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ieatkids5
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States4628 Posts
October 03 2012 22:23 GMT
#1981
won't SS/SL already work those muscles shown in that chart?
ultrakiss
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
97 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-04 01:52:36
October 04 2012 01:27 GMT
#1982
So I started SS 6 weeks ago (this week being the 6th). Im just trying to get a heads up on my progress and any suggestions. I didn't know where else to ask this type of stuff.

My lifts (beginning vs Current):
Bench: 135 ----> 165
Press: 75 -------> 105
Squat: 165 -----> 200
Deadlift: 245 ---> 295

*all 3x5 except DL for 1x5

I had to reset my squats halfway through because I had trouble figuring out low bar squats for a while (no posterior chain/doing basically hi bar). Military Press is getting really tough and my bench got stuck at 165 last session (only got 4,4,4). I also have been doing weighted dips and wide grip pullups instead of power cleans because I have noone to show me how right now.

As far as nutrition goes, I've been eating between 2100-2300 calories a day, but I'm only 5'6" and i only weigh 145 (about). My basal metabolism only comes out to be like 1700 so im still at a surplus I think? I feel like I've gained some chub too (lost my ab visibility pretty much entirely haha) but IDK if thats just because I stopped running and playing basketball to focus on bulking. I'd say Ive gained between 1-3 pounds since I've started. My protein has been almost always above 150g though.

How is my progress? What should I change and what am I doing wrong/right so far? I feel like my lifts should be doing better but IDK. Also, its tough to really push myself on the bench without a spotter. What should I do if I can't find one (I feel like thats holding me back).
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
October 04 2012 01:56 GMT
#1983
Yes, Starting Strength would work, lol
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mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
October 04 2012 02:12 GMT
#1984
Well his words were he doesn't care about strength gains or hypertrophy, strictly injury prevention.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
ieatkids5
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States4628 Posts
October 04 2012 05:42 GMT
#1985
mordek,
hmm... what exactly is exercising for "injury prevention"? does it mean you want to be able to develop muscles that aren't often used so that if you happen to suddenly play a sport or make an action that isn't normally done, you won't pull something?

ultrakiss,
if you're benching without a spotter, you could always do the "roll of shame" (look it up on youtube) ifyou cant get the bar back up to the rack. but i think erring on the side of safety is always better, especially if you don't have a spotter.

Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
October 04 2012 10:12 GMT
#1986
On October 04 2012 10:27 ultrakiss wrote:
So I started SS 6 weeks ago (this week being the 6th). Im just trying to get a heads up on my progress and any suggestions. I didn't know where else to ask this type of stuff.

My lifts (beginning vs Current):
Bench: 135 ----> 165
Press: 75 -------> 105
Squat: 165 -----> 200
Deadlift: 245 ---> 295

*all 3x5 except DL for 1x5

I had to reset my squats halfway through because I had trouble figuring out low bar squats for a while (no posterior chain/doing basically hi bar). Military Press is getting really tough and my bench got stuck at 165 last session (only got 4,4,4). I also have been doing weighted dips and wide grip pullups instead of power cleans because I have noone to show me how right now.

As far as nutrition goes, I've been eating between 2100-2300 calories a day, but I'm only 5'6" and i only weigh 145 (about). My basal metabolism only comes out to be like 1700 so im still at a surplus I think? I feel like I've gained some chub too (lost my ab visibility pretty much entirely haha) but IDK if thats just because I stopped running and playing basketball to focus on bulking. I'd say Ive gained between 1-3 pounds since I've started. My protein has been almost always above 150g though.

How is my progress? What should I change and what am I doing wrong/right so far? I feel like my lifts should be doing better but IDK. Also, its tough to really push myself on the bench without a spotter. What should I do if I can't find one (I feel like thats holding me back).

To be honest, you're doing insanely well. I assume you started with a reasonable base of strength? I started with no strength and it took me about 6 months to do a bodyweight bench the first time. Also, a 2xBW deadlift is pretty damn big, that probably took me around 9 months to achieve.

Just in terms of progress, you're also doing really well. Deadlift has increased by 50lb in 6 weeks, which is 8lbs a week, which is really, really good. The same goes for all your other lifts. You're not seeing perfectly linear gains because you're starting with a reasonable base of strength, but the gains you are seeing are awesome considering where you started. To be honest, I'd be a tiny bit concerned that you're improving too quickly at the moment and that your technique is suffering as a result. So don't worry, as long as your technique is still solid you're doing great.
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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
October 04 2012 11:20 GMT
#1987
A mate of my at uni does nothing but hypertrophy. He does look really fucking good though, better than me even though I deadlift 50kg~ more than him. I'm currently on 5/3/1 + BBB, I'm three weeks into my first month. Would you recommend that I follow through with 5/3/1 for 10 more weeks if I just want to look bigger? He has a lot more mass, and I'd like to gain some. Don't care that much about strength anymore tbh.

Q: Should I continue 53/1/ BBB if I just want to gain mass? Or would I be better off doing a hypertrophy split?
Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
kastoob
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia153 Posts
October 04 2012 11:55 GMT
#1988
What do you think of this?: http://www.jimwendler.com/2012/09/531-and-bodybuilding/
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
October 04 2012 12:22 GMT
#1989
On October 04 2012 11:12 mordek wrote:
Well his words were he doesn't care about strength gains or hypertrophy, strictly injury prevention.


He should skip weights and ride a bike for exercise instead. If he's not interested in the main things you do with weights, and just wants exercise without hurting himself, a bicycle seems better.
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-04 12:55:08
October 04 2012 12:45 GMT
#1990
On October 04 2012 20:55 kastoob wrote:
What do you think of this?: http://www.jimwendler.com/2012/09/531-and-bodybuilding/

Looks perfect; does anybody have experience with this? Seems like I have to eat like a motherfucker to keep up with the load, though.

Would this allow me to make the hypertrophy gains a pure hypertrophy split would?
Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
October 04 2012 13:25 GMT
#1991
On October 04 2012 21:22 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 11:12 mordek wrote:
Well his words were he doesn't care about strength gains or hypertrophy, strictly injury prevention.


He should skip weights and ride a bike for exercise instead. If he's not interested in the main things you do with weights, and just wants exercise without hurting himself, a bicycle seems better.

The idea was he plays basketball/soccer/volleyball regularly throughout the week and wants to anything that would be "preventive". I gave him those 4 exercises and told him to fit in as much of SS as he can with time constraints. Stronger muscles makes for safer joints anyways. Thanks everyone.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
October 04 2012 16:34 GMT
#1992
On October 04 2012 22:25 mordek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 21:22 JingleHell wrote:
On October 04 2012 11:12 mordek wrote:
Well his words were he doesn't care about strength gains or hypertrophy, strictly injury prevention.


He should skip weights and ride a bike for exercise instead. If he's not interested in the main things you do with weights, and just wants exercise without hurting himself, a bicycle seems better.

The idea was he plays basketball/soccer/volleyball regularly throughout the week and wants to anything that would be "preventive". I gave him those 4 exercises and told him to fit in as much of SS as he can with time constraints. Stronger muscles makes for safer joints anyways. Thanks everyone.

If he can squat 200kg, that means his body (joints included) is able to withstand that load which prevents injury. His focus should be on perfect form rather than progress but I don't see much difference otherwise.
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ultrakiss
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
97 Posts
October 04 2012 17:20 GMT
#1993
Thanks Daigomi. I appreciate the encouragement

Yeah, I'm not going to lie I have been lifting on and off and I'm usually pretty active in sports and stuff so my strength base is probably good relative to my size. Still, this is my first attempt at a full body powerlifting type routine. The linear gains thing you mentioned is a good point and definitely puts me more at ease.

What about my nutrition? Also the fact that I changed out power cleans for weighted dips and pullups?

Ieatkids5, I looked up the roll of shame. It didn't look nearly as bad as I thought it would haha so I guess I might end up giving it a try cuz I really wanna push for that last rep. Thanks!
ieatkids5
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States4628 Posts
October 04 2012 17:45 GMT
#1994
On October 04 2012 22:25 mordek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 21:22 JingleHell wrote:
On October 04 2012 11:12 mordek wrote:
Well his words were he doesn't care about strength gains or hypertrophy, strictly injury prevention.


He should skip weights and ride a bike for exercise instead. If he's not interested in the main things you do with weights, and just wants exercise without hurting himself, a bicycle seems better.

The idea was he plays basketball/soccer/volleyball regularly throughout the week and wants to anything that would be "preventive". I gave him those 4 exercises and told him to fit in as much of SS as he can with time constraints. Stronger muscles makes for safer joints anyways. Thanks everyone.

bodyweight exercises could be a good alternative to SS for strengthening the upper body.
Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
October 04 2012 19:26 GMT
#1995
On October 05 2012 02:20 ultrakiss wrote:
Thanks Daigomi. I appreciate the encouragement

Yeah, I'm not going to lie I have been lifting on and off and I'm usually pretty active in sports and stuff so my strength base is probably good relative to my size. Still, this is my first attempt at a full body powerlifting type routine. The linear gains thing you mentioned is a good point and definitely puts me more at ease.

What about my nutrition? Also the fact that I changed out power cleans for weighted dips and pullups?

Ieatkids5, I looked up the roll of shame. It didn't look nearly as bad as I thought it would haha so I guess I might end up giving it a try cuz I really wanna push for that last rep. Thanks!

Nutrition looks ok to me. I'm considerably bigger to you and my maintenace level is at around 2100, so your estimates sound completely fair.

Regarding the pull-ups, I actually also swapped out PCs for weighted chin/pull-ups for much the same reason. I know there are a few "proper" programs that do the same, so it's definitely fine. I'm not sure if you really need the dips though. IMO, dips are the bodyweight equivalent of bench, so as long as you're doing that, you don't need the dips.
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Ko1tz
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
France493 Posts
October 04 2012 20:16 GMT
#1996
Where do I even start...I have marfan's syndrome, I'm by nature very skinny, thankfully I'm not extremely tall as most people with this syndrom are (1.76m / 5'something, not really sure) and I was told by my doctors that I have to gain muscle in order to keep my back straight and strong enough to carry my weight (I have a scoliosis aswell). BUT, here come the problems, gym is a no-no for me since I have heart problems, I have no idea what I can do.

What can I do? The only thing I can do is to use small 1 or 2 pound weighs and do infinity repetitions. Does that even work?
And finally, are Martial Arts a good alternative? I was wanting to get into Kung Fu and Tai Chi for a while and I wanted to know if those actually help.

Thanks in advance! hopefully there will be other members in the same boat as me.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
October 04 2012 20:24 GMT
#1997
On October 05 2012 05:16 Ko1tz wrote:
Where do I even start...I have marfan's syndrome, I'm by nature very skinny, thankfully I'm not extremely tall as most people with this syndrom are (1.76m / 5'something, not really sure) and I was told by my doctors that I have to gain muscle in order to keep my back straight and strong enough to carry my weight (I have a scoliosis aswell). BUT, here come the problems, gym is a no-no for me since I have heart problems, I have no idea what I can do.

What can I do? The only thing I can do is to use small 1 or 2 pound weighs and do infinity repetitions. Does that even work?
And finally, are Martial Arts a good alternative? I was wanting to get into Kung Fu and Tai Chi for a while and I wanted to know if those actually help.

Thanks in advance! hopefully there will be other members in the same boat as me.


If you think weights will be bad for your heart, you've clearly got no clue how absurdly intense martial arts can be. Plenty of explosive twitch stuff, but worse, it's protracted, unlike weight lifting. Sure, the resistance is generally lower on an individual basis, but you're talking about (in sparring, competition, etc.) minutes at a time of repetitive, fast paced, explosive movements.

Mind you, this is coming from someone with severe crohn's and associated joint issues who does Tae Kwon Do, but my risks are potentially inconvenient, yours sound potentially fatal.

You're going to need to talk to your doctor about acceptable types of exercise. In your case, I might even consider yoga, bizarre as it sounds. It's good exercise, but not on the same level of intensity as a lot of other stuff. Maybe light swimming?
Ko1tz
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
France493 Posts
October 04 2012 20:36 GMT
#1998
On October 05 2012 05:24 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2012 05:16 Ko1tz wrote:
Where do I even start...I have marfan's syndrome, I'm by nature very skinny, thankfully I'm not extremely tall as most people with this syndrom are (1.76m / 5'something, not really sure) and I was told by my doctors that I have to gain muscle in order to keep my back straight and strong enough to carry my weight (I have a scoliosis aswell). BUT, here come the problems, gym is a no-no for me since I have heart problems, I have no idea what I can do.

What can I do? The only thing I can do is to use small 1 or 2 pound weighs and do infinity repetitions. Does that even work?
And finally, are Martial Arts a good alternative? I was wanting to get into Kung Fu and Tai Chi for a while and I wanted to know if those actually help.

Thanks in advance! hopefully there will be other members in the same boat as me.


If you think weights will be bad for your heart, you've clearly got no clue how absurdly intense martial arts can be. Plenty of explosive twitch stuff, but worse, it's protracted, unlike weight lifting. Sure, the resistance is generally lower on an individual basis, but you're talking about (in sparring, competition, etc.) minutes at a time of repetitive, fast paced, explosive movements.

Mind you, this is coming from someone with severe crohn's and associated joint issues who does Tae Kwon Do, but my risks are potentially inconvenient, yours sound potentially fatal.

You're going to need to talk to your doctor about acceptable types of exercise. In your case, I might even consider yoga, bizarre as it sounds. It's good exercise, but not on the same level of intensity as a lot of other stuff. Maybe light swimming?

They are indeed fatal. Aortic Dissection to be more precise.

I was told that Tai Chi (the non combat variant) was a great exercise since it improves breathing and posture, among other things. Light swimming might be the only option, I get extremely tired while doing it though, I barely exercise (since I'm terrified, not really sure what I can do and what I can't do. I'm extremely out of shape).

I'll go to the doctor this weekend so hopefully I'll be able to bring some more accurate description of everything.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
October 04 2012 20:39 GMT
#1999
On October 05 2012 05:36 Ko1tz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2012 05:24 JingleHell wrote:
On October 05 2012 05:16 Ko1tz wrote:
Where do I even start...I have marfan's syndrome, I'm by nature very skinny, thankfully I'm not extremely tall as most people with this syndrom are (1.76m / 5'something, not really sure) and I was told by my doctors that I have to gain muscle in order to keep my back straight and strong enough to carry my weight (I have a scoliosis aswell). BUT, here come the problems, gym is a no-no for me since I have heart problems, I have no idea what I can do.

What can I do? The only thing I can do is to use small 1 or 2 pound weighs and do infinity repetitions. Does that even work?
And finally, are Martial Arts a good alternative? I was wanting to get into Kung Fu and Tai Chi for a while and I wanted to know if those actually help.

Thanks in advance! hopefully there will be other members in the same boat as me.


If you think weights will be bad for your heart, you've clearly got no clue how absurdly intense martial arts can be. Plenty of explosive twitch stuff, but worse, it's protracted, unlike weight lifting. Sure, the resistance is generally lower on an individual basis, but you're talking about (in sparring, competition, etc.) minutes at a time of repetitive, fast paced, explosive movements.

Mind you, this is coming from someone with severe crohn's and associated joint issues who does Tae Kwon Do, but my risks are potentially inconvenient, yours sound potentially fatal.

You're going to need to talk to your doctor about acceptable types of exercise. In your case, I might even consider yoga, bizarre as it sounds. It's good exercise, but not on the same level of intensity as a lot of other stuff. Maybe light swimming?

They are indeed fatal. Aortic Dissection to be more precise.

I was told that Tai Chi (the non combat variant) was a great exercise since it improves breathing and posture, among other things. Light swimming might be the only option, I get extremely tired while doing it though, I barely exercise (since I'm terrified, not really sure what I can do and what I can't do. I'm extremely out of shape).

I'll go to the doctor this weekend so hopefully I'll be able to bring some more accurate description of everything.


Tai Chi, maybe, I don't do it so I don't know how intense it is. Most actually martial martial arts are probably too intense, though.
ieatkids5
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States4628 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-05 02:26:01
October 05 2012 02:25 GMT
#2000
Ko1tz maybe you can look into doing a routine composed of compound dynamic stretching for different parts of your body? it might be a good way to get your blood flowing while also being less intense than swimming. ask your doctor first, though, of course.
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