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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
April 22 2011 05:05 GMT
#3821
^I thought about buying them, but they are quite expensive

why don't you just lift barefoot, esp. if you are doing it in your own garage?
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-22 05:24:14
April 22 2011 05:06 GMT
#3822
Yeah chest up, look straight, pull your shoulders back and fully grip the bar. First movement is to move your hips backward like you are sitting down.

If you guys want to look at full extension. My friend just sent me these links :D

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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
April 22 2011 05:13 GMT
#3823
On April 22 2011 14:05 Cambium wrote:
^I thought about buying them, but they are quite expensive

why don't you just lift barefoot, esp. if you are doing it in your own garage?

You have any advice for me?

Just getting started
MajinMojo
Profile Joined October 2010
266 Posts
April 22 2011 05:31 GMT
#3824
On April 22 2011 14:05 Cambium wrote:
^I thought about buying them, but they are quite expensive

why don't you just lift barefoot, esp. if you are doing it in your own garage?


Well the way I figured it is I was very curious about barefoot running because I had been experiencing a lot of discomfort in my other running shoes that got so bad I eventually could barely walk in any pair of shoes I put on my feet. But I noticed that whenever I took my shoes off my feet felt fine. This motivated me to at least take a good look at quality running shoes and ultimately led me to barefoot running. As far as I'm concerned they are just as expensive (and often less so) than a high quality running shoe which I was in need of anyway.

As far as pure lifting or whatever yeah they are pricey but as I said I do get a lot of functionality out of them since I originally bought them for running and wound up using them for other things as well including lifting.
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-22 06:29:58
April 22 2011 06:25 GMT
#3825
I did my first full clean today.

I had 70kg on the bar, sat back for the first pull, extended my hip for the second pull, and got under the bar as quickly as possible. The bar landed in the perfect position and I front squatted it up.

70kg is of course light weight and I think that if my technique were right I could do at least 90 (at least it feels that way) but that felt awesome. I'm gonna keep inching my way up as my technique allows.

One problem I have though ... whenever I jerk a weight, no matter how small, I get a shooting pain in both of my shoulders. Today I tried to jerk 30kg, but it hurt like hell. I'm not all that interested in clean and jerking, but rather cleaning and snatching, but this is strange ... I think my shoulders may be holding my OHP back too considering I find it hard to fully extend my arms.
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
April 22 2011 07:00 GMT
#3826
On April 22 2011 14:13 Froadac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2011 14:05 Cambium wrote:
^I thought about buying them, but they are quite expensive

why don't you just lift barefoot, esp. if you are doing it in your own garage?

You have any advice for me?

Just getting started


Number one advice I can offer you is chill out bro. Not to sound harsh here, but in the past three days I think you might have half the posts put on this thread. Yes, lifting is serious and yes, if you do it wrong it can be bad for you. But at these weights, you are not going to injure yourself, and the best way to learn is by DOING.

That said, I'm watching your videos now.

Hard to tell exactly with a loose shirt like that, but your lower back arch seems to be failing in the bottom half of your squat. Concentrate on it; squeeze your abs as hard as you can to help you hold it, and continue stretching to get the flexibility. That will come soon enough. Seems to me like your weight might be a little far forward as well; the way you're standing I would say it's at best mid-foot when you start out, and shifts forward as you go down. This will cause your knees to travel forward, and make it harder to stop them from buckling in at higher weights. Knees traveling forward is HUGE when it comes to knee injuries, it's probably how I hurt mine. Sit back into the squat more rather than letting the knees go forward.

You're also doing them pretty low-bar. I've always done high bar, which would involve you putting the bar on your traps rather than your shoulders, and keeping the back as a whole more vertical. It requires more flexibility, and you can't use as much weight, but I like them better. This is personal preference of course. As someone else said, grip that bar. You shouldn't have a bent wrist when you're holding, and all your fingers should be on top of the bar, as that makes it easier to ditch if you fail a weight. I also like to pull hard against the bar for the whole motion of the squat, digging it into my own traps. Mostly a mental thing, but I almost feel like I'm "pulling" myself out of the bottom as well as pushing with my legs.

All that said, these are common issues, and they're not HUGe problems right now. You know what you need to do. You're going to be fine in learning how to squat if you just get up and start doing it bro. GL HF.

@Dimsum: Sick pics. And that's before I take a look at the bar and realize you're cleaning more than what you weigh like it's NBD.

Going to squat for the first time in a month tomorrow; my knees seem to have actually reacted positively to deadlifting. I'll keep it light, and worry about my form, but I'm absolutely going to do it.
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
April 22 2011 07:17 GMT
#3827
Hey guys. I'm currently having a dilemma that I hope you guys can help me out with.

I'm two weeks into Insanity and it's going great, my cardio is improving lots. But here's the thing: I need to bulk up and build muscle as well. My limbs are incredibly scrawny. I'm lifting free weights every other day. On one hand I want to lose the fat around my body, especially my gut (beer for the looose). On the other hand, I need to gain weight and bulk up my arms/shoulders. I feel like doing all this cardio is kind of counteracting the weight I'm trying to gain. Am I mistaken? But I don't want to stop Insanity because my cardio has been really bad. Before all of this I hadn't done any strenuous exercise for years.

Will I be able to fulfill my goal of losing fat yet bulking up if I continue what I am doing? For the record, I am also consuming whey protein and casein every day. I take the protein once after I wake up and once after my workout and I take the casein before I sleep.
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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
April 22 2011 07:29 GMT
#3828
Thanks a lot. I'm just paranoid after dealing with all this medical shit. Feedback is appreciated. I'll start with the ss format with the exception of sweeping as I have neither the equipment or physical capacity to do so. Also in general would it be good to join a gym. Although I have the equikment space is very limited. Finally in terms of diet I'm not sure what to do but I'll figure that out after at least a week of doing stuff unless if it is important to do so otherwise.
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
April 22 2011 07:32 GMT
#3829
^ I also noticed that your weight might be a tad forward towards your toes.

Was at the office for 14 hours today, couldn't even go to the gym @ lunch b/c I was making presentation slides for the VP for 5 hours straight. >_<

Wasn't going to let that get in my way - got to the gym near midnight anyways. Was pretty gassed but didn't give a shit.

M.Press - 105lbs (+5): 5-4-2
Power Clean - 145lbs(+15): 3-3-3-3-3 - I SERIOUSLY need proper shoes for this.
Push Press - 125lbs(+?): 2-2
BW Pull up - 4
BW Dips - 2
M.Press - 45lbs: 15

ate a left over sandwich in the car, got home and ate 2 pieces of chicken, now I'm going to drink tons of water, shower, and sleep.
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
April 22 2011 07:33 GMT
#3830
On April 22 2011 16:29 Froadac wrote:
Thanks a lot. I'm just paranoid after dealing with all this medical shit. Feedback is appreciated. I'll start with the ss format with the exception of sweeping as I have neither the equipment or physical capacity to do so. Also in general would it be good to join a gym. Although I have the equikment space is very limited. Finally in terms of diet I'm not sure what to do but I'll figure that out after at least a week of doing stuff unless if it is important to do so otherwise.


I'd say take out power cleans and replace them with bent rows for the first few times and see how your body reacts and grows. (I'd like to hear others' input on this as well)

As for space, I imagine you could move furniture in your room around and make some space? Any room in the garage? Attic? Basement?
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-22 09:58:59
April 22 2011 09:58 GMT
#3831
I agree with replacing power cleans with rows. Just safer and easier.

@DimSun: Great pics!

@Malinor: Shoulder issues are the worst, after knees

@Zafrumi: I only bench about 95kg but deadlift almost 200...silly imbalances and leverages.


ps. just found out that I've reached 2 of my 3 goals for the YEAR.

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"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
Levistus
Profile Joined December 2009
1134 Posts
April 22 2011 10:11 GMT
#3832
hey guys. what can i substitute for power cleans? i'm scared of doing them. i just lift at home and have wooden floor. i might mess up and slip one day. thanks
hey man just curious
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
April 22 2011 10:18 GMT
#3833
As we said: if you are doing SS then Barbell Rows are a good substitude.
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
Levistus
Profile Joined December 2009
1134 Posts
April 22 2011 10:36 GMT
#3834
On April 22 2011 19:18 sJarl wrote:
As we said: if you are doing SS then Barbell Rows are a good substitude.

thanks for the reply. should i be doing power cleans instead though? like take time to learn it so i can do them well? maybe i should just keep doing them at a lot lower weight.
hey man just curious
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
April 22 2011 11:39 GMT
#3835
If you are up to it: sure!

But keep in mind that they are very technical and really the only way to learn them properly without a coach involves alot of reading and experimenting with videos (checking your form etc)
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
Levistus
Profile Joined December 2009
1134 Posts
April 22 2011 12:22 GMT
#3836
btw do i have to feel sore next day after the workout? i don't feel anything in my chest. but i do feel something in my legs. they're not sore but they're like ticklish inside or like the muscles inside are itchy lol i have to keep shaking my legs cause of it.
hey man just curious
MajinMojo
Profile Joined October 2010
266 Posts
April 22 2011 12:23 GMT
#3837
On April 22 2011 16:17 Souma wrote:
Hey guys. I'm currently having a dilemma that I hope you guys can help me out with.

I'm two weeks into Insanity and it's going great, my cardio is improving lots. But here's the thing: I need to bulk up and build muscle as well. My limbs are incredibly scrawny. I'm lifting free weights every other day. On one hand I want to lose the fat around my body, especially my gut (beer for the looose). On the other hand, I need to gain weight and bulk up my arms/shoulders. I feel like doing all this cardio is kind of counteracting the weight I'm trying to gain. Am I mistaken? But I don't want to stop Insanity because my cardio has been really bad. Before all of this I hadn't done any strenuous exercise for years.

Will I be able to fulfill my goal of losing fat yet bulking up if I continue what I am doing? For the record, I am also consuming whey protein and casein every day. I take the protein once after I wake up and once after my workout and I take the casein before I sleep.


I found myself in a similar situation a few years ago. I can tell you from experience that I wish I had just started with the regular lifting programs outlined in this thread before doing any program like Insanity or in my case, P90X. Losing weight and fat was not a problem for me and I did wind up losing 30 pounds in 2 months. The only problem was that I kept losing it and was definitely not making the muscle gains I needed to by just doing body weight exercises. I finished the program just to say I got through it but although I had significantly less body fat I'd say I was disappointed by the overall results in terns of strength gain.

To put it this way; yes, I had muscle definition and was technically what you might call "ripped" but what was the point if I had so little muscle anyway? I just wound up looking awkward skinny, so I decided to lift because there is really no substitute for heavy resistance training. Short answer is no, you will probably never see the muscle gains and weight gains from a program like Insanity.

Not to demotivate you or anything and if you feel you are getting the fat loss you want through the program then great. But from my experience if your overall goal is to develop muscle while burning fat programs such as that are somewhat inefficient. In fact, it's very hard to do both things at the same time regardless of the program. If you do stick with the program and eat well you will probably come to realize (like I did) that cutting fat is actually not as hard as you may have at first thought, but bulking up with muscle is harder and takes more time. So if you aren't overly concerned with body fat for now then look into lifting for a few months before doing a shredding program like Insanity.
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-22 12:37:25
April 22 2011 12:37 GMT
#3838
I don't know if "insanity" og "p90x" is the best way to bulk up but it sure looks like great cardio.

I completely agree with you about the fact that bulking + cutting at the same time is inefficient but it is possible. You just need great recovery and loads of clean, nutritious food.

Also "lean" bulking is often the best way to look more muscular and less fat since you will just fill out better and not look fat while staying at the relative same bf%.

also: tl h&f > studying...
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
April 22 2011 13:24 GMT
#3839
On April 22 2011 21:22 Levistus wrote:
btw do i have to feel sore next day after the workout? i don't feel anything in my chest. but i do feel something in my legs. they're not sore but they're like ticklish inside or like the muscles inside are itchy lol i have to keep shaking my legs cause of it.

what part of PH do you live in? if you live in the metro i can point you to a good gym to help you get the form down.
"Thanks for the kind words, but if SS is the most interesting book you've ever read, you must have just started reading a couple of weeks ago." - Mark Rippetoe
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-22 13:31:07
April 22 2011 13:30 GMT
#3840
On April 22 2011 16:29 Froadac wrote:
Thanks a lot. I'm just paranoid after dealing with all this medical shit. Feedback is appreciated. I'll start with the ss format with the exception of sweeping as I have neither the equipment or physical capacity to do so. Also in general would it be good to join a gym. Although I have the equikment space is very limited. Finally in terms of diet I'm not sure what to do but I'll figure that out after at least a week of doing stuff unless if it is important to do so otherwise.

Don't worry if you can't do a proper squat without a barbel or with only the barbel. I find it way easier to squat when I have some weight on my back.


Awesome pics dimsum :D
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