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thanks for the link, gonna try these out tonight
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On April 03 2013 14:22 selboN wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 14:13 decafchicken wrote:On March 31 2013 07:06 selboN wrote:On March 31 2013 05:20 ieatkids5 wrote:On March 30 2013 23:10 DreamChaser wrote: Hey first time posting in this area of TL. I go to "fitness" kickboxing about 4 days a week the classes are one hour (but im usually trying to do a minimum of two in a row). The class times go from 7:15-9:15, me and my friend usually end up going to the 8:15 and 9:15 class so by the time i am home its already 10:30ish or 11 if i decide to hang around my friends house after.
Now my question finally, i usually just tell my mom to leave me left overs of whatever she cooked for dinner the day of. It takes the range of Steak and rice to Pasta and chicken cutlet. I tell my friend this but he tells me i shouldn't be eating such heavy calorie food because im just wasting the work i just put in at the gym, i usually just Eat-->Shower--->Sleep. So i know my body is starving for food right after a workout and not eating nothing is pretty bad as well, so what food should i be aiming for after a late work out?
Also i usually work before the workouts so i rarely have time to try to eat a meal with enough time ahead to digest it and all that fun stuff. ive read that some people like to eat more carbs and veggies in the morning and daytime, and eat more "heavier" foods like proteins, meats, fats/oils in the evening. then again, i've read the opposite as well. my advice is: eat whatever you're most comfortable with. it really doesn't matter that much, if at all, when you eat, as long as you are eating healthily every day. btw, your friend's logic doesnt make much sense to me. you'll be "wasting" the workout at the gym even if you ate that same meal before the workout. the point is, you take in a number of calories each day. it doesn't matter if it's before or after going to the gym, you still take in a number of calories at some point during the day, and you some off at the gym. your net calorie intake (whether positive or negative), at the end of the day, is still the same. I don't have a problem with anything you said except the bolded part. I've always maintained your most important meal of the day is the 30 minutes AFTER your workout. Because of this I always take my shaker bottle with an already mixed shake that I drink immediately following my workout. Again, in my experience, net calorie intake hasn't been what has lead to gains (don't get me wrong more food is great), but timing of meals is also VERY important. Just my 2 cents. No offence but just because "you've maintained it" doesn't give it scientific credibility. I used to do the pre/post workout shakes and eating meals to "stoke the metabolism and maximize anabolicness" and all that other bullshit. Now i eat at 6am, noon, a snack if i'm lucky, and then dinner around 9pm. Somehow despite working out around 5-7pm i kept gaining. The resources available in your body and the ability to use them stay available much longer than your average muscle&fitness/tnation article or gymbro would lead you to believe. The only thing I was meaning by saying, "I've maintained it" is that it has been been the common denominator in my diet over the two years I've been working out. I didn't try to state a scientific claim, I was very specific that this was my opinion derived from my experience. It is nice that there are many resources available here that many gym vets have taken their time posting. The only purpose of any post I have made thus far is trying to give advice that has thus far worked for me. I will continue looking around and try to improve my diet and continue to push forward. Btw: fucking love your sig, that's my favorite episode(s) of south park haha thanks ^_^ I've had it for like five years and you're only the second person to mention it
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how the hell do you do side planks without losing balance. i have no idea what to do with my feet cause ill just topple to a side before i even get started do you need shoes to do this? cause resting on my bare ankles hurts like a mofo
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On April 03 2013 23:16 evilfatsh1t wrote: how the hell do you do side planks without losing balance. i have no idea what to do with my feet cause ill just topple to a side before i even get started do you need shoes to do this? cause resting on my bare ankles hurts like a mofo you mean this?
![[image loading]](http://www.yogajournal.com/media/originals/HP_202_Vasisthasana_248.jpg)
it shouldn't be hurting even without shoes... are you putting your weight on your heel? or on the bone that juts out above your heel? when i do side planks, i put my weight on the entire length of my foot that touches the ground. maybe you just gotta do them more to develop your muscles (you did say you can't even maintain a side plank because of balance). have you tried doing a side plank by resting your forearm down instead of just you palms, and/or using both feet instead of one? like this guy:
![[image loading]](http://chadwaterbury.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/fa-side-plank-cr.jpg)
this could be a good way to progress if you have trouble doing the regular side plank.
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On March 29 2013 06:21 ieatkids5 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 04:32 randommuch wrote: Hey TL, So as of now I'm 5'8" and 150 lbs; don't have an abnormally large frame but my shoulders are a lot broader than most my height. By the start of June I'm trying to get to 140 lbs as I figure that's an ok goal for someone my size (looking for a more lean look than muscular). I've been doing 30-60 minutes of cardio at least 3-4 times a week on top of skating a couple miles a day along with keeping my calorie intake somewhere between 1500-1800 each day.
My problem is though I can't seem to lose any more weight. I've been stuck at 150 for around a week, week and a half now. Should I cut out more calories? My diet consists of a whole wheat bagels with cream cheese, a bowl of whole grain oat cereal with hemp seed in it (yay for complete proteins), a lot of variety of fruits, some veggies, and some orange juice thrown in there for when I start getting sick of water. Occasionally I'll switch something out with a bowl of oatmeal or a whole wheat pb&j but it's a rarity. Any ideas on how to get that last 10 lbs gone? I can't personally see any thing wrong with what I'm eating or doing but I'm open to anyone's dietary/exercise expertise
as mordek said, you sound like you're eating a ton of carbs. of course, check the nutrition thread - that'll definitely answer your questions, but here's a quick summary of things you should do: - try eating more meats, veggies, fat, eggs, a bit of fruit, instead of all those grains and carbs - cut out anything that has a lot of sugar in it (orange juice, pb and j, oatmeal if your oatmeal is one of those sugary kinds) - lift heavy weights in addition to that cardio. i know you're going for a lean look, but lifting weights (high intensity, medium/high frequency, low volume) will not make you look huge. it will help you look more defined, give you that "toned" look (btw i know TLHF hates the word "toned," but it does carry the meaning of what this guy wants). building a bit of muscle will help you use up those calories too. it wont drop your weight, but it will decrease your bodyfat percentage (basically turn your fat into muscle and make you look lean) - OR do high intensity interval training instead of medium/low inensity cardio.
I've cut out just about all grains in my diet to see how it's affecting me. Cut out a lot of the juices too including OJ; I was reading that the concentrate juices even if 100% are barely nutritional and are just loaded with sugar (I love OJ too :/ ). Been eating a good variety of fruits and veggies now, got some bell peppers and cucumbers and apples and what not; i've actually been feeling pretty good lately. Every other day or so I've been getting some scrambled eggs and every so often get some potatoes thrown in with em whenever I'm feeling a little fatigued; brings me right back up. The school here also offers smoothies. No bullshit juice stuff with them either. They have fruit constantly being cut up and ready to go so I've been getting a variety of these once or twice a day. They even offer protein boosters; I've tried it but haven't really noticed much of a difference.
I've also been doing some sit-ups and relatively basic core like workouts. Found out it doesn't really give me any issues if I take it pretty slow so it's been nice to be able to do something other than cardio.
Going in the right direction? Shaved another pound off but I feel like this might be because I got my hair cut lol.
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On April 03 2013 09:36 selboN wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2013 07:23 Thor.Rush wrote: Actually the timing of meals is fairly unimportant. I use to eat 6 meals per day and time them perfectly, until I learned this was completely unnecessary. It's really difficult to find the right information on the internet when there are so many opinions on fitness stuff. I do however take a protein shake after every workout just to be 'safe', but it is not scientifically proven that consuming a shake 30 min after is more beneficial than consuming 2 hours after for example. Yes, you go 'catabolic'..happens when you sleep too..won't make a difference in the long run.
I can give another example regarding the post-workout. The popular thing to do is to consume carbs after the workout to replenish your glycogen. Other people say this is completely wrong because 25-30 minutes after working out, your natural growth hormone level is at its peak, and the carbs bring the GH levels down. Anyway, all this 'broscience' is of little importance unless you're competing for a Mr. Olympia, where all these potentially minute advantages may add up to something.
TL;DR: Just eat good, forget the broscience. That's interesting. How well has your current diet/workout scheme been working? I've never at any point in my weight lifting career (only ~2 years) eaten 6 meals per day. I'm not entirely sure what you mean by timing all of them correctly. I was directing my advice more towards I make sure I eat soon after I wake up in the morning and make 100% sure I drink my shake following my workout. Other than that I eat 3 solid meals a day and snack throughout. So far it has worked out great. But, everyone's body is different.
there is a common myth in the fitness (and especially in the bodybuilding) world that one should eat roughly 6 meals or every 3 hours I think it was to "stoke the metabolism" iirc the thinking behind this is/was that you "fuel" your body six times a day so the metabolism keeps working and burning calories throughout the day. and if the body doesnt get food for longer than 3 hours or so it would just somehow forget to work and not burn calories at all (or even worse it will destroy all the muscles you worked so hard to build because it has no fuel to function zomgz!!) this has been disproven plenty of times but somehow this myth keeps hanging around and you read it alot and often sadly.
btw studies have also shown that eating breakfast is not really necessary. in fact, there is some evidence that suggests that fasting for 16 hours every day may even be healthy (see: www.leangains.com) but if it works for you which it clearly has then by all means do it as you said, everyone is different.
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On April 04 2013 13:53 randommuch wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 06:21 ieatkids5 wrote:On March 29 2013 04:32 randommuch wrote: Hey TL, So as of now I'm 5'8" and 150 lbs; don't have an abnormally large frame but my shoulders are a lot broader than most my height. By the start of June I'm trying to get to 140 lbs as I figure that's an ok goal for someone my size (looking for a more lean look than muscular). I've been doing 30-60 minutes of cardio at least 3-4 times a week on top of skating a couple miles a day along with keeping my calorie intake somewhere between 1500-1800 each day.
My problem is though I can't seem to lose any more weight. I've been stuck at 150 for around a week, week and a half now. Should I cut out more calories? My diet consists of a whole wheat bagels with cream cheese, a bowl of whole grain oat cereal with hemp seed in it (yay for complete proteins), a lot of variety of fruits, some veggies, and some orange juice thrown in there for when I start getting sick of water. Occasionally I'll switch something out with a bowl of oatmeal or a whole wheat pb&j but it's a rarity. Any ideas on how to get that last 10 lbs gone? I can't personally see any thing wrong with what I'm eating or doing but I'm open to anyone's dietary/exercise expertise
as mordek said, you sound like you're eating a ton of carbs. of course, check the nutrition thread - that'll definitely answer your questions, but here's a quick summary of things you should do: - try eating more meats, veggies, fat, eggs, a bit of fruit, instead of all those grains and carbs - cut out anything that has a lot of sugar in it (orange juice, pb and j, oatmeal if your oatmeal is one of those sugary kinds) - lift heavy weights in addition to that cardio. i know you're going for a lean look, but lifting weights (high intensity, medium/high frequency, low volume) will not make you look huge. it will help you look more defined, give you that "toned" look (btw i know TLHF hates the word "toned," but it does carry the meaning of what this guy wants). building a bit of muscle will help you use up those calories too. it wont drop your weight, but it will decrease your bodyfat percentage (basically turn your fat into muscle and make you look lean) - OR do high intensity interval training instead of medium/low inensity cardio. I've cut out just about all grains in my diet to see how it's affecting me. Cut out a lot of the juices too including OJ; I was reading that the concentrate juices even if 100% are barely nutritional and are just loaded with sugar (I love OJ too :/ ). Been eating a good variety of fruits and veggies now, got some bell peppers and cucumbers and apples and what not; i've actually been feeling pretty good lately. Every other day or so I've been getting some scrambled eggs and every so often get some potatoes thrown in with em whenever I'm feeling a little fatigued; brings me right back up. The school here also offers smoothies. No bullshit juice stuff with them either. They have fruit constantly being cut up and ready to go so I've been getting a variety of these once or twice a day. They even offer protein boosters; I've tried it but haven't really noticed much of a difference. I've also been doing some sit-ups and relatively basic core like workouts. Found out it doesn't really give me any issues if I take it pretty slow so it's been nice to be able to do something other than cardio. Going in the right direction? Shaved another pound off but I feel like this might be because I got my hair cut lol. Sounds like you're doing great! Cutting grains and sugar is the simplest way to massively improve your diet. Keep us updated on the progress.
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when i bench press, do i bring the barbell down to my chest so it almost touches? I think i might have been doing it wrong x_x
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On April 07 2013 06:04 Kenpachi wrote: when i bench press, do i bring the barbell down to my chest so it almost touches? I think i might have been doing it wrong x_x
If you bench correctly it should hit you just below your chest, on the top of your stomach. And yes, go down until it touches. Full range of motion.
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On April 04 2013 21:36 Zafrumi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 09:36 selboN wrote:On March 31 2013 07:23 Thor.Rush wrote: Actually the timing of meals is fairly unimportant. I use to eat 6 meals per day and time them perfectly, until I learned this was completely unnecessary. It's really difficult to find the right information on the internet when there are so many opinions on fitness stuff. I do however take a protein shake after every workout just to be 'safe', but it is not scientifically proven that consuming a shake 30 min after is more beneficial than consuming 2 hours after for example. Yes, you go 'catabolic'..happens when you sleep too..won't make a difference in the long run.
I can give another example regarding the post-workout. The popular thing to do is to consume carbs after the workout to replenish your glycogen. Other people say this is completely wrong because 25-30 minutes after working out, your natural growth hormone level is at its peak, and the carbs bring the GH levels down. Anyway, all this 'broscience' is of little importance unless you're competing for a Mr. Olympia, where all these potentially minute advantages may add up to something.
TL;DR: Just eat good, forget the broscience. That's interesting. How well has your current diet/workout scheme been working? I've never at any point in my weight lifting career (only ~2 years) eaten 6 meals per day. I'm not entirely sure what you mean by timing all of them correctly. I was directing my advice more towards I make sure I eat soon after I wake up in the morning and make 100% sure I drink my shake following my workout. Other than that I eat 3 solid meals a day and snack throughout. So far it has worked out great. But, everyone's body is different. there is a common myth in the fitness (and especially in the bodybuilding) world that one should eat roughly 6 meals or every 3 hours I think it was to "stoke the metabolism" iirc the thinking behind this is/was that you "fuel" your body six times a day so the metabolism keeps working and burning calories throughout the day. and if the body doesnt get food for longer than 3 hours or so it would just somehow forget to work and not burn calories at all (or even worse it will destroy all the muscles you worked so hard to build because it has no fuel to function zomgz!!) this has been disproven plenty of times but somehow this myth keeps hanging around and you read it alot and often sadly. btw studies have also shown that eating breakfast is not really necessary. in fact, there is some evidence that suggests that fasting for 16 hours every day may even be healthy (see: www.leangains.com)but if it works for you which it clearly has then by all means do it  as you said, everyone is different.
So it doesn't help?
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It can help you take in more food.
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On April 07 2013 09:54 Chunhyang wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 21:36 Zafrumi wrote:On April 03 2013 09:36 selboN wrote:On March 31 2013 07:23 Thor.Rush wrote: Actually the timing of meals is fairly unimportant. I use to eat 6 meals per day and time them perfectly, until I learned this was completely unnecessary. It's really difficult to find the right information on the internet when there are so many opinions on fitness stuff. I do however take a protein shake after every workout just to be 'safe', but it is not scientifically proven that consuming a shake 30 min after is more beneficial than consuming 2 hours after for example. Yes, you go 'catabolic'..happens when you sleep too..won't make a difference in the long run.
I can give another example regarding the post-workout. The popular thing to do is to consume carbs after the workout to replenish your glycogen. Other people say this is completely wrong because 25-30 minutes after working out, your natural growth hormone level is at its peak, and the carbs bring the GH levels down. Anyway, all this 'broscience' is of little importance unless you're competing for a Mr. Olympia, where all these potentially minute advantages may add up to something.
TL;DR: Just eat good, forget the broscience. That's interesting. How well has your current diet/workout scheme been working? I've never at any point in my weight lifting career (only ~2 years) eaten 6 meals per day. I'm not entirely sure what you mean by timing all of them correctly. I was directing my advice more towards I make sure I eat soon after I wake up in the morning and make 100% sure I drink my shake following my workout. Other than that I eat 3 solid meals a day and snack throughout. So far it has worked out great. But, everyone's body is different. there is a common myth in the fitness (and especially in the bodybuilding) world that one should eat roughly 6 meals or every 3 hours I think it was to "stoke the metabolism" iirc the thinking behind this is/was that you "fuel" your body six times a day so the metabolism keeps working and burning calories throughout the day. and if the body doesnt get food for longer than 3 hours or so it would just somehow forget to work and not burn calories at all (or even worse it will destroy all the muscles you worked so hard to build because it has no fuel to function zomgz!!) this has been disproven plenty of times but somehow this myth keeps hanging around and you read it alot and often sadly. btw studies have also shown that eating breakfast is not really necessary. in fact, there is some evidence that suggests that fasting for 16 hours every day may even be healthy (see: www.leangains.com)but if it works for you which it clearly has then by all means do it  as you said, everyone is different. So it doesn't help?
If it helps, the difference is like 5-10%, which is minimal and often shouldn't be sweat over unless you're advanced level bodybuilder or something. But like thor.rush said, it can help you consume more food over time. Also, I'd imagine that it matters what your body is used to. If your body is used to eating one massive meal a day, then thats probably fine. If it's used to getting 4-6 meals a day, then switching it up may not bring the same effect immediately.
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On April 07 2013 08:44 shabby wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 06:04 Kenpachi wrote: when i bench press, do i bring the barbell down to my chest so it almost touches? I think i might have been doing it wrong x_x If you bench correctly it should hit you just below your chest, on the top of your stomach. And yes, go down until it touches. Full range of motion.
Yikes, that description sounds a bit wonky to me. Bar should touch across the nipple line, no?
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On April 09 2013 01:22 Vitruvian wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 08:44 shabby wrote:On April 07 2013 06:04 Kenpachi wrote: when i bench press, do i bring the barbell down to my chest so it almost touches? I think i might have been doing it wrong x_x If you bench correctly it should hit you just below your chest, on the top of your stomach. And yes, go down until it touches. Full range of motion. Yikes, that description sounds a bit wonky to me. Bar should touch across the nipple line, no? That entirely depends on your gripwidth. I would suggest you to watch Dave Tates "So you think you can bench?"-series and read the bench chapter of starting strength (just read the whole book, it's good)
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On April 09 2013 04:02 KOVU wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 01:22 Vitruvian wrote:On April 07 2013 08:44 shabby wrote:On April 07 2013 06:04 Kenpachi wrote: when i bench press, do i bring the barbell down to my chest so it almost touches? I think i might have been doing it wrong x_x If you bench correctly it should hit you just below your chest, on the top of your stomach. And yes, go down until it touches. Full range of motion. Yikes, that description sounds a bit wonky to me. Bar should touch across the nipple line, no? That entirely depends on your gripwidth. I would suggest you to watch Dave Tates "So you think you can bench?"-series and read the bench chapter of starting strength (just read the whole book, it's good)
Depends on the person, their build, the form they use in benching, and all those come from their goals.
Personally, yes I go to right below the pecs/above the abs with a moderate arch, very narrow grip, and my shoulders well tucked.
Important to note that dave tate's "so you think you can bench" form is powerlifting form, designed to just move the most weight - because he's a powerlifter. For me at least, trying to use that form just lead to shoulder problems.
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i need help with barbell rows to elaborate: what should i remember for when i do them cause I'm having a hard time getting the right form
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are you focusing on keeping your back straight (natural curvature) by tightening your core? and not just your lower back, also your abs and everything in your core.
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ah i think i was only tightening my back lol how low should i bend and my body should be parallel to the floor right?
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