When on Starting Strength, when does does your PowerClean count as a fail? As in today I did:
3-3-hit/hit/miss/miss/hit
Does that count as 3-3-3 and can I bump up the weights, or do I have to re-do this weight? Because they are so technical and I'm inconsistent I sometimes miss a lift although I have the strength, which is why I nail it five seconds later.
Decaf/DimSum, could I get your opinion on this? I hit 3-3-3-3-3 (I always do 5 sets) but I missed the fourth set so fucking hard I just gave up on it. Third set had me shaking, fourth set I had problems getting it past my navel : /
On November 23 2011 08:19 sJarl wrote: Had a rather strange session today. 97,5kg CJ felt quite heavy, missed 102,5 but then nailed it on the second attempt perfectly (at least it felt sooooo smooth).
Bumped up to 110kg for a new pr, missed it 3 times before managed to somehow get it up. When I tried to jerk it I felt like my shoulders were being crushed/grinding into something and immediately dropped the bar. Shoulders felt relatively fine after.
Has anyone experienced the same and is it something I should worry about?
Never heard of it. I'd say keeping going at it and see if it hurts again
On November 25 2011 00:31 AoN.DimSum wrote: If you miss, keep the weight. No need to rush technique.
Blergh. I think I'll count 1 miss as doable, 2 misses in a set as too much. Not going to spend a full year 'perfecting' technique; it's decent enough, just not subconscious yet.
On November 25 2011 00:31 AoN.DimSum wrote: If you miss, keep the weight. No need to rush technique.
Blergh. I think I'll count 1 miss as doable, 2 misses in a set as too much. Not going to spend a full year 'perfecting' technique; it's decent enough, just not subconscious yet.
Lol @ no need to spend a year perfecting technique. I guess that might be true for the power lifts but not remotely true for the full CJ or snatch. I'm at about a year and I dare not say i have remotely perfect technique.
On November 24 2011 20:51 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote: What would qualify as a 'failed' set on Starting Strength Powerclean.
Just be aware enough of your body to realize the reason you failed the rep. If you failed because you got poor extension or didn't get under the bar quick enough (or for any "technique issue") then you don't worry about it, say you'll do five reps and get three of them), but if you fail for what is honestly a strength-related issue, or you're failing as often as you're catching, you know that you need to change something up.
It's hard to regiment such a detailed and technical lift to the same extent that you can "figure out" the press, or chinups or what have you. You need to be able to listen to your body.
Also, don't forget to take into account the time needed for your CNS to recover, just cause your muscles feel ready to go doesn't mean your nerves are (this mistake is easy to make in oly lifting due to the speed and technical difficulty)
On November 25 2011 00:35 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
On November 25 2011 00:31 AoN.DimSum wrote: If you miss, keep the weight. No need to rush technique.
Blergh. I think I'll count 1 miss as doable, 2 misses in a set as too much. Not going to spend a full year 'perfecting' technique; it's decent enough, just not subconscious yet.
Lol @ no need to spend a year perfecting technique. I guess that might be true for the power lifts but not remotely true for the full CJ or snatch. I'm at about a year and I dare not say i have remotely perfect technique.
I've heard Lu Yong say that although he's completed hundreds of thousands of Olympic lifts in his career, there are still times where his technique could use improvement. Although his worst clean and jerk technique is about three times better than my best clean and jerk technique, it says a lot about this sport.
On November 25 2011 00:35 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
On November 25 2011 00:31 AoN.DimSum wrote: If you miss, keep the weight. No need to rush technique.
Blergh. I think I'll count 1 miss as doable, 2 misses in a set as too much. Not going to spend a full year 'perfecting' technique; it's decent enough, just not subconscious yet.
Lol @ no need to spend a year perfecting technique. I guess that might be true for the power lifts but not remotely true for the full CJ or snatch. I'm at about a year and I dare not say i have remotely perfect technique.
I've heard Lu Yong say that although he's completed hundreds of thousands of Olympic lifts in his career, there are still times where his technique could use improvement. Although his worst clean and jerk technique is about three times better than my best clean and jerk technique, it says a lot about this sport.
i've also heard that you can learn the c&j and the snatch in about 6-9 months of proper training. think rippetoe or pendlay said something like that. after that, its all about getting stronger! of course, you can always improve!
On November 27 2011 22:31 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
On November 27 2011 16:58 decafchicken wrote:
On November 25 2011 00:35 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
On November 25 2011 00:31 AoN.DimSum wrote: If you miss, keep the weight. No need to rush technique.
Blergh. I think I'll count 1 miss as doable, 2 misses in a set as too much. Not going to spend a full year 'perfecting' technique; it's decent enough, just not subconscious yet.
Lol @ no need to spend a year perfecting technique. I guess that might be true for the power lifts but not remotely true for the full CJ or snatch. I'm at about a year and I dare not say i have remotely perfect technique.
I've heard Lu Yong say that although he's completed hundreds of thousands of Olympic lifts in his career, there are still times where his technique could use improvement. Although his worst clean and jerk technique is about three times better than my best clean and jerk technique, it says a lot about this sport.
i've also heard that you can learn the c&j and the snatch in about 6-9 months of proper training. think rippetoe or pendlay said something like that. after that, its all about getting stronger! of course, you can always improve!
Theres differences between learning, perfecting, and mastering the lifts. I learned to do a relatively decent snatch/cj in a few months. And it's been under heavy refining since then. Now i'd say they're good but i honestly dont know if i'll be able to say i'm happy with my technique/consistency for years to come.
I think i fixed my consistency problem on my snatch. My second pull is a lot more on spot..before i think i would pull too much and at anything over my body weight if i let the bar get away from my body at all it would end up behind me, exacerbated by the too much effort on the second pull.
1. are belts allowed in weightlifting competitions? I thought no, but I was just watching this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kUo-KOMsZ4&feature=related) and she is wearing one! at least for the c&j
2. why do they put the little weight plates on the barbell on the outside of the thingy that holds the big plates in place?
1. Yes they are. I usually use them on my heavier clean and jerks. I think the things that are allowed are tape, wrist wraps, belts, and knee sleeves.
2. I dont have an official answer but i'm guess they put them outside the things (which are called collars) is because it's easier to change between smaller weight jumps ( <6kg). The collars have magnets which hold the smaller weights in place.
Had my meet today. Missed weight by .7kg (wasn't really too worried about it). Snatch: 115, 118x, 118x Clean and Jerk: 140x, 140, 146(pr) Total: 261 (best male lifter :D )
Got some really good coaching that should help me more to come and helped me stick the 146 cj Here's the CJ video, Snatches to come later.