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I think the serious applications I am getting know pretty well what they would be getting into.
And they appreciate the freedom I am offering, as mentioned before, you can work from anywhere, any time you like.
And 80 dollars per hour is a pipe dream, outside of business consulting.
On January 20 2014 08:04 one-one-one wrote:
Stay away from this!
25$ an hour while having no security of income during sickness, no holiday days included and no pension plan is a _very_ bad deal.
25$ an hour for doing qualified work like this would be a very poor salary even if the company would employ you directly.
To offset the risks and given that I would also be qualified for an employment with a decent salary I would charge at least 80$ / hour while also having a 1 month cancellation clause in a signed contract.
If you are a student or whatever and need some extra payment it could work, but as a full time job it is nothing but a scam.
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On January 20 2014 08:04 one-one-one wrote:
Stay away from this!
25$ an hour while having no security of income during sickness, no holiday days included and no pension plan is a _very_ bad deal.
25$ an hour for doing qualified work like this would be a very poor salary even if the company would employ you directly.
To offset the risks and given that I would also be qualified for an employment with a decent salary I would charge at least 80$ / hour while also having a 1 month cancellation clause in a signed contract.
If you are a student or whatever and need some extra payment it could work, but as a full time job it is nothing but a scam.
Because dude you're in Sweden. But in other countries, $15 per hour and working from home is a reasonable trade.
To OP, do you take folks from Asia as well?
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On January 21 2014 01:51 Raycab wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 08:04 one-one-one wrote:
Stay away from this!
25$ an hour while having no security of income during sickness, no holiday days included and no pension plan is a _very_ bad deal.
25$ an hour for doing qualified work like this would be a very poor salary even if the company would employ you directly.
To offset the risks and given that I would also be qualified for an employment with a decent salary I would charge at least 80$ / hour while also having a 1 month cancellation clause in a signed contract.
If you are a student or whatever and need some extra payment it could work, but as a full time job it is nothing but a scam. Because dude you're in Sweden. But in other countries, $15 per hour and working from home is a reasonable trade. To OP, do you take folks from Asia as well?
I'd guess that most European companies must pay taxes and fees for their employees.
So if this scheme requires you to get a company to be able to charge 15$ you would immediately have to pay 5$
in employer taxes and fees. Then the single employee (you) has to pay income taxes on the 10$.
So effectively you end up with 7-8$ per hour, no sick benefits, no vacation, no pension, no nothing except the "freedom" of being able to work from home.
If you are this competent you should be able to find a better job with at least some sense of employment security and make better money. Hell, you might even be able to work from home.
So unless you live in a country where the sum of income taxes and employment taxes + fees are really low, the pay is ridiculously low.
The actual cost of having an employee is quite high when you factor all the "hidden" costs plus the risks you have to account for.
On January 20 2014 20:30 Rimstalker wrote:I think the serious applications I am getting know pretty well what they would be getting into. And they appreciate the freedom I am offering, as mentioned before, you can work from anywhere, any time you like. And 80 dollars per hour is a pipe dream, outside of business consulting. Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 08:04 one-one-one wrote:
Stay away from this!
25$ an hour while having no security of income during sickness, no holiday days included and no pension plan is a _very_ bad deal.
25$ an hour for doing qualified work like this would be a very poor salary even if the company would employ you directly.
To offset the risks and given that I would also be qualified for an employment with a decent salary I would charge at least 80$ / hour while also having a 1 month cancellation clause in a signed contract.
If you are a student or whatever and need some extra payment it could work, but as a full time job it is nothing but a scam.
80$/h is nothing in the world of business consultants. That is more likely very close too the actual cost a company pays per hour for a normal junior employee. A business consultant would start somewhere in the region of 160$ here!
So even if you should take half of that and end up with 40$ / hour it is still very far from a decent salary.
With 15$ or even 25$ you force your employees to take a lot of risks and cut corners even in less expensive countries than Sweden. As an extra income for people with not so much money it might be a not so bad deal, but for anyone to work full time over extended periods of time it is an extremely bad deal.
Young people will be less likely to realize the risks of not getting payed if you get sick for a long period or how much
money you could have had when you retire had you taken a real job with pension benefits.
Don't you feel that you have a moral obligation to point this out to potential new employees?
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On January 21 2014 05:03 one-one-one wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 20:30 Rimstalker wrote:I think the serious applications I am getting know pretty well what they would be getting into. And they appreciate the freedom I am offering, as mentioned before, you can work from anywhere, any time you like. And 80 dollars per hour is a pipe dream, outside of business consulting. On January 20 2014 08:04 one-one-one wrote:
Stay away from this!
25$ an hour while having no security of income during sickness, no holiday days included and no pension plan is a _very_ bad deal.
25$ an hour for doing qualified work like this would be a very poor salary even if the company would employ you directly.
To offset the risks and given that I would also be qualified for an employment with a decent salary I would charge at least 80$ / hour while also having a 1 month cancellation clause in a signed contract.
If you are a student or whatever and need some extra payment it could work, but as a full time job it is nothing but a scam. 80$/h is nothing in the world of business consultants. That is more likely very close too the actual cost a company pays per hour for a normal junior employee. A business consultant would start somewhere in the region of 160$ here! So even if you should take half of that and end up with 40$ / hour it is still very far from a decent salary. With 15$ or even 25$ you force your employees to take a lot of risks and cut corners even in less expensive countries than Sweden. As an extra income for people with not so much money it might be a not so bad deal, but for anyone to work full time over extended periods of time it is an extremely bad deal. Young people will be less likely to realize the risks of not getting payed if you get sick for a long period or how much money you could have had when you retire had you taken a real job with pension benefits. Don't you feel that you have a moral obligation to point this out to potential new employees?
I think you are assuming too much of other countries incomes or maybe your standard of living is too high, but even in the USA I could live comfortably on $20/hour as a single adult. Finding a real job with pension benefits as you put it is not as easy as you make it sound.
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On January 21 2014 05:03 one-one-one wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 01:51 Raycab wrote:On January 20 2014 08:04 one-one-one wrote:
Stay away from this!
25$ an hour while having no security of income during sickness, no holiday days included and no pension plan is a _very_ bad deal.
25$ an hour for doing qualified work like this would be a very poor salary even if the company would employ you directly.
To offset the risks and given that I would also be qualified for an employment with a decent salary I would charge at least 80$ / hour while also having a 1 month cancellation clause in a signed contract.
If you are a student or whatever and need some extra payment it could work, but as a full time job it is nothing but a scam. Because dude you're in Sweden. But in other countries, $15 per hour and working from home is a reasonable trade. To OP, do you take folks from Asia as well? I'd guess that most European companies must pay taxes and fees for their employees. So if this scheme requires you to get a company to be able to charge 15$ you would immediately have to pay 5$ in employer taxes and fees. Then the single employee (you) has to pay income taxes on the 10$. So effectively you end up with 7-8$ per hour, no sick benefits, no vacation, no pension, no nothing except the "freedom" of being able to work from home. If you are this competent you should be able to find a better job with at least some sense of employment security and make better money. Hell, you might even be able to work from home. So unless you live in a country where the sum of income taxes and employment taxes + fees are really low, the pay is ridiculously low. The actual cost of having an employee is quite high when you factor all the "hidden" costs plus the risks you have to account for. Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 20:30 Rimstalker wrote:I think the serious applications I am getting know pretty well what they would be getting into. And they appreciate the freedom I am offering, as mentioned before, you can work from anywhere, any time you like. And 80 dollars per hour is a pipe dream, outside of business consulting. On January 20 2014 08:04 one-one-one wrote:
Stay away from this!
25$ an hour while having no security of income during sickness, no holiday days included and no pension plan is a _very_ bad deal.
25$ an hour for doing qualified work like this would be a very poor salary even if the company would employ you directly.
To offset the risks and given that I would also be qualified for an employment with a decent salary I would charge at least 80$ / hour while also having a 1 month cancellation clause in a signed contract.
If you are a student or whatever and need some extra payment it could work, but as a full time job it is nothing but a scam. 80$/h is nothing in the world of business consultants. That is more likely very close too the actual cost a company pays per hour for a normal junior employee. A business consultant would start somewhere in the region of 160$ here! So even if you should take half of that and end up with 40$ / hour it is still very far from a decent salary. With 15$ or even 25$ you force your employees to take a lot of risks and cut corners even in less expensive countries than Sweden. As an extra income for people with not so much money it might be a not so bad deal, but for anyone to work full time over extended periods of time it is an extremely bad deal. Young people will be less likely to realize the risks of not getting payed if you get sick for a long period or how much money you could have had when you retire had you taken a real job with pension benefits. Don't you feel that you have a moral obligation to point this out to potential new employees?
Most European countries have no tax on the first bit of income as a contractor. In the Netherlands for example, you would have 10k in euros yearly (for the first three years) not taxed, 7.5k after the first three years, yearly. Next to that there's various other tax exemptions you could get as a contractor.
Besides, it's not as if this job is a decades long job to take. You could very much see it as a stepping stone, as most jobs require extensive job experience.
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On January 21 2014 06:23 Najda wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 05:03 one-one-one wrote:On January 20 2014 20:30 Rimstalker wrote:I think the serious applications I am getting know pretty well what they would be getting into. And they appreciate the freedom I am offering, as mentioned before, you can work from anywhere, any time you like. And 80 dollars per hour is a pipe dream, outside of business consulting. On January 20 2014 08:04 one-one-one wrote:
Stay away from this!
25$ an hour while having no security of income during sickness, no holiday days included and no pension plan is a _very_ bad deal.
25$ an hour for doing qualified work like this would be a very poor salary even if the company would employ you directly.
To offset the risks and given that I would also be qualified for an employment with a decent salary I would charge at least 80$ / hour while also having a 1 month cancellation clause in a signed contract.
If you are a student or whatever and need some extra payment it could work, but as a full time job it is nothing but a scam. 80$/h is nothing in the world of business consultants. That is more likely very close too the actual cost a company pays per hour for a normal junior employee. A business consultant would start somewhere in the region of 160$ here! So even if you should take half of that and end up with 40$ / hour it is still very far from a decent salary. With 15$ or even 25$ you force your employees to take a lot of risks and cut corners even in less expensive countries than Sweden. As an extra income for people with not so much money it might be a not so bad deal, but for anyone to work full time over extended periods of time it is an extremely bad deal. Young people will be less likely to realize the risks of not getting payed if you get sick for a long period or how much money you could have had when you retire had you taken a real job with pension benefits. Don't you feel that you have a moral obligation to point this out to potential new employees? I think you are assuming too much of other countries incomes or maybe your standard of living is too high, but even in the USA I could live comfortably on $20/hour as a single adult. Finding a real job with pension benefits as you put it is not as easy as you make it sound.
Well perhaps. I'm just objecting that the "job" promises more than what it really is.
On a side note. I got straight out of school into a job where the hourly rate is in the lower 30 $ range + bonuses, with double pension benefits (government and private), free healthcare and 5 weeks of vacation.
So the benefits are really nice, but a lot of the salary is eaten up by taxes and the insanely high costs of living here.
Nothing special about it as most people with a degree get similar contracts, but the deal with 25$ would give me a net of no more than 15$ / hour without any benefits or security at all.
So don't expect many applicants from the Nordics 
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I am just curious as to when applicants will be hearing back about the position, or whether or not they will be notified if they didn't receive an interview.
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Hi, my name is Jacob, and I turn 18 in 6 months!! I hope you're still hiring then!
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On January 21 2014 09:31 masterbreti wrote:
I am just curious as to when applicants will be hearing back about the position, or whether or not they will be notified if they didn't receive an interview.
There are still applications coming in, we have started the selection process. We have not scheduled appointments yet, but will do so soon.
We are doing a meetup in Prague right now, so the schedule got thrown out of the window a bit, things will be back to normal for me Wednesday around noon.
On January 21 2014 01:51 Raycab wrote:
To OP, do you take folks from Asia as well?
Anyone is welcome.
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On January 21 2014 08:18 one-one-one wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 06:23 Najda wrote:On January 21 2014 05:03 one-one-one wrote:On January 20 2014 20:30 Rimstalker wrote:I think the serious applications I am getting know pretty well what they would be getting into. And they appreciate the freedom I am offering, as mentioned before, you can work from anywhere, any time you like. And 80 dollars per hour is a pipe dream, outside of business consulting. On January 20 2014 08:04 one-one-one wrote:
Stay away from this!
25$ an hour while having no security of income during sickness, no holiday days included and no pension plan is a _very_ bad deal.
25$ an hour for doing qualified work like this would be a very poor salary even if the company would employ you directly.
To offset the risks and given that I would also be qualified for an employment with a decent salary I would charge at least 80$ / hour while also having a 1 month cancellation clause in a signed contract.
If you are a student or whatever and need some extra payment it could work, but as a full time job it is nothing but a scam. 80$/h is nothing in the world of business consultants. That is more likely very close too the actual cost a company pays per hour for a normal junior employee. A business consultant would start somewhere in the region of 160$ here! So even if you should take half of that and end up with 40$ / hour it is still very far from a decent salary. With 15$ or even 25$ you force your employees to take a lot of risks and cut corners even in less expensive countries than Sweden. As an extra income for people with not so much money it might be a not so bad deal, but for anyone to work full time over extended periods of time it is an extremely bad deal. Young people will be less likely to realize the risks of not getting payed if you get sick for a long period or how much money you could have had when you retire had you taken a real job with pension benefits. Don't you feel that you have a moral obligation to point this out to potential new employees? I think you are assuming too much of other countries incomes or maybe your standard of living is too high, but even in the USA I could live comfortably on $20/hour as a single adult. Finding a real job with pension benefits as you put it is not as easy as you make it sound. Well perhaps. I'm just objecting that the "job" promises more than what it really is. On a side note. I got straight out of school into a job where the hourly rate is in the lower 30 $ range + bonuses, with double pension benefits (government and private), free healthcare and 5 weeks of vacation. So the benefits are really nice, but a lot of the salary is eaten up by taxes and the insanely high costs of living here. Nothing special about it as most people with a degree get similar contracts, but the deal with 25$ would give me a net of no more than 15$ / hour without any benefits or security at all. So don't expect many applicants from the Nordics
Are you here to brag?
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A picture from the meetup in Prague. I'm the guy with the glasses and the black fleece.
![[image loading]](http://abload.de/img/swathyj15.jpg)
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I applied several days ago. Being a stay at home dad after I put my wife through school and we switched roles (she work, I stay at home), a job like this would be excellent for my schedule with school and the kids.
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On January 23 2014 02:08 Rimstalker wrote:
A picture from the meetup in Prague. I'm the guy with the glasses and the black fleece.
Happy Birthday I guess.
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On January 23 2014 04:53 Cheerio wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 02:08 Rimstalker wrote:
A picture from the meetup in Prague. I'm the guy with the glasses and the black fleece.
Happy Birthday I guess.
Thanks. But the forum is Korean time (or something). Two hours, 41 minutes to go
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Yeah it's KST. Happy almost birthday then 
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Can't wait to get interviewed again. /optimism
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Today is the last chance to get your application in.
Some comments/thoughts so far:
The number of inaccessible google drive documents has dropped to 0 (last round, there were like 5). Well done on that part TL (and Reddit)!
Please proofread your cover letter. Please spell check your cover letter. Please proofread your resume. Please spell check your resume. Please have someone else spell check and proofread your cover letter and resume.
This particular example is made up, but everything in there was actually sent my way:
'I meat Simplyfi's minimal requirements. My main strengths are my impendence and being an expert at Microsoft Power.'
I got roughly 100 applications. A cover letter of 'I can work many hours and I have been playing computer games since 2004, looking forward to hearing from you.' is not going to cut it. I will send out the first emails asking for appointments for the test today and from the candidates that had really nice cover letters, I will ask for permission to post them here as examples.
I am not yet sure what exactly to do with the people that we will not be interviewing. I don't think anyone slipped by me (emails to jobs@simpli.fi were forwarded to me from HR, I checked my spam folder a couple of times and I sorted through my PM inbox as well). Current thoughts are to either post a first name, first letter of last name list with very brief remarks (if I have them) here, or to respond to anyone who contacts me again with a quick email with the reasoning behind it.
In either case, there would not be a discussion of the result.
Poll: What to do with the 'NOs'If contacted again, I will respond (13) 72% Publish first name, first letter of last name list (5) 28% Do nothing (0) 0% 18 total votes Your vote: What to do with the 'NOs' (Vote): Publish first name, first letter of last name list
(Vote): If contacted again, I will respond
(Vote): Do nothing
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Will you let us know when all candidates have been notified? It's getting pretty late in Germany so I'm not expecting much at this point.
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On January 25 2014 03:24 Najda wrote:
Will you let us know when all candidates have been notified? It's getting pretty late in Germany so I'm not expecting much at this point.
Yes, I will update accordingly. I still have some candidates where I am undecided, but as of this minute, I have sent out the first appointment request. (hello Antoine!)
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Are you seriously considering publishing personal information in a public forum from people that has applied? I can't believe I am reading this. Why not just respond to them privately?
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