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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
November 23 2011 11:52 GMT
#101
When on Starting Strength, when does does your PowerClean count as a fail? As in today I did:

3-3-hit/hit/miss/miss/hit

Does that count as 3-3-3 and can I bump up the weights, or do I have to re-do this weight?
Because they are so technical and I'm inconsistent I sometimes miss a lift although I have the strength, which is why I nail it five seconds later.
Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
November 23 2011 13:38 GMT
#102
you actually have to do 3-3-3-3-3 but as long as you got 3 reps in one set, i'd count it
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
November 23 2011 14:52 GMT
#103
Decaf/DimSum, could I get your opinion on this? I hit 3-3-3-3-3 (I always do 5 sets) but I missed the fourth set so fucking hard I just gave up on it. Third set had me shaking, fourth set I had problems getting it past my navel : /
Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20025 Posts
November 24 2011 02:49 GMT
#104
What exactly do you want an opinion on?

On November 23 2011 08:19 sJarl wrote:
Had a rather strange session today. 97,5kg CJ felt quite heavy, missed 102,5 but then nailed it on the second attempt perfectly (at least it felt sooooo smooth).

Bumped up to 110kg for a new pr, missed it 3 times before managed to somehow get it up. When I tried to jerk it I felt like my shoulders were being crushed/grinding into something and immediately dropped the bar. Shoulders felt relatively fine after.

Has anyone experienced the same and is it something I should worry about?


Never heard of it. I'd say keeping going at it and see if it hurts again
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
November 24 2011 11:51 GMT
#105
What would qualify as a 'failed' set on Starting Strength Powerclean.

Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20025 Posts
November 24 2011 14:52 GMT
#106
Id say failing a rep or two but still getting three total good powercleans would be okay.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
November 24 2011 15:31 GMT
#107
If you miss, keep the weight. No need to rush technique.
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
November 24 2011 15:35 GMT
#108
On November 25 2011 00:31 AoN.DimSum wrote:
If you miss, keep the weight. No need to rush technique.

Blergh. I think I'll count 1 miss as doable, 2 misses in a set as too much. Not going to spend a full year 'perfecting' technique; it's decent enough, just not subconscious yet.
Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20025 Posts
November 27 2011 07:58 GMT
#109
On November 25 2011 00:35 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 00:31 AoN.DimSum wrote:
If you miss, keep the weight. No need to rush technique.

Blergh. I think I'll count 1 miss as doable, 2 misses in a set as too much. Not going to spend a full year 'perfecting' technique; it's decent enough, just not subconscious yet.


Lol @ no need to spend a year perfecting technique. I guess that might be true for the power lifts but not remotely true for the full CJ or snatch. I'm at about a year and I dare not say i have remotely perfect technique.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
November 27 2011 08:10 GMT
#110
On November 24 2011 20:51 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
What would qualify as a 'failed' set on Starting Strength Powerclean.



Just be aware enough of your body to realize the reason you failed the rep. If you failed because you got poor extension or didn't get under the bar quick enough (or for any "technique issue") then you don't worry about it, say you'll do five reps and get three of them), but if you fail for what is honestly a strength-related issue, or you're failing as often as you're catching, you know that you need to change something up.

It's hard to regiment such a detailed and technical lift to the same extent that you can "figure out" the press, or chinups or what have you. You need to be able to listen to your body.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20025 Posts
November 27 2011 08:22 GMT
#111
Also, don't forget to take into account the time needed for your CNS to recover, just cause your muscles feel ready to go doesn't mean your nerves are (this mistake is easy to make in oly lifting due to the speed and technical difficulty)
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
November 27 2011 13:31 GMT
#112
On November 27 2011 16:58 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 00:35 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
On November 25 2011 00:31 AoN.DimSum wrote:
If you miss, keep the weight. No need to rush technique.

Blergh. I think I'll count 1 miss as doable, 2 misses in a set as too much. Not going to spend a full year 'perfecting' technique; it's decent enough, just not subconscious yet.


Lol @ no need to spend a year perfecting technique. I guess that might be true for the power lifts but not remotely true for the full CJ or snatch. I'm at about a year and I dare not say i have remotely perfect technique.


I've heard Lu Yong say that although he's completed hundreds of thousands of Olympic lifts in his career, there are still times where his technique could use improvement. Although his worst clean and jerk technique is about three times better than my best clean and jerk technique, it says a lot about this sport.
Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
November 27 2011 13:45 GMT
#113
On November 27 2011 22:31 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 16:58 decafchicken wrote:
On November 25 2011 00:35 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
On November 25 2011 00:31 AoN.DimSum wrote:
If you miss, keep the weight. No need to rush technique.

Blergh. I think I'll count 1 miss as doable, 2 misses in a set as too much. Not going to spend a full year 'perfecting' technique; it's decent enough, just not subconscious yet.


Lol @ no need to spend a year perfecting technique. I guess that might be true for the power lifts but not remotely true for the full CJ or snatch. I'm at about a year and I dare not say i have remotely perfect technique.


I've heard Lu Yong say that although he's completed hundreds of thousands of Olympic lifts in his career, there are still times where his technique could use improvement. Although his worst clean and jerk technique is about three times better than my best clean and jerk technique, it says a lot about this sport.


i've also heard that you can learn the c&j and the snatch in about 6-9 months of proper training. think rippetoe or pendlay said something like that. after that, its all about getting stronger!
of course, you can always improve!
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20025 Posts
November 28 2011 07:16 GMT
#114
On November 27 2011 22:45 Zafrumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 22:31 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
On November 27 2011 16:58 decafchicken wrote:
On November 25 2011 00:35 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
On November 25 2011 00:31 AoN.DimSum wrote:
If you miss, keep the weight. No need to rush technique.

Blergh. I think I'll count 1 miss as doable, 2 misses in a set as too much. Not going to spend a full year 'perfecting' technique; it's decent enough, just not subconscious yet.


Lol @ no need to spend a year perfecting technique. I guess that might be true for the power lifts but not remotely true for the full CJ or snatch. I'm at about a year and I dare not say i have remotely perfect technique.


I've heard Lu Yong say that although he's completed hundreds of thousands of Olympic lifts in his career, there are still times where his technique could use improvement. Although his worst clean and jerk technique is about three times better than my best clean and jerk technique, it says a lot about this sport.


i've also heard that you can learn the c&j and the snatch in about 6-9 months of proper training. think rippetoe or pendlay said something like that. after that, its all about getting stronger!
of course, you can always improve!


Theres differences between learning, perfecting, and mastering the lifts. I learned to do a relatively decent snatch/cj in a few months. And it's been under heavy refining since then. Now i'd say they're good but i honestly dont know if i'll be able to say i'm happy with my technique/consistency for years to come.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20025 Posts
November 30 2011 04:12 GMT
#115
I think i fixed my consistency problem on my snatch. My second pull is a lot more on spot..before i think i would pull too much and at anything over my body weight if i let the bar get away from my body at all it would end up behind me, exacerbated by the too much effort on the second pull.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
November 30 2011 20:38 GMT
#116
I have two questions

1. are belts allowed in weightlifting competitions? I thought no, but I was just watching this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kUo-KOMsZ4&feature=related) and she is wearing one! at least for the c&j

2. why do they put the little weight plates on the barbell on the outside of the thingy that holds the big plates in place?
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20025 Posts
November 30 2011 21:32 GMT
#117
1. Yes they are. I usually use them on my heavier clean and jerks. I think the things that are allowed are tape, wrist wraps, belts, and knee sleeves.

2. I dont have an official answer but i'm guess they put them outside the things (which are called collars) is because it's easier to change between smaller weight jumps ( <6kg). The collars have magnets which hold the smaller weights in place.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20025 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 01:38:20
December 10 2011 01:37 GMT
#118
Neat video here of the second pull/catch
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
December 10 2011 04:39 GMT
#119
yeah great video, I think thats in the OP
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20025 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 01:12:59
December 10 2011 23:01 GMT
#120
Had my meet today. Missed weight by .7kg (wasn't really too worried about it).
Snatch: 115, 118x, 118x
Clean and Jerk: 140x, 140, 146(pr)
Total: 261 (best male lifter :D )

Got some really good coaching that should help me more to come and helped me stick the 146 cj
Here's the CJ video, Snatches to come later.

And here's the snatch
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