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hahaha i love rippetoe logic
"Usually, people just feel intimidated by anything that resembles a technical exercise and just would rather not do them. This is just being a pussy, and sets a bad precedent for the management of both training and life. I think the Starting Strength includes an understandable method for learning to power clean, and just in case it's not simple enough I rewrote it for the new book so that it is even simpler. You don't really need bumper plates to do them if you don't have access, so that doesn't wash either. They are in the program because an explosive movement is a valuable contribution to power production, and they make deadlifts get stronger faster.
Okay, you don't need a coach to learn power cleans, because we fixed things up so that you can learn them out of the book. And what exactly is the downside of trying to learn them and failing? Firing squad? The fucking bodybuilders making fun of you from the safety of the dumbbell rack? Loss of wages? Just try them before you decide you can't learn them without a coach."
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^Decaf
There was a speech my hs hockey coach loved to give in the weight room at the beginning of every year. Paraphrasing it went something like, "Speed is good but strength is better. Strength is good but power is best. Strength + Speed = explosive power. What's the point of catching a guy with speed if you can't knock him off the puck? D-men, what's the point of being able to check like an ox if you're too slow and put yourself out of position doing so? Everyone will work on strength and speed and everyone will develop power. I want all of you to backcheck like the wind and I want all of you to hit like ox."
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Great posts, the two above me.
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I'm having growing pains (well, that's what I"ve heard them called_ in both my legs right now. Wonder why it is. I've had them like all day 
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Can't stop. Roommates 21st birthday was last night, and i probably put back at least 15 beers + shots/mixed drinks and i'm still sore from monday. Despite my best efforts to thwart my ability to work out i managed to go 3 for 3 snatching 105kg. Really focused on dropping under the bar and its going to the slot a lot better. I think i still need to keep the bar a bit tighter to my body and really lock it out up top. At least i feel better after working out. Time to go keep celebrating (i feel so bad about this T_T, literally i've taken like 2 nights off in the past 10 days)
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Re-adjusting my goals for the progress that I've made in the past month on PP. Keeping it to short-term goals as I reach for my long-term goals.
Since starting PP last month I've put on 12 pounds and all of my core lifts have improved greatly. I'm seeing a little progress as far as muscle growth goes (legs have gained 2" already, must be the squats) but with strength, it's a huge increase from what I thought I was capable of.
Name: sawedust
Age: 23 || Height: 5'6" / 1.68m || Weight: 132lbs / 60kg
Starting Date: 03/01/11 || Goal Date: 08/31/11
Weight goals --
Reach 140 pounds by May 31. Reach 155 pounds by August 31.
Training goals --
Attain a 1RM of the following by the date posted:
Bench: 185lbs, 8/31 (current: 155lbs)
Squat: 225lbs, 8/31 (current: 205lbs)
Deadlift: 225lbs, 5/31 (current: 205 lbs)
Overhead Press: 135lbs, 8/31 (current: 105lbs)
Nutrition goals --
Keep on eating on gain weight. Maintain my schedule of eating five to six times a day, supplementing with weight gainers and homemade protein smoothies when needed.
Misc goals --
Staying motivated.
Thoughts, comments, and constructive criticism would be nice. Thanks in advance!
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gl sawedust.
and as a side note: strength training with low reps will not result in "big muscles", but rather make you strong as an ox. if you want to have swollen muscles, you should look into bodybuilding routines!
As my progress with SS is coming to an end (I'm finding it harder and harder to recover from squats/deadlifts in such short time), I'm looking into the possibility of learning olympic weightlifting from a coach this summer. but its damned hard to find something like that nearby wrote pretty much the only weightlifting club within reasonable distance an email, waiting for their response. I hope they take students because the next best option is like an hour drive away 
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Might as well post here if someone finds it interesting.
I'm born chronically thin, by the time I was 18 my weight was 103 pounds (47 kilo). By age 21 or so I contacted Anthony Ellis, a fitness expert specializing in "skinny" people. He basically told me everything I needed to know, and where I was suppose to look if I needed more information.
Now, after roughly 48 weeks of solid training and a diet consisting of 40% protein, 30% carb and 30% dietary fat my current weight is 160 pounds(72 kilo). My fat percentage between start and finish was 7% when I started, i am now currently at 9%, so that's a difference between 95 lean muscle mass before and 145 lean muscle mass now, roughly 50 lbs (22 kg) difference is muscle mass between then and now.
Considering my height I'll prolly stop at around 165 (75 kilo) since my goal was to find cloths that could fit me easy, which it is if you fit medium sizes (they are the most common). If I go beyond 165 pounds I'll be forced to wear large sizes, which would make my goal obsolete 
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On April 28 2011 06:58 Zafrumi wrote:gl sawedust. and as a side note: strength training with low reps will not result in "big muscles", but rather make you strong as an ox. if you want to have swollen muscles, you should look into bodybuilding routines! As my progress with SS is coming to an end (I'm finding it harder and harder to recover from squats/deadlifts in such short time), I'm looking into the possibility of learning olympic weightlifting from a coach this summer. but its damned hard to find something like that nearby wrote pretty much the only weightlifting club within reasonable distance an email, waiting for their response. I hope they take students because the next best option is like an hour drive away
You can definitely get big on low reps. However you won't get the inflated muscles that bodybuilders have, you will pack on some muscle and it will look good.
Did you check the USAW find a club thingy?
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nice progress integra! you probably could have saved yourself some money though by just doing GOMAD and SS but good to see it worked out for you
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On April 28 2011 07:04 Integra wrote:Might as well post here if someone finds it interesting. I'm born chronically thin, by the time I was 18 my weight was 103 pounds (47 kilo). By age 21 or so I contacted Anthony Ellis, a fitness expert specializing in "skinny" people. He basically told me everything I needed to know, and where I was suppose to look if I needed more information. Now, after roughly 48 weeks of solid training and a diet consisting of 40% protein, 30% carb and 30% dietary fat my current weight is 160 pounds(72 kilo). My fat percentage between start and finish was 7% when I started, i am now currently at 9%, so that's a difference between 95 lean muscle mass before and 145 lean muscle mass now, roughly 50 lbs (22 kg) difference is muscle mass between then and now. Considering my height I'll prolly stop at around 165 (75 kilo) since my goal was to find cloths that could fit me easy, which it is if you fit medium sizes (they are the most common). If I go beyond 165 pounds I'll be forced to wear large sizes, which would make my goal obsolete
Lol, why stop at when your clothes start to fit you? It's so much more fun to go shopping for clothes that are kinda impossible to fit on you :D
Great job though! How have your strength gains been?
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On April 28 2011 07:06 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2011 06:58 Zafrumi wrote:gl sawedust. and as a side note: strength training with low reps will not result in "big muscles", but rather make you strong as an ox. if you want to have swollen muscles, you should look into bodybuilding routines! As my progress with SS is coming to an end (I'm finding it harder and harder to recover from squats/deadlifts in such short time), I'm looking into the possibility of learning olympic weightlifting from a coach this summer. but its damned hard to find something like that nearby wrote pretty much the only weightlifting club within reasonable distance an email, waiting for their response. I hope they take students because the next best option is like an hour drive away You can definitely get big on low reps. However you won't get the inflated muscles that bodybuilders have, you will pack on some muscle and it will look good. Did you check the USAW find a club thingy?
yeah thats what I meant. muscles will grow as they get stronger, but not like in bodybuilders (but thats gay anyway :p)
well does the USAW thingy work outside the US? i'm guessing no
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Anyone live in chicago really near the loop?
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On April 28 2011 07:08 Zafrumi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2011 07:06 decafchicken wrote:On April 28 2011 06:58 Zafrumi wrote:gl sawedust. and as a side note: strength training with low reps will not result in "big muscles", but rather make you strong as an ox. if you want to have swollen muscles, you should look into bodybuilding routines! As my progress with SS is coming to an end (I'm finding it harder and harder to recover from squats/deadlifts in such short time), I'm looking into the possibility of learning olympic weightlifting from a coach this summer. but its damned hard to find something like that nearby wrote pretty much the only weightlifting club within reasonable distance an email, waiting for their response. I hope they take students because the next best option is like an hour drive away You can definitely get big on low reps. However you won't get the inflated muscles that bodybuilders have, you will pack on some muscle and it will look good. Did you check the USAW find a club thingy? yeah thats what I meant. muscles will grow as they get stronger, but not like in bodybuilders (but thats gay anyway :p) well does the USAW thingy work outside the US? i'm guessing no
If you want to have big muscles like a bodybuilder you have a) to get at least a little bit strong first, weak muscles won't grow much and bodybuilding routines are pretty mediocre for making you strong. I mean, that's basically the reason for the endless number of kids in the gym who have definition because of some beginner gains and weighing 120lb.
Choice b) would be steroids, then you can do some folk-dancing and will still grow.
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That's really concrete and solid advice. Cheers for posting that.
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On April 28 2011 02:16 decafchicken wrote:
hahaha i love rippetoe logic
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And what exactly is the downside of trying to learn them and failing? Firing squad? ."
hahahaha wow that's awesome.
Although people who are more concerned with physique probably should do barbell rows instead for teh gunz. It also drives deadlift progress, but drives bench progress as well.
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OK, I've thought about it a bit more and I think I have enough info now to start setting some goals and getting more specific.
Name/nick Brian/Lemonwalrus
Age: 23 || Height: 5'9" || Weight: 151 lbs
Starting Date: 4/26/11 Ending Date: 8/1/11
Weight goals: Won't be able to actually lift until I get home ~May 7th, so I will learn what I am currently capable of and set some goals based on that then.
I'm not going to be doing SS I think because I don't think it fits with my goals. I'm currently 151 lbs, which is a decent weight for my height/frame, but I'd like to be 160-170 by the end of this ~3 month period. Not a crazy amount of weight gain, but I think my body type right now is skinny and weak with the beginnings of an unattractively large gut. In order to get to that weight, while exercising, I'm probably going to need to put on 10lbs of muscle plus probably replace 5-10lbs of fat that I'm going to lose. As you can tell my goal isn't exactly to be the next WSM winner, but just to generally become stronger/more athletic and look/feel better. I'd also like to focus a bit on endurance as it is more in line with the activities I like to participate in.
Since I don't have weights till the 7th, I'm just going to focus on cardio till then, which shouldn't be all that bad since I am currently untrained and any increase in activity is going to be good for me atm. Also, I chose to start this the week before finals week...which probably wasn't a good idea, and I know that with the stress of finals I'm not going to be able to begin significantly improving my nutrition until the 7th as well. So I consider the time from now till the 7th sort of my pre-week where I am just getting through the initial soreness and whatnot of starting to work out again.
What I did yesterday was jumping jacks/pushups/crunches/squats with no weights, and my intention is to do the same every day till the 7th, slowly increasing the reps until my reps are overall 2.5 times what I was able to do on the first day. (Is this goal too ambitious/not ambitious enough for ~2 weeks?)
Then, once the 7th rolls around, I intend to weight train 3 times a week and cardio the other 4, probably running 2 days and doing the workout I've been doing this week the other 2. But this I am flexible with if someone more knowledgeable thinks it is a bad idea and needs to be adjusted.
So yeah, just looking for ideas on this plan I guess.
And I picked August 1st as my end date because I will probably be going on vacation around then if I can get off work, and the last day of my last college course ever (unless I go for a graduate degree some time down the road) will be August 4th, so the start of August just seemed like a good time for Lemonwalrus 2.0 to be unveiled.
And just to give you guys an idea why my plans might not be as ambitious as the rest of you, this summer I will be working ~40 hours a week, taking 4 courses, and attempting to get back into drumming and golf, which are both rather time consuming hobbies, so I just don't think I'm going to have the time/energy to do too much more than 'get a bit more athletic'.
Well, this post ended up being hilariously long, sorry. Off to do my day 2 workout!
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^good luck, like you said, any exercise will do wonders for you at the moment. Keep it up.
On April 28 2011 09:00 Lemonwalrus wrote:
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So yeah, just looking for ideas on this plan I guess.
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On April 28 2011 09:22 Cambium wrote:^good luck, like you said, any exercise will do wonders for you at the moment. Keep it up. Show nested quote +On April 28 2011 09:00 Lemonwalrus wrote:
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So yeah, just looking for ideas on this plan I guess.
... Just a warning, about 10 people will tell you to get on SS
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