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AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 00:18:19
April 23 2011 00:10 GMT
#3861
axle bar looks hard! nice job sjarl!

This was suppose to be a double, i bitched out on 2nd rep
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
vicariouscheese
Profile Joined June 2010
United States589 Posts
April 23 2011 01:11 GMT
#3862
On April 23 2011 09:10 AoN.DimSum wrote:
axle bar looks hard! nice job sjarl!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJpEkAWJl_c&feature=feedu
This was suppose to be a double, i bitched out on 2nd rep


Pretty baller~

Today's workout:
102kg squat
86kg bench
120kg deadlift

Always feels awesome when you break records for every exercise in a day. Although I'm having a shitty friday and it didn't help as much as I would've hoped :/ No one else better be having a bad friday. I will throw a bar at you otherwise.
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
April 23 2011 01:47 GMT
#3863
And I'll need surgery this summer

sigh

in good news I'm going to start lifting t oday
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
April 23 2011 02:05 GMT
#3864
Wow you're sick dimsum :o



Good choice Froadac!
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
April 23 2011 02:12 GMT
#3865
On April 23 2011 11:05 Necosarius wrote:
Wow you're sick dimsum :o



Good choice Froadac!

Haha.

Require additional spinal fusion. Will blog about it tonight ><
Catch
Profile Joined September 2010
United States616 Posts
April 23 2011 06:57 GMT
#3866
On April 23 2011 08:41 sJarl wrote:
wtf on the batman cup?

I have to wear my chucks alot before they get comfortable. That is why I'm still using my 5-6 year old pair instead of my new one

Will see about wannabebig...TL H&F is just a much nicer place.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-709255094205177580#
Poor quality but eh.

Yeah, they're def weird to wear (used to arched soles) and I can't lift in em just yet cuz of the toe. Maybe in two weeks.

Anyway, wannabebig is a nice place... whenever you have multiple people totaling over 2000 in competitions, thats always a nice place lol. give it a shot.


Victory Loves Preparation
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
April 23 2011 07:00 GMT
#3867
i just played three hours of drunk wii boxing, really good back exercise actually
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
April 23 2011 07:02 GMT
#3868
Can someone explain a few things to me?

In regards to Overhead Press when's the best time to breathe in/out? According to Stronglifts they recommend:

Breathing. If you breathe at the top, you can bounce the bar off your chest making the next rep easier. Breathe at the bottom & you’ll press from a dead stop, making the next rep harder. The former allows more weight. The latter makes the exercise harder, making the former easier.


That suggests inhaling while you have the weight peaked overhead and exhaling while you're pushing the weight overhead, right?


Another thing I noticed while squatting tonight is that my wrists bend back. This hits me as completely wrong/poor form but how can I correct it? Move the bar higher up on my back? Move it lower on my back? Weight too heavy? I'm not sure, I tried loosening my grip on the bar to see if that it would help, but that just made my back loose and weak...
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 07:45:42
April 23 2011 07:43 GMT
#3869
On April 23 2011 16:02 nemY wrote:
Can someone explain a few things to me?

In regards to Overhead Press when's the best time to breathe in/out? According to Stronglifts they recommend:

Show nested quote +
Breathing. If you breathe at the top, you can bounce the bar off your chest making the next rep easier. Breathe at the bottom & you’ll press from a dead stop, making the next rep harder. The former allows more weight. The latter makes the exercise harder, making the former easier.


That suggests inhaling while you have the weight peaked overhead and exhaling while you're pushing the weight overhead, right?


Another thing I noticed while squatting tonight is that my wrists bend back. This hits me as completely wrong/poor form but how can I correct it? Move the bar higher up on my back? Move it lower on my back? Weight too heavy? I'm not sure, I tried loosening my grip on the bar to see if that it would help, but that just made my back loose and weak...


Don't breathe during the movement. Holding your breath allows you to build up more tension in your core, which helps stabilize the weight, and your back preventing injury, and allowing more weight to be moved.

I personally breathe just at the top; It does force a two second pause in between reps, and it's actually difficult to get a good breath in the last set, but it's just what works for me.

Wrists thing is possibly back/shoulder flexibility? If not that, then yeah it's probably bar position. Highbar or lowbar?
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
April 23 2011 07:47 GMT
#3870
On April 23 2011 16:02 nemY wrote:
Can someone explain a few things to me?

In regards to Overhead Press when's the best time to breathe in/out? According to Stronglifts they recommend:

Show nested quote +
Breathing. If you breathe at the top, you can bounce the bar off your chest making the next rep easier. Breathe at the bottom & you’ll press from a dead stop, making the next rep harder. The former allows more weight. The latter makes the exercise harder, making the former easier.


That suggests inhaling while you have the weight peaked overhead and exhaling while you're pushing the weight overhead, right?


Another thing I noticed while squatting tonight is that my wrists bend back. This hits me as completely wrong/poor form but how can I correct it? Move the bar higher up on my back? Move it lower on my back? Weight too heavy? I'm not sure, I tried loosening my grip on the bar to see if that it would help, but that just made my back loose and weak...


I inspire when descending/inspire when going up on deadlift, however on presses I would always exhale as I push the bar away. I don't think it matters that much when u inhale/exhale as long as u mantain constant ab tension; if ur mid section is tight pressing is easier (u can generate more tension and u press from a more stable base) plus u protect ur back. Also remember to pack your shoulders to avoid injury.

No clue about the squat thing.
Anabolicqt
Profile Joined March 2011
United States69 Posts
April 23 2011 08:38 GMT
#3871
On April 23 2011 16:43 phyre112 wrote:

Don't breathe during the movement. Holding your breath allows you to build up more tension in your core, which helps stabilize the weight, and your back preventing injury, and allowing more weight to be moved.



Be careful about telling people not to breathe during an exercise. While it may be true you can lift more weight you never know what level of lifter will read this. Put it in proper context.

Quote from an article



+ Show Spoiler +
Why Powerlifters Hold Their Breath and Why Weightlifters Shouldn?t....

The act of holding ones breath and exerting is called the Valsalva Maneuver. During this state you create an air ball in your abdominal region by forcing air against a closed windpipe. This is actually a survival response that stabilizes the body and prevents injury under CERTAIN circumstances. For instance, our Stone Age ancestors in the absence of modern tools lifted tremendous objects using this technique, but ONLY for a "FEW SECONDS". Notice that this description is more akin to power lifting and NOT BODYBUILDING. So essentially this is a technique to be used for a short period of time ranging only a few seconds. Beyond these few seconds the abdominal air ball pressing steadily on the vena cava (a major vein) begins restricting blood flow to the heart and significantly raising ones blood pressure. And there are possible SHORT term and LONG term Repercussions:

Glaucoma - Intraocular Pressure (eye pressure) increases significantly during the Valsalva Maneuver as compared to a breathing while exerting. And there is a connection between certain types of glaucoma and frequent changes in eye pressure. Therefore prolonged use of the Valsalva Maneuver for purposes other then that it is intended is not recommended.

Headaches/Migraines - Abrupt blood pressure changes in the head (via improper use of the Valsalva Maneuver) can induce this condition. It is not very pleasant. Just Breathe.

Ruptured Blood Vessels - Sustaining the Valsalva Maneuver can lead to blown vessels virtually anywhere they are present. The eyes and forehead are very susceptible. Once again is it worth it.

Fainting - This circumstance would arise when not enough oxygen flows through the body and to the brain. And yes, under certain conditions this could even be lethal.

So I will leave you with this. The Valsalva Maneuver can in fact help you lift heavier weights whether during regular Weight Lifting or Power Lifting. But understand its place and leave it where it belongs - IN THE WORLD OF POWERLIFTING. So remember, the next time your at the gym put your ego aside and show a greater regard for your own health. You and those around you will be safer for it.


Safety first.
Eat, Sleep, Lift......Repeat.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
April 23 2011 08:46 GMT
#3872
On April 23 2011 09:10 AoN.DimSum wrote:
axle bar looks hard! nice job sjarl!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJpEkAWJl_c&feature=feedu
This was suppose to be a double, i bitched out on 2nd rep



this is honestly the definition of beastmode. you are a beast. plain and simple.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
April 23 2011 09:09 GMT
#3873
Great job Dimsun and rofl on the vid Catch!
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 09:23:46
April 23 2011 09:22 GMT
#3874
On April 23 2011 17:38 Anabolicqt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2011 16:43 phyre112 wrote:

Don't breathe during the movement. Holding your breath allows you to build up more tension in your core, which helps stabilize the weight, and your back preventing injury, and allowing more weight to be moved.



Be careful about telling people not to breathe during an exercise. While it may be true you can lift more weight you never know what level of lifter will read this. Put it in proper context.

Quote from an article



+ Show Spoiler +
Why Powerlifters Hold Their Breath and Why Weightlifters Shouldn?t....

The act of holding ones breath and exerting is called the Valsalva Maneuver. During this state you create an air ball in your abdominal region by forcing air against a closed windpipe. This is actually a survival response that stabilizes the body and prevents injury under CERTAIN circumstances. For instance, our Stone Age ancestors in the absence of modern tools lifted tremendous objects using this technique, but ONLY for a "FEW SECONDS". Notice that this description is more akin to power lifting and NOT BODYBUILDING. So essentially this is a technique to be used for a short period of time ranging only a few seconds. Beyond these few seconds the abdominal air ball pressing steadily on the vena cava (a major vein) begins restricting blood flow to the heart and significantly raising ones blood pressure. And there are possible SHORT term and LONG term Repercussions:

Glaucoma - Intraocular Pressure (eye pressure) increases significantly during the Valsalva Maneuver as compared to a breathing while exerting. And there is a connection between certain types of glaucoma and frequent changes in eye pressure. Therefore prolonged use of the Valsalva Maneuver for purposes other then that it is intended is not recommended.

Headaches/Migraines - Abrupt blood pressure changes in the head (via improper use of the Valsalva Maneuver) can induce this condition. It is not very pleasant. Just Breathe.

Ruptured Blood Vessels - Sustaining the Valsalva Maneuver can lead to blown vessels virtually anywhere they are present. The eyes and forehead are very susceptible. Once again is it worth it.

Fainting - This circumstance would arise when not enough oxygen flows through the body and to the brain. And yes, under certain conditions this could even be lethal.

So I will leave you with this. The Valsalva Maneuver can in fact help you lift heavier weights whether during regular Weight Lifting or Power Lifting. But understand its place and leave it where it belongs - IN THE WORLD OF POWERLIFTING. So remember, the next time your at the gym put your ego aside and show a greater regard for your own health. You and those around you will be safer for it.


Safety first.


This is a pretty terrible article. The information is inaccurate and the chances of holding your breath in a lift actually having serious negative consequences are slim to none. On this matter, Rippetoe states...

The conventional wisdom is that this thoracic and abdominal pressure is also being applied to the cardiovascular system embedded in the trunk, and that the increase in pressure is being transmitted up the vascular column to the head, and that this increase in pressure has the potential to cause a cerebrovascular accident, such as a stroke or a blown aneurysm. This ignores the fact that the same pressure is being applied to the cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) in the spinal canal, which transmits pressure up through the subdural space in the skull and throughout the cranium, balancing cardiovascular pressure across the blood/brain interface (fig. 2-56). These opposing pressures remain in balance during the Valsalva maneuver, and the spinal support provided by the anterior thoraco-abdominal pressure is precisely why it is natural for us to do it when we lift or push. Fighter pilots perform the Valsalva when they are subjected to high G-forces in acrobatic maneuvers; the increased support maintains an open vascular column that supplies blood to the brain, so that consciousness can be salvaged under momentary high-G conditions that would otherwise cause a blackout
.

He also illustrates...

For the athlete using more than 5 lb. chrome dumbbells, it is far, far more likely that following the advice to "inhale on the way down and exhale on the way up" will actually cause an orthopedic injury than prevent a stroke.


And finally the actual statistics behind this...

The actual rates of cerebrovascular accidents (CVA) versus orthopedic injuries provide ample evidence that the greater risk is orthopedic. In Risser's 1990 study (Am J Dis Child. 144(9):1015-7,1990) of junior high and high school athletes from all sports, 7.6% of all athletes incurred injuries that kept them out of training for 7 days. The rate of injury from all causes was 0.082 injuries per training year; 74% of all injuries were simple sprains and strains, and 59% of all injuries were classified as back injuries.

In contrast, the death rate from cerebrovascular accident in 2004 was about 0.000512 deaths per year (150,074 total) for the entire population of the US (293 million in 2004). The rate of survivable CVA in 2004 was 895,000 incidents per year. So even if we compare the rates of orthopedic injury in a specialized small population engaging in exercise with the rate of CVA of the population of the entire United States, orthopedic injuries are still twenty-seven times more common than survivable strokes, and you are still ninety-four rimes as likely to hurt your back in sports as you are to die from a CVA if you don't even exercise.


Hold your damn breath when you lift heavy.
Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 13:08:58
April 23 2011 13:07 GMT
#3875
so this guy comes up to me today while I was front squatting and told me that my hamstrings and calfs should never touch while squatting because a) the weight bounces and I lose tension in the hamstring and b) it puts a ton of pressure on the tendons/sinews and will thus cause injury sooner or later.

I told him that I was just going as deep as possible and he said "yeah deep is good but its too deep"

was he right? dont have a video to explain it better, hope you guys know what you mean

(oh and I also deadliftet 157.5kg!)
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
April 23 2011 13:10 GMT
#3876
On April 23 2011 22:07 Zafrumi wrote:
so this guy comes up to me today while I was front squatting and told me that my hamstrings and calfs should never touch while squatting because a) the weight bounces and I lose tension on the hamstring and b) it puts a ton of pressure on the tendons/sinews and will thus cause injury sooner or later.

I told him that I was just going as deep as possible and he said "yeah deep is good but its too deep"

was he right? dont have a video to explain it better, hope you guys know what you mean

(oh and I also deadliftet 157.5kg!)


I think some of the hamstring touching the calf is inevitable if you hit a certain depth. Check this video:

Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 13:20:17
April 23 2011 13:17 GMT
#3877
I was going way deeper than that though.. probably like dimsum in his vid on the top of the page

maybe I just answered my own question. if dimsum is doing it, it cant be bad. right? :D
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
Michaelj
Profile Joined February 2008
United States186 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 15:24:59
April 23 2011 15:18 GMT
#3878
On April 23 2011 16:02 nemY wrote:
Can someone explain a few things to me?

In regards to Overhead Press when's the best time to breathe in/out? According to Stronglifts they recommend:

Show nested quote +
Breathing. If you breathe at the top, you can bounce the bar off your chest making the next rep easier. Breathe at the bottom & you’ll press from a dead stop, making the next rep harder. The former allows more weight. The latter makes the exercise harder, making the former easier.


That suggests inhaling while you have the weight peaked overhead and exhaling while you're pushing the weight overhead, right?


Another thing I noticed while squatting tonight is that my wrists bend back. This hits me as completely wrong/poor form but how can I correct it? Move the bar higher up on my back? Move it lower on my back? Weight too heavy? I'm not sure, I tried loosening my grip on the bar to see if that it would help, but that just made my back loose and weak...


I try hold my breath through the rep and breathe at the bottom. Sometimes I take an extra breath at the top. I just try to make sure I am holding breath while weights are in motion.

For the squat thing, try putting your thumb on top of the bar, and focusing on keeping wrist straight. You can try adjusting width of your grip as well. The thumb thing fixed my wrist bending for me, the barbell weight should be entirely on your back, not your wrist/elbow

Personal note: PRs on all 3 lifts today!
Squat: 118kg 3x5
Deadlift: 127kg 3x5
Bench: 77kg 3x5
---
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
April 23 2011 16:12 GMT
#3879
If you have high blood pressure (like serious hypertension) or heart issues you shouldn't valsalva........ otherwise have at it. Most people are safe with it.

If you're not losing tension at the bottom of front squat you can still touch and be fine. Touching is fine as long as you're not bouncing and losing tension
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
Levistus
Profile Joined December 2009
1134 Posts
April 23 2011 16:35 GMT
#3880
can i use the lat pulldown bar for chin ups? like chin ups width and chin ups hold position? cause i don't have a chin up bar.
hey man just curious
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