Why wouldn't you learn everything and train for speed and endurance(and everything else you desire).
Our perk as non professionals is that we dont have to limit ourselft just to exel at one point.

LaNague

Germany9118 Posts

August 16 2015 12:39 GMT

#142

On August 12 2015 11:59 Yorbon wrote:
I understand that this thread seems to be mainly about weightlifting, but the title says general training, so I figured it would be ok. (If there is another, better thread, please say so)

Recently I've randomly tried out swimming to keep myself fit. I've done it only once, and the results were very bad. I've had muscle aches all over, and I couldn't even swim like 100 meters straight at my preferred speed. However, I really liked the places I had muscle aches, as one seems to use a very large portion of the body, compared to for example running. Because I haven't really learned anything else, I only used the breaststroke ('schoolslag' in dutch, not sure if that's the right translation). My question is as follows: if my goal is just to keep myself fit (I'm not trying to become a competitive swimmer or something), what should I pay attention to? Should I learn new techniques? Should I focus on stamina or speed? Are there some programmes or books that focus on these things?

I'm looking forward to any responses

please make sure your do the breast stroke legs properly, improper technique results in knee damage.

Front crawl is a very popular and good technique for keeping fit, but proper execution is very hard and im not sure you can really learn without a good coach.
As with breaststroker, improper execution damages shoulders and neck.
good thing about front crawl is that an improperly done stroke is more taxing than a properly done one, which builds willpower imo and also prevents beginners from tricling themselves into thinking they did a good swim when all they did was hanging in the water for an hour like i see so many people do with breaststroke in public pools.

Frontcrawl is also very different in that it is a asymmetrical stroke, which makes it harder to learn but you mighht find it more pleasent to swim because its more fluid

If 100 meters is taxing you, you can try something like (2-4) times 100 meters, the breaks inbetween are 12 times drawing breath, then 4 times 50 with breaks of 10 breaths.
then you can increase how many times you do the 100 at after a few eeks you add 200m etc.

always go to limit on the last 25-50 meters until you know yourself better and then you know yourself when you can start pushing for speed.

Harris1st

Germany6805 Posts

April 01 2016 11:53 GMT

#143

On August 16 2015 21:39 LaNague wrote:

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please make sure your do the breast stroke legs properly, improper technique results in knee damage.

Front crawl is a very popular and good technique for keeping fit, but proper execution is very hard and im not sure you can really learn without a good coach.
As with breaststroker, improper execution damages shoulders and neck.
good thing about front crawl is that an improperly done stroke is more taxing than a properly done one, which builds willpower imo and also prevents beginners from tricling themselves into thinking they did a good swim when all they did was hanging in the water for an hour like i see so many people do with breaststroke in public pools.

Frontcrawl is also very different in that it is a asymmetrical stroke, which makes it harder to learn but you mighht find it more pleasent to swim because its more fluid

Is this for real?

I always thought there was sth wrong with my knee that i couldn't do the breast stroke legs properly and not the other way around...

traver66

4 Posts

February 21 2019 06:55 GMT

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Jerubaal

United States7684 Posts

May 29 2020 10:33 GMT

#145

I hope I can revive this dead thread for some advice because I need it. I've been having wrist pain in my right wrist. It doesn't hurt throughout the day, but I'm having trouble even picking up grocery bags. It seems mostly to be a weakness in a supinated position. I'm not having any pain in a neutral position, but when I try to lift with the palm up, it hurts. Or, when I try to keep a neutral position like in a shoulder press, it's very difficult. I have been using kettlebells a lot right now, which no doubt is contributing to the acute issue. I'm having almost no problems with my left wrist, though. I could simply stop for a while, but I've had weak wrists for a while and I don't think the overall problem is going to go away on its own. Thoughts?

Raymond87

United Kingdom4 Posts

June 05 2020 07:30 GMT

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SweeTLemonS[TPR]

11739 Posts

June 10 2020 06:45 GMT

#147

On May 29 2020 19:33 Jerubaal wrote:
I hope I can revive this dead thread for some advice because I need it. I've been having wrist pain in my right wrist. It doesn't hurt throughout the day, but I'm having trouble even picking up grocery bags. It seems mostly to be a weakness in a supinated position. I'm not having any pain in a neutral position, but when I try to lift with the palm up, it hurts. Or, when I try to keep a neutral position like in a shoulder press, it's very difficult. I have been using kettlebells a lot right now, which no doubt is contributing to the acute issue. I'm having almost no problems with my left wrist, though. I could simply stop for a while, but I've had weak wrists for a while and I don't think the overall problem is going to go away on its own. Thoughts?

Sounds like an RSI, imo. Before I gave up on fitness and got fat, I used to get that all the time. Generally speaking, I found poor form contributed to the issues. Specifically, I'd over-extend my arm while benching, causing my wrist to flex inward. I can't remember supinated vs pronated, and I can't be bothered to look it up, but my hand would point toward my body, sort of like this image here:

(mad paint skills). Very easy to do the same thing with kettlebells, but the force of the kettlebell dropping could worsen the outcome.

I also found that typing on a standard keyboard contributed pretty massively to this problem. I switched to an ergonomic keyboard for that reason many years ago for that reason. I use this one, if you want a recommendation. You won't impress any of your dbag gamer friends with some sick red keys or whatever the fuck they use on those annoying-as-shit mechanical keyboards (I worked with a ton of nerds who brought mechanicals in to the office), but your wrists will feel better. If you type even remotely properly, adjusting isn't an issue.

Apart from that, I still get some random wrist pains that can't really be explained, but they go away in a couple of days, so I've mostly ignored them. It's probably lupus.