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On January 31 2013 00:46 gingerfluffmuff wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 19:35 sunglasseson wrote:
is qxc really only 20 bucks? those other guys who are less known charge 50 Its better to spend such an amount of money to buy GSL subscriptions. If you are <diamond, your macro sucks If you are >diamond, those teachers cant teach you anything a GSL video couldnt do better (builds, timings, supply benchmarks, approaching a Bo3)
The only question that remains from that impeccable logic is:
What if you are =diamond ?
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Thanks for the feedback! We just beta launched a couple of months ago and so we are actively recruiting expert gamers to create classes. For us, while we all have our favorite big name gamers, we are also looking for mid to top tier gamers to teach classes. Not all students are trying to ladder up into Master but some are struggling in Gold and we want to make sure we offer a wide range of teachers who can tailor the needs for our students.
We know there's a lot of great free pre-recorded videos out there but we want to give our students gamers a more personalized experience and a live way to ask questions on the spot. Everyone plays different and a lot of people learn in different ways.
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On January 30 2013 23:42 ItanoCircus wrote:
While such a website would definitely be useful post-HotS with the new replay features, currently it's competing against the (free) likes of an incredibly large number of tutorials available on Youtube and here. The timing is off.
That and it causes my computer to crash through overflow... charming.
We think video tutorials are obviously great but a live teacher at your disposal is quicker and more tailored to the help you need (or so we think!). But on a more pressing note, our site caused something to crash for you? Can you give us more details to what page you were on and what you were doing when that happened?
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On January 31 2013 00:46 gingerfluffmuff wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 19:35 sunglasseson wrote:
is qxc really only 20 bucks? those other guys who are less known charge 50 Its better to spend such an amount of money to buy GSL subscriptions. If you are <diamond, your macro sucks If you are >diamond, those teachers cant teach you anything a GSL video couldnt do better (builds, timings, supply benchmarks, approaching a Bo3)
Getting hands on practice is MUCH MUCH better than just watching a video.
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On January 31 2013 05:05 SkillGrind wrote:
Not all students are trying to ladder up into Master but some are struggling in Gold and we want to make sure we offer a wide range of teachers who can tailor the needs for our students.
Even if they aren't trying to get to Master/GM/whatever, it's still teaching bad practice if you're learning from a gold player; they don't have the knowledge to help someone improve, while pros can actually talk to players of any level and help in their improvement.
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On January 31 2013 05:59 a9arnn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 05:05 SkillGrind wrote:
Not all students are trying to ladder up into Master but some are struggling in Gold and we want to make sure we offer a wide range of teachers who can tailor the needs for our students.
Even if they aren't trying to get to Master/GM/whatever, it's still teaching bad practice if you're learning from a gold player; they don't have the knowledge to help someone improve, while pros can actually talk to players of any level and help in their improvement.
We think it depends on the player in this instance. If you're a complete newb it might be intimidating to have a GM coaching you at an obvious low skill level. HOWEVER, we also know that mid-tiered players will teach mid-tier habits. In the end, it's why we opened up SkillGrind as a marketplace. We want our site to be filled with a teachers of desirable levels and personalities, so that our students will have a wide array of choices at their disposal.
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To be honest.. I think its probably better to have a Gold/Plat player teaching a bronze/silver player rather than a diamond/masters/gm player.. Because they're able to more realistically put themselves into their students skill-range, and actually give them realistic builds that a silver player can actually do.
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Are you currently coaching for hots?
Cool idea by the way, I might try it once hots comes out. =]
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Concept has potential I guess but why pay when you can watch day9 for free? (don't use adblock though so it stays that way)
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I think this ia an excellent website, I think their idea is to get professional players and semi-pro's onto their instructor roster.
Imagine if Idra or another high level pro were to do a class. Instead of teaching 1 on 1 for $100 an hour (or often less), he could potentially teach 100 students at $10 per student - at the same time. Do the math.
Niteshade
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There's some good teachers out there who have got the analytical and educational skills to really help players improve.
But you shouldn't just pay someone because he's in a higher league than you. Look, in life there's a ton of different teachers and you'll have experienced that the good ones have a lot of different skills and being an expert on their subjects isn't even the most important one.
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On January 31 2013 11:11 Ry2D2 wrote:
Concept has potential I guess but why pay when you can watch day9 for free? (don't use adblock though so it stays that way)
im high masters as every race and i find day9 to be a bunch of rambling about random things that dont really hit home on any one point
a lower level player imo should struggle to put into practice what day9 says since its really bad to be frank
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why pay when i can watch twitch for free?
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On January 31 2013 15:25 Joblesso wrote:
why pay when i can watch twitch for free?
This has been answered many times, not only in this topic.
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On January 31 2013 00:46 gingerfluffmuff wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 19:35 sunglasseson wrote:
is qxc really only 20 bucks? those other guys who are less known charge 50 Its better to spend such an amount of money to buy GSL subscriptions. If you are <diamond, your macro sucks If you are >diamond, those teachers cant teach you anything a GSL video couldnt do better (builds, timings, supply benchmarks, approaching a Bo3)
Try drawing the line with masters, because even if you have a good amount of points in that league it is still possible for you to have a bad macro. And diamond macro always sucks...
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would be so awsome if there was also a part for bw.
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this is a good idea. i want to create lessons for people! im only plat but can explain how i made the jumps from the leagues. i am playing diamonds now and again so i think i can help the lower half of the league system. Great idea really!
i agree with a post above, much better for a guy 1 maybe 2 leagues higher to help you as they have that incremental skill increase. I agree with the its better to learn from the best but these guys can play the game well, not to say they can teach it or have the patience to teach someone who physically cant match the apm/macro of them. Im a RL teacher and plat player, so using my teaching skills im sure i can be really really effective as a coach.
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On January 31 2013 15:12 sunglasseson wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 11:11 Ry2D2 wrote:
Concept has potential I guess but why pay when you can watch day9 for free? (don't use adblock though so it stays that way) im high masters as every race and i find day9 to be a bunch of rambling about random things that dont really hit home on any one point a lower level player imo should struggle to put into practice what day9 says since its really bad to be frank
It surprises me that more people don't share this opinion of day9. I listen to him for 5 minutes waiting for him to make a single concise learning point and he NEVER DOES. Don't get me wrong, he runs an entertaining show that inspires people to play sc2 and get better. But holy crap, listening to his shows is not your best resource for skill progression. The amount of times I see one of his daily's being referenced when people are asking for help on the strategy forums is worrisome.
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On February 01 2013 05:08 smoosh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 15:12 sunglasseson wrote:On January 31 2013 11:11 Ry2D2 wrote:
Concept has potential I guess but why pay when you can watch day9 for free? (don't use adblock though so it stays that way) im high masters as every race and i find day9 to be a bunch of rambling about random things that dont really hit home on any one point a lower level player imo should struggle to put into practice what day9 says since its really bad to be frank It surprises me that more people don't share this opinion of day9. I listen to him for 5 minutes waiting for him to make a single concise learning point and he NEVER DOES. Don't get me wrong, he runs an entertaining show that inspires people to play sc2 and get better. But holy crap, listening to his shows is not your best resource for skill progression. The amount of times I see one of his daily's being referenced when people are asking for help on the strategy forums is worrisome.
That's because not all of Day9's episodes are specifically about improving. A lot are simply based on making observations to help you think better while you play, and others are also just there for fun. However, you can't deny that when Day9 REALLY does an episode where he teaches you something beneficial (mechanics, timings, etc.) it's fantastic.
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haha, bashing the act of coaching AND bashing day9? Oh god, this thread is hilarious.
Obviously a GM knows more about the game than a plat, but you really only have to spend about 5 minutes on TL to know that EVERYONE'S opinion is just 'macro harder, baddie'. Seriously. It's the difference between throwing someone a calculus textbook and having a tutor. There's a huge difference between knowing what to do and knowing how to do it.
I think this is a cool idea but I agree that it would be much better served by HotS replay resume. I really don't see how people can somehow get worse advice here then they do from just reading random people complain about balance in game or on TL.
As far as the day9bashing goes - I'm not even sure it deems a serious response... Honestly, I know it's cool to hate on the popular guy but to say that he somehow doesn't ever provide 'a single concise learning point' is goddamned ridiculous.
I guess I'll have to check this site out once there's a decent consensus on the specific content providers that actually give you your money's worth.
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