lower the bar on my back and onto my rear delts. Solved the bruised C7 spine after every squatting session. Grip the bar the way you feel is most natural and is easier on your joints. Thumbless grips on bench press work but they are risky and you have to learn how to cast your wrists properly when you move up in weight. Thumbless grips, full grip or even 2 finger grip works on squats, it's all up to you. What is more important is where you are gripping the bar. @SweetLemon: Trap work often needs shitloads of volume if high weights and low reps aren't doing the trick. Also oly lifting. edit: also, chill the fuck out. it's fine that someone new comes in and kicks us out of the comfort zone. couldnt agree with you more. if sweetlemon says he actually bruises his bones without a pad and he's tried hard to improve his traps without success, then who are we to say he's wrong? I think he probably knows better what works for him then we. and since he doesnt want to become a professional power or oly lifter, using a pad isnt that big of a deal imo. as long as you really make sure you dont sacrifice stability for comfort. and just because he doesnt share the views of the majority of this thread, there is no reason to become rude and unfriendly! | ||
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