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Miyoshino
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
314 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-23 00:57:40
May 23 2012 00:49 GMT
#421
The only thing you need to focus on is what macro and micronutrients your diet has.

Nuts are filling but only because they are so high in calories. Their calorie/fiber ratio is very bad. Whole grains have half the calories per fiber than nuts have. Best way to ruin your calorie intake is to cheat in a bunch of nuts because 'they fill you up'..
There are some foods that give you only 10 kcal for 1 gram of fiber. Those are some of the best. Especially since these are mostly watery vegetables with like 20 kcal for 100g.
Nuts get so completely blown out of the water by stuff like cabbage, it isn't even close. It's like cabbage - nuts - Ben's and Jerry's ice cream. Nuts are like straight in the middle. Basically every food a normal person knows that is healthy is way better.

Now nuts are great for micronutrients. So if you need to take in more calories, nuts are a great way to do it. But you only need so many micronutrients anyway. If you want you can get a whole bunch of them for 0 kcal using supplements. Not to mention the 20 kcal per 100g vegetables are great for micronutrients as well.
If you eat a varying diet made up of nutrient-dense foods that have the appropriate macronutrients, you have a good diet. Really it is extremely simple and I expect anyone already knows what to eat and not what to eat. The problem is to do it.

It seems that in some cultures people don't naturally know what is healthy and what is not. I find this very strange.

Compliance is everything. If you can't comply with a healthy diet, you are going to stay fat. There's no trick diets. But people are overweight or out of shape because they aren't doing what it takes to get in shape. So they need to change up their lifestyle. Not find out about some trick on the internet or buy into some diet fad that happens to be in vogue at the moment.

There's no trick. You either do it or you don't do it.
B-Roll
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States403 Posts
May 23 2012 01:24 GMT
#422
I have noticed at day 3 its been a lot easier to eat better. What are your opinions on skipping meals? Do you have any research that has been done on that? Last night I didn't even eat dinner, just wasn't in the mood for it.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20109 Posts
May 23 2012 01:56 GMT
#423
On May 23 2012 10:24 B-Roll wrote:
I have noticed at day 3 its been a lot easier to eat better. What are your opinions on skipping meals? Do you have any research that has been done on that? Last night I didn't even eat dinner, just wasn't in the mood for it.


I wouldn't worry too much about set meals, I mostly just try to eat healthy and eat when i'm hungry. If you're trying to lose weight just eat till youre ~3/4 full. I find that when i eat wholesome healthy meals (meat nom nom nom) i dont need to eat as often.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15359 Posts
May 23 2012 09:35 GMT
#424
So next week I will move out of my kitchen equipped place and live in hotels again mo-fri and some weekends as well.

Over the past year I have lived on a loosely paleo-ish diet. Do you guys have any recommendations how to keep close to this as possible?

I'll have my standard hotel breakfast, which I guess is ok most of the time except for the quality I got used to.

Lunch is a big question to me now. I usually would skip lunch altogether and bring some fruits, coconut, dried meat, milk to work, and have a big meal at night.
Now for lunch I'll have a selection of more or less good asian, italian, greek, etc restaurants to choose from. Not looking forward to that at all.

At night I don't see myself going to eat out again. Normally what I would have at night in the hotel are my usual lunch snacks. But then again I can't live off just breakfast and cold stuff for the rest of the day. Basically I am at a loss how to avoid eating lunch everyday.

Any additional tips for good take away snacks / lunch food for more variety? Also I am a bit worried about protein intake. I could get some BCAA or similar I suppose, but I'd rather have food than supplements.
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mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
May 23 2012 11:41 GMT
#425
On May 23 2012 09:49 Miyoshino wrote:
Compliance is everything. If you can't comply with a healthy diet, you are going to stay fat. There's no trick diets. But people are overweight or out of shape because they aren't doing what it takes to get in shape. So they need to change up their lifestyle. Not find out about some trick on the internet or buy into some diet fad that happens to be in vogue at the moment.

There's no trick. You either do it or you don't do it.


Eshlow wrote:
Diets that just focus on cutting calories do work, but if they have poor satiety they will have very low compliance. In weight loss, compliance is everything. Hence, why it's best to focus on "real foods" which are satiating, even if they have "high calories"


Why are we so hostile when we're agreeing on the same thing.
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JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 23 2012 12:19 GMT
#426
On May 23 2012 18:35 zatic wrote:
So next week I will move out of my kitchen equipped place and live in hotels again mo-fri and some weekends as well.

Over the past year I have lived on a loosely paleo-ish diet. Do you guys have any recommendations how to keep close to this as possible?

I'll have my standard hotel breakfast, which I guess is ok most of the time except for the quality I got used to.

Lunch is a big question to me now. I usually would skip lunch altogether and bring some fruits, coconut, dried meat, milk to work, and have a big meal at night.
Now for lunch I'll have a selection of more or less good asian, italian, greek, etc restaurants to choose from. Not looking forward to that at all.

At night I don't see myself going to eat out again. Normally what I would have at night in the hotel are my usual lunch snacks. But then again I can't live off just breakfast and cold stuff for the rest of the day. Basically I am at a loss how to avoid eating lunch everyday.

Any additional tips for good take away snacks / lunch food for more variety? Also I am a bit worried about protein intake. I could get some BCAA or similar I suppose, but I'd rather have food than supplements.


Buy a cheap hotplate, boil a dozen eggs at once, put them back in the fridge.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
May 23 2012 14:29 GMT
#427
On May 23 2012 20:41 mordek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 09:49 Miyoshino wrote:
Compliance is everything. If you can't comply with a healthy diet, you are going to stay fat. There's no trick diets. But people are overweight or out of shape because they aren't doing what it takes to get in shape. So they need to change up their lifestyle. Not find out about some trick on the internet or buy into some diet fad that happens to be in vogue at the moment.

There's no trick. You either do it or you don't do it.


Show nested quote +
Eshlow wrote:
Diets that just focus on cutting calories do work, but if they have poor satiety they will have very low compliance. In weight loss, compliance is everything. Hence, why it's best to focus on "real foods" which are satiating, even if they have "high calories"


Why are we so hostile when we're agreeing on the same thing.


Not sure... he's getting his panties in a bunch over eating nuts, when they wouldn't even make up a large part of the diet anyway. Bread/grain over nuts baffles me too.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15359 Posts
May 23 2012 15:41 GMT
#428
On May 23 2012 21:19 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 18:35 zatic wrote:
So next week I will move out of my kitchen equipped place and live in hotels again mo-fri and some weekends as well.

Over the past year I have lived on a loosely paleo-ish diet. Do you guys have any recommendations how to keep close to this as possible?

I'll have my standard hotel breakfast, which I guess is ok most of the time except for the quality I got used to.

Lunch is a big question to me now. I usually would skip lunch altogether and bring some fruits, coconut, dried meat, milk to work, and have a big meal at night.
Now for lunch I'll have a selection of more or less good asian, italian, greek, etc restaurants to choose from. Not looking forward to that at all.

At night I don't see myself going to eat out again. Normally what I would have at night in the hotel are my usual lunch snacks. But then again I can't live off just breakfast and cold stuff for the rest of the day. Basically I am at a loss how to avoid eating lunch everyday.

Any additional tips for good take away snacks / lunch food for more variety? Also I am a bit worried about protein intake. I could get some BCAA or similar I suppose, but I'd rather have food than supplements.

Buy a cheap hotplate, boil a dozen eggs at once, put them back in the fridge.

You mean cook stuff in the hotel room? I am not too sure about that haha but I guess I can look if that is feasible. Seems like an awful lot of logistics again
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
May 23 2012 16:03 GMT
#429
On May 23 2012 10:24 B-Roll wrote:
I have noticed at day 3 its been a lot easier to eat better. What are your opinions on skipping meals? Do you have any research that has been done on that? Last night I didn't even eat dinner, just wasn't in the mood for it.


alot of studies has been made on the subject and most of the conclusions are : the number of meals is irrelevant, as long as you eat enough calories and nutrients during the day you. Eating 2-3 meals a day isnt any less sufficient than eating 5 meals a day, eating many smaller meals just makes it easier to eat alot of proteins
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 23 2012 16:12 GMT
#430
On May 24 2012 00:41 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 21:19 JingleHell wrote:
On May 23 2012 18:35 zatic wrote:
So next week I will move out of my kitchen equipped place and live in hotels again mo-fri and some weekends as well.

Over the past year I have lived on a loosely paleo-ish diet. Do you guys have any recommendations how to keep close to this as possible?

I'll have my standard hotel breakfast, which I guess is ok most of the time except for the quality I got used to.

Lunch is a big question to me now. I usually would skip lunch altogether and bring some fruits, coconut, dried meat, milk to work, and have a big meal at night.
Now for lunch I'll have a selection of more or less good asian, italian, greek, etc restaurants to choose from. Not looking forward to that at all.

At night I don't see myself going to eat out again. Normally what I would have at night in the hotel are my usual lunch snacks. But then again I can't live off just breakfast and cold stuff for the rest of the day. Basically I am at a loss how to avoid eating lunch everyday.

Any additional tips for good take away snacks / lunch food for more variety? Also I am a bit worried about protein intake. I could get some BCAA or similar I suppose, but I'd rather have food than supplements.

Buy a cheap hotplate, boil a dozen eggs at once, put them back in the fridge.

You mean cook stuff in the hotel room? I am not too sure about that haha but I guess I can look if that is feasible. Seems like an awful lot of logistics again


Yeah, you can buy a cheap stovetop type burner. I used to keep one in my barracks room in the Army so I could cook shit that needed more than a microwave. If you're willing to get a little un-fancy, you can cook a lot of shit with just a couple of dishes.
Atreides
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2393 Posts
May 23 2012 17:50 GMT
#431
On May 24 2012 01:12 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 00:41 zatic wrote:
On May 23 2012 21:19 JingleHell wrote:
On May 23 2012 18:35 zatic wrote:
So next week I will move out of my kitchen equipped place and live in hotels again mo-fri and some weekends as well.

Over the past year I have lived on a loosely paleo-ish diet. Do you guys have any recommendations how to keep close to this as possible?

I'll have my standard hotel breakfast, which I guess is ok most of the time except for the quality I got used to.

Lunch is a big question to me now. I usually would skip lunch altogether and bring some fruits, coconut, dried meat, milk to work, and have a big meal at night.
Now for lunch I'll have a selection of more or less good asian, italian, greek, etc restaurants to choose from. Not looking forward to that at all.

At night I don't see myself going to eat out again. Normally what I would have at night in the hotel are my usual lunch snacks. But then again I can't live off just breakfast and cold stuff for the rest of the day. Basically I am at a loss how to avoid eating lunch everyday.

Any additional tips for good take away snacks / lunch food for more variety? Also I am a bit worried about protein intake. I could get some BCAA or similar I suppose, but I'd rather have food than supplements.

Buy a cheap hotplate, boil a dozen eggs at once, put them back in the fridge.

You mean cook stuff in the hotel room? I am not too sure about that haha but I guess I can look if that is feasible. Seems like an awful lot of logistics again


Yeah, you can buy a cheap stovetop type burner. I used to keep one in my barracks room in the Army so I could cook shit that needed more than a microwave. If you're willing to get a little un-fancy, you can cook a lot of shit with just a couple of dishes.


I've lived out of a hotel room long term before and it really sucks as far as cooking. Depends a lot on the hotel, but if you can get a decent toaster/convection/whatever you want to call it oven in there you can cook a LOT of stuff in a nice one of those.

It is true that with a single burner portable gas stove (there are lots of nice portable convenient ones) plus a little electric oven you can cook almost anything, BUT, I would highly recommend against the stove it in a hotel room. (I tried it, ) Its unfortunate because as it turns out you can eat really well with a single frying pan. (vegetable/meat/fish all day every day) An electric hotplate/frying pan is a better option in hotel, but I personally have never had one of those I liked cooking on much. Its pretty hard. Also depends if you are switching hotels constantly or in same room. (I had same room for 4-6 weeks at a time) If switching constantly convection oven too much of a pain and not feasible.

There isn't a good answer, if you are used to cooking 3 meals a day for yourself, (or want to) its REALLY hard to live in a hotel room without spending obscene amounts of money eating out.

P.S. Don't burn anything for god's sake, the standard "oops I set off smoke alarm while cooking" when you are at home becomes massive OHSHIT moment in a hotel room...
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 23 2012 18:33 GMT
#432
On May 24 2012 02:50 Atreides wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 01:12 JingleHell wrote:
On May 24 2012 00:41 zatic wrote:
On May 23 2012 21:19 JingleHell wrote:
On May 23 2012 18:35 zatic wrote:
So next week I will move out of my kitchen equipped place and live in hotels again mo-fri and some weekends as well.

Over the past year I have lived on a loosely paleo-ish diet. Do you guys have any recommendations how to keep close to this as possible?

I'll have my standard hotel breakfast, which I guess is ok most of the time except for the quality I got used to.

Lunch is a big question to me now. I usually would skip lunch altogether and bring some fruits, coconut, dried meat, milk to work, and have a big meal at night.
Now for lunch I'll have a selection of more or less good asian, italian, greek, etc restaurants to choose from. Not looking forward to that at all.

At night I don't see myself going to eat out again. Normally what I would have at night in the hotel are my usual lunch snacks. But then again I can't live off just breakfast and cold stuff for the rest of the day. Basically I am at a loss how to avoid eating lunch everyday.

Any additional tips for good take away snacks / lunch food for more variety? Also I am a bit worried about protein intake. I could get some BCAA or similar I suppose, but I'd rather have food than supplements.

Buy a cheap hotplate, boil a dozen eggs at once, put them back in the fridge.

You mean cook stuff in the hotel room? I am not too sure about that haha but I guess I can look if that is feasible. Seems like an awful lot of logistics again


Yeah, you can buy a cheap stovetop type burner. I used to keep one in my barracks room in the Army so I could cook shit that needed more than a microwave. If you're willing to get a little un-fancy, you can cook a lot of shit with just a couple of dishes.


I've lived out of a hotel room long term before and it really sucks as far as cooking. Depends a lot on the hotel, but if you can get a decent toaster/convection/whatever you want to call it oven in there you can cook a LOT of stuff in a nice one of those.

It is true that with a single burner portable gas stove (there are lots of nice portable convenient ones) plus a little electric oven you can cook almost anything, BUT, I would highly recommend against the stove it in a hotel room. (I tried it, ) Its unfortunate because as it turns out you can eat really well with a single frying pan. (vegetable/meat/fish all day every day) An electric hotplate/frying pan is a better option in hotel, but I personally have never had one of those I liked cooking on much. Its pretty hard. Also depends if you are switching hotels constantly or in same room. (I had same room for 4-6 weeks at a time) If switching constantly convection oven too much of a pain and not feasible.

There isn't a good answer, if you are used to cooking 3 meals a day for yourself, (or want to) its REALLY hard to live in a hotel room without spending obscene amounts of money eating out.

P.S. Don't burn anything for god's sake, the standard "oops I set off smoke alarm while cooking" when you are at home becomes massive OHSHIT moment in a hotel room...


Oh I meant the electric stovetop type burner, not some portable gas shit. Sorry if I was ambiguous. Yeah, no open fire in hotel rooms.
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15359 Posts
May 23 2012 18:39 GMT
#433
Yeah the portable gas burner wouldn't go well with airport security I believe :-D But I'll look into a light electric one. One frying pan is really all I need.

Unfortunately will be moving all the time yes, that's why I said logistics are going to be a pain. Consulting life
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15359 Posts
May 31 2012 12:03 GMT
#434
eshlow you mention with supplements you need to drink lots of water. What's the reasoning behind this?
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
May 31 2012 16:22 GMT
#435
On May 31 2012 21:03 zatic wrote:
eshlow you mention with supplements you need to drink lots of water. What's the reasoning behind this?


Only some.

If you're taking creatine or high protein diet in which the kidneys will eventually filter the nitrogen load as excretion of urea increases it's a good idea to drink enough water.

Not that there's a significant risk unless you're super dehydrated, but why not stay on the safe side and being hydrated is better for health anyway.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
KOVU
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark708 Posts
May 31 2012 17:53 GMT
#436
On June 01 2012 01:22 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 21:03 zatic wrote:
eshlow you mention with supplements you need to drink lots of water. What's the reasoning behind this?


Only some.

If you're taking creatine or high protein diet in which the kidneys will eventually filter the nitrogen load as excretion of urea increases it's a good idea to drink enough water.

Not that there's a significant risk unless you're super dehydrated, but why not stay on the safe side and being hydrated is better for health anyway.

How much should one drink per day? I have a really bad habit of drinking a ton of water, like 4-6liters a day. How bad is this overall? I love water and it makes me feel full on a cut
rEiGN~
Profile Joined September 2010
369 Posts
May 31 2012 18:03 GMT
#437
enough to make your piss relatively clear, I think
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
June 02 2012 11:16 GMT
#438
On June 01 2012 03:03 rEiGN~ wrote:
enough to make your piss relatively clear, I think


I would go with this for the most part.
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AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-03 23:56:32
June 03 2012 23:53 GMT
#439
since we are talking about pee....whenever I eat liver, my pee turns bright yellow. Is there a reason why?


edit: I'm guessing it's from an excess of B vitamins?

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Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
June 04 2012 00:14 GMT
#440
On June 04 2012 08:53 AoN.DimSum wrote:
since we are talking about pee....whenever I eat liver, my pee turns bright yellow. Is there a reason why?


edit: I'm guessing it's from an excess of B vitamins?



usually excess of vitamin B yeah
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