EPTto all the haters saying diamond players can't coach. think about your favorite sports coach growing up. did he ever play in a professional league. most likely the answer will be no. skill is an actualization of knowledge and physical ability, its a good thing you only need the knowledge to coach.
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paper121
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to all the haters saying diamond players can't coach. think about your favorite sports coach growing up. did he ever play in a professional league. most likely the answer will be no. skill is an actualization of knowledge and physical ability, its a good thing you only need the knowledge to coach. | ||
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paper121
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On January 31 2013 12:12 NiteshadeSC2 wrote: I think this ia an excellent website, I think their idea is to get professional players and semi-pro's onto their instructor roster. Imagine if Idra or another high level pro were to do a class. Instead of teaching 1 on 1 for $100 an hour (or often less), he could potentially teach 100 students at $10 per student - at the same time. Do the math. Niteshade it is well known that idra's rate is 300 http://www.gosucoaching.com/users/idra | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
On February 01 2013 10:27 CakeSauc3 wrote: That's because not all of Day9's episodes are specifically about improving. A lot are simply based on making observations to help you think better while you play, and others are also just there for fun. However, you can't deny that when Day9 REALLY does an episode where he teaches you something beneficial (mechanics, timings, etc.) it's fantastic. I agree with both. Day9 to date, has one of the best shows that can help u improve on ladder for free (by build orders or other general advice). But it doesnt make players a better sc2-gamer like a coach would do. A coach would, i assume, not look at build orders or unitcomposition so much, but analyze ur play and take that back to the basics. Day9 can't do that because his show is too general for this type of advice. | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
On February 03 2013 19:35 paper121 wrote: it is well known that idra's rate is 300 http://www.gosucoaching.com/users/idra Yeah it's insane. Polt is at 200. Seems idra really doesnt wanna coach anyone  Well, if u have the money lying around, u could try irda out. But for a game that costs 20, i wouldnt get a coach for 200 or more. If i had a specific problem, i would however pay 20 for a descent coach to help me solve my problem. | ||
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AkumaNoRitomi
9 Posts
About the post, any player in any level of play can add their 2 cents to the game and help out the community, but I don't know if people would pay for those advices. | ||
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ItanoCircus
United States67 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=374400 And just barely losing to #1 and #2 Bronze League players using Step 1 - Macro w/ Marines. This is not to say that your method, or the Skillgrind website, is pointless. In fact, I agree that it would and should cater to Masters+ coaches that want to teach multiple people at the same time. There's even a profit motive to guide it along! However, the Staircase method takes the "macro harder, baddie" advice and solidifies it in a fun way that doesn't lead to frustration for lower leagued players. Coaching is likely to invoke the opposite response, and is in direct competition with the Staircase. Additionally, lower leagued players aren't likely to pay for a service that they can pick up for free. I again am not saying that Skillgrind is pointless, but you need to articulate a clearer direction for your project. Otherwise, it's competing with everything (FilterSc) it (Staircase) overlaps (DignitasApollo) with (TL MU-specific guides). | ||
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Hammo
Australia16 Posts
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Ahzz
Finland780 Posts
The common idea of 'macro better nooblet' is nothing but a boring answer that tries to shove another person away so that he doesn't bother you again. And this is a common problem that many newbies make too. The important "Why did you lose?" question is often discarded by simply replying "I didn't macro good, my micro was bad". This is a terrible way of thinking, and doesn't teach you anything. There are a dozen great reason why your macro is bad, not simply because of APM. Also, improving your mechanics doesn't happen by saying 'ok I will try to improve my mechanics', though that helps too... Improving your mechanics happens by thinking of explicit ways that you will really focus on during the game... While doing everything just as well as before. Also, while macro does indeed bring you to platinum alone, you don't even need to do anything but attack move or even a proper build order, everyone's builds who are below masters are INFESTED with crappy ass decisions that should be adressed. Those were my thoughts on why people are wrong about coaching, when they disregard it completely. You don't need coaching to get good, but if you get a GOOD coach, he can make you good... and fast. This is of course a problem with the website. Anyone can start up a lesson, regardless of their skill, their experience, their talent for coaching, anything. The place will always be full of people who are simply objectively speaking unsuited for coaching anyone, even a bronze player. (Or at least, if they charge money from it anyone would call it a rip-off) What the website needs to do at the bare minimum is identify good, reliable coaches, and feature them on the website, so that the users first experience is probably guaranteed to be good. They should also try to get well known, famous players to do an OCCASIONAL featured class on a specific subject that they can prepare to, to really let people have something to look forward to. If it's completely on the shoulders of the userbase to determine good and bad, I doubt this site will prosper. You need to point out some premium choices, and then let the userbase find some on their own. | ||
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Gumbi
Ireland463 Posts
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govie
9334 Posts
On February 05 2013 03:30 Gumbi wrote: Day 9 does indeed ramble an awful lot. It is very difficult to improve when you don't know what you're doing wrong. IMO he just throws information at the player as it comes into his head, and rambles on for far too long. Don't get me wrong, he really is a fantastic player. I just think he gets too mic credit as a teacher. What i learn from day9 is basically 1. buildorders 2. engaging with that build. For example : The buildorder that Empire.kas uses in tvp. He explains the buildorder, the positives and the negatives. Also u get info about how and when kas engages. So it's all general, but usefull. It will not make my mechanics better but it enhances my knowledge of certain builds, so its more a knowledge based instruction. | ||
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Gumbi
Ireland463 Posts
On February 05 2013 04:02 govie wrote: What i learn from day9 is basically 1. buildorders 2. engaging with that build. For example : The buildorder that Empire.kas uses in tvp. He explains the buildorder, the positives and the negatives. Also u get info about how and when kas engages. So it's all general, but usefull. It will not make my mechanics better but it enhances my knowledge of certain builds, so its more a knowledge based instruction. Sure, that may be the case. What in saying is that the way in which he goes about explaining it all could be more clear. | ||
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NiteshadeSC2
Canada98 Posts
On February 03 2013 19:35 paper121 wrote: it is well known that idra's rate is 300 http://www.gosucoaching.com/users/idra See the words after idra and or. Also, how affordable do you think 300 an hour is to a developing player? (this is rhetorical, don't answer) This a good service idea, it just needs a couple if good instructors to jump on board. Niteshade | ||
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