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Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
April 28 2013 04:47 GMT
#1621
On the topic of shoes, I need a new pair and I'm looking at the Nike Free Runs. What do you think?
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Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
April 28 2013 05:37 GMT
#1622
Having issues with runner's knee since the half marathon. The symptoms pretty much perfectly match the IT band syndrome (lateral knee pain worse when running, sitting down for a long time and then trying to walk around, etc.). I was trying to rest and do some light runs, but I ended up running a 10k yesterday for a fundraiser because it was for someone I knew personally and I wanted to contribute. It was at an easy pace, but now the pain is pretty noticeable when I'm going up the stairs and I can feel it even while I'm just walking.

I have a 5k coming up tomorrow morning and I really want to run it. I've put some pain relief cream and will use a knee brace. I'll get to the event venue tomorrow and see how I feel. I may just have to walk the whole thing if necessary, but I'm hoping I don't have to do that because I was originally wanting to set a PR this time around..

On April 28 2013 13:47 Blisse wrote:
On the topic of shoes, I need a new pair and I'm looking at the Nike Free Runs. What do you think?


I've had those for a 4-5 months and they are very light and comfortable. However, one of my runner friends told me that she doesn't like those shoes for long distance running because they don't give you much protection. It's true that I have had quite a few running injuries since Feburary (foot, knee, shin), so maybe she has a point. It's difficult to tell though because I ran longer and more frequently than ever during January/February and that could obviously also lead to injuries.
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
April 28 2013 13:24 GMT
#1623
Did my first competitive Marathon today in Manchester.

Finished in 3 hours and 23 minutes.

I put myself in the pacing group for 3:30 which I thought was probably overly ambitious at the time so I'm extremely happy with that finish. I got way too excited in the first half ran an extremely positive split but the final results well exceeded my expectations so I'm not too concerned and learnt a lot for next time.
Bonham
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada655 Posts
April 28 2013 19:12 GMT
#1624
Ran a 34:2x, which I'm fairly pleased with – my 10k goal for the entire season was to get under 35, so I may have to reassess a bit.

Also won the race, which was kind of neat! Since there was a half marathon and 5k going at the same time, and all the races shared the same finish line, there was no tape for me to break, so that particular fantasy will have to wait for another day, but I still fell quite justified in cracking open the 2011 Fuller's Vintage Ale I'd stashed away for this occasion.

I'll update with my chip time and some photos when the race organizers post them.
Bonham
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada655 Posts
April 28 2013 19:25 GMT
#1625
On April 28 2013 22:24 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:

I put myself in the pacing group for 3:30 which I thought was probably overly ambitious at the time so I'm extremely happy with that finish. I got way too excited in the first half ran an extremely positive split but the final results well exceeded my expectations so I'm not too concerned and learnt a lot for next time.


Congrats! That's a very promising debut. When do you plan to do another one?
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
April 28 2013 20:27 GMT
#1626
On April 29 2013 04:25 Bonham wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 22:24 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:

I put myself in the pacing group for 3:30 which I thought was probably overly ambitious at the time so I'm extremely happy with that finish. I got way too excited in the first half ran an extremely positive split but the final results well exceeded my expectations so I'm not too concerned and learnt a lot for next time.


Congrats! That's a very promising debut. When do you plan to do another one?


Probably Chester or Liverpool in October. Quite a way off but plenty of time to work on my fitness so I can run sub 3 hours next time out.
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
April 28 2013 20:56 GMT
#1627
On April 29 2013 04:12 Bonham wrote:
Ran a 34:2x, which I'm fairly pleased with – my 10k goal for the entire season was to get under 35, so I may have to reassess a bit.

Also won the race, which was kind of neat! Since there was a half marathon and 5k going at the same time, and all the races shared the same finish line, there was no tape for me to break, so that particular fantasy will have to wait for another day, but I still fell quite justified in cracking open the 2011 Fuller's Vintage Ale I'd stashed away for this occasion.

I'll update with my chip time and some photos when the race organizers post them.


On March 14 2013 08:25 L_Master wrote:
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On March 14 2013 06:17 Bonham wrote:
Blah, we could get up to 27cm of snow in Edmonton by Sunday. This might call for modifying my goal time a bit, which is a bit of a pissoff. I was feeling so pepped up for the race – I got out for a really nice 17km tempo run with a friend yesterday, and felt far more comfortable at ~3:55/km than I thought I ought to. Having to plod through all that muck will crush my spirit a good deal.


You ran 17km at 3:55 pace? o.O

If that's correct then something gives me the feeling that 40 min isn't going to be much of a problem over 10k. 34-35 min would be realistic off of that.



Pretty close :p

Sweet race though, especially if course is certified and accurate. You're getting close to that point where you can start thinking about sub 16. Anybody running 34 is super legit though...not to mention winning is quite fun.

You win wire to wire or blow some people out?
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[cF]TridenT
Profile Joined August 2004
United States665 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-29 03:15:23
April 29 2013 02:27 GMT
#1628
Ran my first half marathon since 2001 today. It was a pretty hilly race as I stated in early post and decided to just run it instead of race it. Turned out pretty well but I really didn't do the miles to put in a strong effort. I walked 8 times in the duration of the race including a nice bathroom break on mile 5 :D Here's a link to the race on my GPS watch LINK. Finished with a 1:29:46 53rd out 5360 with only minor leg/foot pain
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Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
April 29 2013 03:03 GMT
#1629
On April 28 2013 14:37 Sein wrote:
Having issues with runner's knee since the half marathon. The symptoms pretty much perfectly match the IT band syndrome (lateral knee pain worse when running, sitting down for a long time and then trying to walk around, etc.). I was trying to rest and do some light runs, but I ended up running a 10k yesterday for a fundraiser because it was for someone I knew personally and I wanted to contribute. It was at an easy pace, but now the pain is pretty noticeable when I'm going up the stairs and I can feel it even while I'm just walking.

I have a 5k coming up tomorrow morning and I really want to run it. I've put some pain relief cream and will use a knee brace. I'll get to the event venue tomorrow and see how I feel. I may just have to walk the whole thing if necessary, but I'm hoping I don't have to do that because I was originally wanting to set a PR this time around..


So, I limped to the starting line and somehow still got a PR. Apparently I had forgotten for a while that it was actually a 4 mile race instead of 5k. Finished it at 6:54 average pace, which is slightly faster than my 5k record, and I have a feeling that my 4th mile probably took ~8 minutes or maybe longer because I stopped twice to walk between mile 3 and mile 4.

While I'm satisfied with my time especially given the ITBS, I'm not happy that I stopped to walk three times (~2.5 mile, ~3 mile, ~3.5 mile). Knee pain did partially contribute, but I think it was mostly that I felt out of breath and wanted to stop. I feel that my mental aspect has been weakened in the past couple of months. Including this one, I've stopped several times during my most recent couple of races (HM and 4 mile), which I had not done in the past.

In any case, I expect that I will have to take the next couple weeks off because I'm pretty sure I've exacerbated my knee and it feels painful to walk. I don't regret going out to run today though
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
April 29 2013 03:09 GMT
#1630
On April 29 2013 11:27 [cF]TridenT wrote:
Ran my first half marathon today since 2001 today. It was a pretty hilly race as I stated in early post and decided to just run it instead of race it. Turned out pretty well but I really didn't do the miles to put in a strong effort. I walked 8 times in the duration of the race including a nice bathroom break on mile 5 :D Here's a link to the race on my GPS watch LINK. Finished with a 1:29:46 53rd out 5360 with only minor leg/foot pain


It doesn't look like you ever dropped below 11:30min/mile or so pace while you're walking! When I walk, I drop to like 17:30. Are you quite tall by any chance?
[cF]TridenT
Profile Joined August 2004
United States665 Posts
April 29 2013 03:17 GMT
#1631
On April 29 2013 12:09 Sein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2013 11:27 [cF]TridenT wrote:
Ran my first half marathon today since 2001 today. It was a pretty hilly race as I stated in early post and decided to just run it instead of race it. Turned out pretty well but I really didn't do the miles to put in a strong effort. I walked 8 times in the duration of the race including a nice bathroom break on mile 5 :D Here's a link to the race on my GPS watch LINK. Finished with a 1:29:46 53rd out 5360 with only minor leg/foot pain


It doesn't look like you ever dropped below 11:30min/mile or so pace while you're walking! When I walk, I drop to like 17:30. Are you quite tall by any chance?

yeah it seems strange to me that I didn't lose much time or distance during the walking sessions. I'm only 5'9 and I stopped at most of the water stops to drink properly Everyone there was shocked that I was stopping/walking since I was in the top 1% of the racers there
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Bonham
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada655 Posts
April 29 2013 15:40 GMT
#1632
On April 29 2013 05:56 L_Master wrote:
Sweet race though, especially if course is certified and accurate. You're getting close to that point where you can start thinking about sub 16. Anybody running 34 is super legit though...not to mention winning is quite fun.

You win wire to wire or blow some people out?


You can see the results here. My official time is 34:20. My Garmin shows the route as 9.92km. I'm not sure which distance to trust there (e.g. I might have hit the "start" button past the official measured start line or whatever), but my actual time my be something ~15 seconds slower than that.

Second place was 35:11. The dude stuck with me for the first 3km or so, but then dropped off when we hit the main hill on the course. I was at the front for the entire race, which felt a bit weird.

I'm not certain I couldn't have gone a bit faster if I had someone to really duel with over the duration of the course – I had enough juice left for a decent sprint over the last 200m, and didn't really feel particularly tired afterwards. This morning, my legs complained a little bit, but that went away after 500m or so into my run. Seems I may need to further acclimate myself to the suffering involved in racing.
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
April 29 2013 22:29 GMT
#1633
On April 30 2013 00:40 Bonham wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2013 05:56 L_Master wrote:
Sweet race though, especially if course is certified and accurate. You're getting close to that point where you can start thinking about sub 16. Anybody running 34 is super legit though...not to mention winning is quite fun.

You win wire to wire or blow some people out?


You can see the results here. My official time is 34:20. My Garmin shows the route as 9.92km. I'm not sure which distance to trust there (e.g. I might have hit the "start" button past the official measured start line or whatever), but my actual time my be something ~15 seconds slower than that.

Second place was 35:11. The dude stuck with me for the first 3km or so, but then dropped off when we hit the main hill on the course. I was at the front for the entire race, which felt a bit weird.

I'm not certain I couldn't have gone a bit faster if I had someone to really duel with over the duration of the course – I had enough juice left for a decent sprint over the last 200m, and didn't really feel particularly tired afterwards. This morning, my legs complained a little bit, but that went away after 500m or so into my run. Seems I may need to further acclimate myself to the suffering involved in racing.


3:26 pace, nice! :p

Seriously though, sick racing. Pretty excited to see how much more you're going to improve.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-30 03:08:10
April 30 2013 03:07 GMT
#1634
On April 30 2013 00:40 Bonham wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2013 05:56 L_Master wrote:
Sweet race though, especially if course is certified and accurate. You're getting close to that point where you can start thinking about sub 16. Anybody running 34 is super legit though...not to mention winning is quite fun.

You win wire to wire or blow some people out?


You can see the results here. My official time is 34:20. My Garmin shows the route as 9.92km. I'm not sure which distance to trust there (e.g. I might have hit the "start" button past the official measured start line or whatever), but my actual time my be something ~15 seconds slower than that.

Second place was 35:11. The dude stuck with me for the first 3km or so, but then dropped off when we hit the main hill on the course. I was at the front for the entire race, which felt a bit weird.

I'm not certain I couldn't have gone a bit faster if I had someone to really duel with over the duration of the course – I had enough juice left for a decent sprint over the last 200m, and didn't really feel particularly tired afterwards. This morning, my legs complained a little bit, but that went away after 500m or so into my run. Seems I may need to further acclimate myself to the suffering involved in racing.


We know who you are now! >:D
Awesome pace.
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Arisen
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2382 Posts
April 30 2013 18:21 GMT
#1635
After a week of doing a R/W ratio of 1/4, I'm adding in the C25K from active 3 days a week (alternating a minute running with a minute and a half cool down walk for 20 minutes starting, then throttling back the walking as time goes).

I have to say I haven't found my "comfortable" run pace yet, It's still a struggle to keep running after the third or so of run portion. I'm still trying to slow my pace, but I'm still running at a 9min/mile pace looking at my logs. I thought I was going to die on the last minute of running today, but I finished strong and I'm sure my efforts will pay dividends when I can easily do the same workout a month from now.

For now I feel good after my workouts and that's all that matters to me at the moment. Hoping to be able to complete a 5k without walking by the end of the summer.
"If you're not angry, you're not paying attention"
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
April 30 2013 19:19 GMT
#1636
On May 01 2013 03:21 Arisen wrote:
After a week of doing a R/W ratio of 1/4, I'm adding in the C25K from active 3 days a week (alternating a minute running with a minute and a half cool down walk for 20 minutes starting, then throttling back the walking as time goes).

I have to say I haven't found my "comfortable" run pace yet, It's still a struggle to keep running after the third or so of run portion. I'm still trying to slow my pace, but I'm still running at a 9min/mile pace looking at my logs. I thought I was going to die on the last minute of running today, but I finished strong and I'm sure my efforts will pay dividends when I can easily do the same workout a month from now.

For now I feel good after my workouts and that's all that matters to me at the moment. Hoping to be able to complete a 5k without walking by the end of the summer.


This tells me your still definitely too fast on the run portions, or not using enough recovery. Either control your run pace better, or have longer walking intervals and/or shorter running intervals. You really don't want to be running anywhere remotely near that level of intensity yet. There is a time and place for that if you want to train to become a good runner, but the foundation isn't there yet.

You should feel quite good while running (not to mention afterwords!), feeling like your about to die is what we want to save for that last mile+ of a 5k race, not everyday runs.

Aside from that nice work and keep at it!
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
April 30 2013 23:06 GMT
#1637
On May 01 2013 03:21 Arisen wrote:
After a week of doing a R/W ratio of 1/4, I'm adding in the C25K from active 3 days a week (alternating a minute running with a minute and a half cool down walk for 20 minutes starting, then throttling back the walking as time goes).

I have to say I haven't found my "comfortable" run pace yet, It's still a struggle to keep running after the third or so of run portion. I'm still trying to slow my pace, but I'm still running at a 9min/mile pace looking at my logs. I thought I was going to die on the last minute of running today, but I finished strong and I'm sure my efforts will pay dividends when I can easily do the same workout a month from now.

For now I feel good after my workouts and that's all that matters to me at the moment. Hoping to be able to complete a 5k without walking by the end of the summer.


If you're at the stage in your running where you're just working to get in the correct shape to be able to run (i.e weight loss or getting basic fitness back) then it's detrimental to really push yourself too hard because you'll just need longer to recover.

If you work 10-20% less hard you'll probably find you can cover twice as many miles across the course of a week or month than if you're really, really going for it.

The only time you want to be absolutely hitting your limit is in a competitive/organised race.

If you are trying to lose weight than you should be trying to run slowly for long periods not quickly for only a minute at a time, you'll get down to that BMI sweet spot of 19-22 (approx) that you want for running much faster and that's when you can start looking into your speed.
Bonham
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada655 Posts
May 01 2013 16:15 GMT
#1638
On April 30 2013 07:29 L_Master wrote:

3:26 pace, nice! :p

Seriously though, sick racing. Pretty excited to see how much more you're going to improve.


Thanks! My next race is on May 25th. Something with a 33 in the start seems like a good goal, but I think the course has stairs in it, so who knows.

Also, because I am exceedingly vain, a race photo! This is about a mile from the finish. The other runners are in the 5k. + Show Spoiler +
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
May 01 2013 18:26 GMT
#1639
Image doesn't work for me mate. I've got a few race picks but they tend not to put you in a flattering light, especially if take towards the end.
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-01 22:13:14
May 01 2013 22:09 GMT
#1640
Do you guys have any thoughts about flat soled shoes like skater shoes? I walked a bit yesterday casually with them and the back of my left knee started giving me pains, but it seemed better when I switched shoes today... but it was annoying. Not running with them, of course. Bought the Nike Free's instead.


If anyone is interested, I talked with one of the girls at the Nike Running store in Toronto. She said that the difference between the Nike Free Runs and the Nike Free 5.0 is nothing. The Free Runs started as the Nike Free 5.0, then were renamed as the Nike Free Runs, then back now to the Nike Free 5.0. The 5.0 designates how much the shoe feels like you're running barefoot. The Nike Free 3.0 might as well be barefoot, while the 4.0 is less, and the 5.0 is more "normal". I took the 5.0 for now, but really I'm being stalled by some weird injury.



I'm getting weird pain at the bottom of my right lung when I do heavier breathing. First time experiencing it walking today, but I get it sometimes when I run. Happens within like 200m of starting, and gets progressively worse. I can try to run through it but it hurts after a couple km. Anyone else have anything similar in the past? This has been recurrent for many years now, only during running... >< I don't think I ever get this during badminton or swimming or other stuff. :/ I just walked instead today :\
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