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SkillGrind
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llIH
Norway2143 Posts
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CrazyIvanPL
Poland220 Posts
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Tufas
Austria2259 Posts
Maybe its just me | ||
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BlackPanther
United States872 Posts
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Hurricane
United States3939 Posts
Just a heads up | ||
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a9arnn
United States1537 Posts
Bonedropper: Currently in gold league on SC2. Here to share what I know. Umm... | ||
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FoShao
United States256 Posts
LOL he's featured too :p | ||
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SChlafmann
France725 Posts
Why not... | ||
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ROOTSasquatch
United States234 Posts
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
So the question then becomes - what does the structure of the relationship look like? How's the business backend of things, with regards to 1099s and the like - what jurisdiction are the legalities under? It might allow someone to be a teacher in a more professional seeming way than random paypal transactions from Blizz chats, but I would be interested in learning about the business model and practices in place before doing something there. (And I'm gold, so the core content of my class to anyone under my league can be summed up in "macro, Macro, MACRO!") But if everything is on the up and up and legit, it could be a useful site for people that have skills to share but can't rely on advertising and site visits for income (like, for example, most of the other similar sites I can think of). | ||
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sunglasseson
United States145 Posts
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MysteryMeat1
United States3292 Posts
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giX
United States185 Posts
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zoNin
Canada57 Posts
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govie
9334 Posts
On topic : If anyone has probs with girls i can give u advice, if u want discount i do groups too! | ||
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sunglasseson
United States145 Posts
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Maesy
United States1444 Posts
On January 30 2013 15:38 zoNin wrote: so its going to be a page with a bunch of baddies trying to sucker people in for some money? Seems to look that way. | ||
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ItanoCircus
United States67 Posts
That and it causes my computer to crash through overflow... charming. | ||
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
On January 30 2013 19:35 sunglasseson wrote: is qxc really only 20 bucks? those other guys who are less known charge 50 Its better to spend such an amount of money to buy GSL subscriptions. If you are <diamond, your macro sucks If you are >diamond, those teachers cant teach you anything a GSL video couldnt do better (builds, timings, supply benchmarks, approaching a Bo3) | ||
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JOJOsc2news
3000 Posts
On January 31 2013 00:46 gingerfluffmuff wrote: Its better to spend such an amount of money to buy GSL subscriptions. If you are <diamond, your macro sucks If you are >diamond, those teachers cant teach you anything a GSL video couldnt do better (builds, timings, supply benchmarks, approaching a Bo3) The only question that remains from that impeccable logic is: What if you are =diamond ? | ||
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SkillGrind
4 Posts
We know there's a lot of great free pre-recorded videos out there but we want to give our students gamers a more personalized experience and a live way to ask questions on the spot. Everyone plays different and a lot of people learn in different ways. | ||
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SkillGrind
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On January 30 2013 23:42 ItanoCircus wrote: While such a website would definitely be useful post-HotS with the new replay features, currently it's competing against the (free) likes of an incredibly large number of tutorials available on Youtube and here. The timing is off. That and it causes my computer to crash through overflow... charming. We think video tutorials are obviously great but a live teacher at your disposal is quicker and more tailored to the help you need (or so we think!). But on a more pressing note, our site caused something to crash for you? Can you give us more details to what page you were on and what you were doing when that happened? | ||
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ClairvoyanceSC2
United States758 Posts
On January 31 2013 00:46 gingerfluffmuff wrote: Its better to spend such an amount of money to buy GSL subscriptions. If you are <diamond, your macro sucks If you are >diamond, those teachers cant teach you anything a GSL video couldnt do better (builds, timings, supply benchmarks, approaching a Bo3) Getting hands on practice is MUCH MUCH better than just watching a video. | ||
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a9arnn
United States1537 Posts
On January 31 2013 05:05 SkillGrind wrote: Not all students are trying to ladder up into Master but some are struggling in Gold and we want to make sure we offer a wide range of teachers who can tailor the needs for our students. Even if they aren't trying to get to Master/GM/whatever, it's still teaching bad practice if you're learning from a gold player; they don't have the knowledge to help someone improve, while pros can actually talk to players of any level and help in their improvement. | ||
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SkillGrind
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On January 31 2013 05:59 a9arnn wrote: Even if they aren't trying to get to Master/GM/whatever, it's still teaching bad practice if you're learning from a gold player; they don't have the knowledge to help someone improve, while pros can actually talk to players of any level and help in their improvement. We think it depends on the player in this instance. If you're a complete newb it might be intimidating to have a GM coaching you at an obvious low skill level. HOWEVER, we also know that mid-tiered players will teach mid-tier habits. In the end, it's why we opened up SkillGrind as a marketplace. We want our site to be filled with a teachers of desirable levels and personalities, so that our students will have a wide array of choices at their disposal. | ||
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Enzymatic
Canada1301 Posts
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CenturionSC2
United States51 Posts
Cool idea by the way, I might try it once hots comes out. =] | ||
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Ry2D2
United States429 Posts
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NiteshadeSC2
Canada98 Posts
Imagine if Idra or another high level pro were to do a class. Instead of teaching 1 on 1 for $100 an hour (or often less), he could potentially teach 100 students at $10 per student - at the same time. Do the math. Niteshade | ||
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TigerKarl
1757 Posts
But you shouldn't just pay someone because he's in a higher league than you. Look, in life there's a ton of different teachers and you'll have experienced that the good ones have a lot of different skills and being an expert on their subjects isn't even the most important one. | ||
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sunglasseson
United States145 Posts
On January 31 2013 11:11 Ry2D2 wrote: Concept has potential I guess but why pay when you can watch day9 for free? (don't use adblock though so it stays that way) im high masters as every race and i find day9 to be a bunch of rambling about random things that dont really hit home on any one point a lower level player imo should struggle to put into practice what day9 says since its really bad to be frank | ||
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Joblesso
United States76 Posts
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TigerKarl
1757 Posts
On January 31 2013 15:25 Joblesso wrote: why pay when i can watch twitch for free? This has been answered many times, not only in this topic. | ||
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Damnight
Germany222 Posts
On January 31 2013 00:46 gingerfluffmuff wrote: Its better to spend such an amount of money to buy GSL subscriptions. If you are <diamond, your macro sucks If you are >diamond, those teachers cant teach you anything a GSL video couldnt do better (builds, timings, supply benchmarks, approaching a Bo3) Try drawing the line with masters, because even if you have a good amount of points in that league it is still possible for you to have a bad macro. And diamond macro always sucks... | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
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StatixEx
United Kingdom779 Posts
i agree with a post above, much better for a guy 1 maybe 2 leagues higher to help you as they have that incremental skill increase. I agree with the its better to learn from the best but these guys can play the game well, not to say they can teach it or have the patience to teach someone who physically cant match the apm/macro of them. Im a RL teacher and plat player, so using my teaching skills im sure i can be really really effective as a coach. | ||
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smoosh
31 Posts
On January 31 2013 15:12 sunglasseson wrote: im high masters as every race and i find day9 to be a bunch of rambling about random things that dont really hit home on any one point a lower level player imo should struggle to put into practice what day9 says since its really bad to be frank It surprises me that more people don't share this opinion of day9. I listen to him for 5 minutes waiting for him to make a single concise learning point and he NEVER DOES. Don't get me wrong, he runs an entertaining show that inspires people to play sc2 and get better. But holy crap, listening to his shows is not your best resource for skill progression. The amount of times I see one of his daily's being referenced when people are asking for help on the strategy forums is worrisome. | ||
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CakeSauc3
United States1437 Posts
On February 01 2013 05:08 smoosh wrote: It surprises me that more people don't share this opinion of day9. I listen to him for 5 minutes waiting for him to make a single concise learning point and he NEVER DOES. Don't get me wrong, he runs an entertaining show that inspires people to play sc2 and get better. But holy crap, listening to his shows is not your best resource for skill progression. The amount of times I see one of his daily's being referenced when people are asking for help on the strategy forums is worrisome. That's because not all of Day9's episodes are specifically about improving. A lot are simply based on making observations to help you think better while you play, and others are also just there for fun. However, you can't deny that when Day9 REALLY does an episode where he teaches you something beneficial (mechanics, timings, etc.) it's fantastic. | ||
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StayPhrosty
Canada406 Posts
Obviously a GM knows more about the game than a plat, but you really only have to spend about 5 minutes on TL to know that EVERYONE'S opinion is just 'macro harder, baddie'. Seriously. It's the difference between throwing someone a calculus textbook and having a tutor. There's a huge difference between knowing what to do and knowing how to do it. I think this is a cool idea but I agree that it would be much better served by HotS replay resume. I really don't see how people can somehow get worse advice here then they do from just reading random people complain about balance in game or on TL. As far as the day9bashing goes - I'm not even sure it deems a serious response... Honestly, I know it's cool to hate on the popular guy but to say that he somehow doesn't ever provide 'a single concise learning point' is goddamned ridiculous. I guess I'll have to check this site out once there's a decent consensus on the specific content providers that actually give you your money's worth. | ||
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paper121
50 Posts
to all the haters saying diamond players can't coach. think about your favorite sports coach growing up. did he ever play in a professional league. most likely the answer will be no. skill is an actualization of knowledge and physical ability, its a good thing you only need the knowledge to coach. | ||
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paper121
50 Posts
On January 31 2013 12:12 NiteshadeSC2 wrote: I think this ia an excellent website, I think their idea is to get professional players and semi-pro's onto their instructor roster. Imagine if Idra or another high level pro were to do a class. Instead of teaching 1 on 1 for $100 an hour (or often less), he could potentially teach 100 students at $10 per student - at the same time. Do the math. Niteshade it is well known that idra's rate is 300 http://www.gosucoaching.com/users/idra | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
On February 01 2013 10:27 CakeSauc3 wrote: That's because not all of Day9's episodes are specifically about improving. A lot are simply based on making observations to help you think better while you play, and others are also just there for fun. However, you can't deny that when Day9 REALLY does an episode where he teaches you something beneficial (mechanics, timings, etc.) it's fantastic. I agree with both. Day9 to date, has one of the best shows that can help u improve on ladder for free (by build orders or other general advice). But it doesnt make players a better sc2-gamer like a coach would do. A coach would, i assume, not look at build orders or unitcomposition so much, but analyze ur play and take that back to the basics. Day9 can't do that because his show is too general for this type of advice. | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
On February 03 2013 19:35 paper121 wrote: it is well known that idra's rate is 300 http://www.gosucoaching.com/users/idra Yeah it's insane. Polt is at 200. Seems idra really doesnt wanna coach anyone Well, if u have the money lying around, u could try irda out. But for a game that costs 20, i wouldnt get a coach for 200 or more. If i had a specific problem, i would however pay 20 for a descent coach to help me solve my problem. | ||
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AkumaNoRitomi
9 Posts
About the post, any player in any level of play can add their 2 cents to the game and help out the community, but I don't know if people would pay for those advices. | ||
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ItanoCircus
United States67 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=374400 And just barely losing to #1 and #2 Bronze League players using Step 1 - Macro w/ Marines. This is not to say that your method, or the Skillgrind website, is pointless. In fact, I agree that it would and should cater to Masters+ coaches that want to teach multiple people at the same time. There's even a profit motive to guide it along! However, the Staircase method takes the "macro harder, baddie" advice and solidifies it in a fun way that doesn't lead to frustration for lower leagued players. Coaching is likely to invoke the opposite response, and is in direct competition with the Staircase. Additionally, lower leagued players aren't likely to pay for a service that they can pick up for free. I again am not saying that Skillgrind is pointless, but you need to articulate a clearer direction for your project. Otherwise, it's competing with everything (FilterSc) it (Staircase) overlaps (DignitasApollo) with (TL MU-specific guides). | ||
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Hammo
Australia16 Posts
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Ahzz
Finland780 Posts
The common idea of 'macro better nooblet' is nothing but a boring answer that tries to shove another person away so that he doesn't bother you again. And this is a common problem that many newbies make too. The important "Why did you lose?" question is often discarded by simply replying "I didn't macro good, my micro was bad". This is a terrible way of thinking, and doesn't teach you anything. There are a dozen great reason why your macro is bad, not simply because of APM. Also, improving your mechanics doesn't happen by saying 'ok I will try to improve my mechanics', though that helps too... Improving your mechanics happens by thinking of explicit ways that you will really focus on during the game... While doing everything just as well as before. Also, while macro does indeed bring you to platinum alone, you don't even need to do anything but attack move or even a proper build order, everyone's builds who are below masters are INFESTED with crappy ass decisions that should be adressed. Those were my thoughts on why people are wrong about coaching, when they disregard it completely. You don't need coaching to get good, but if you get a GOOD coach, he can make you good... and fast. This is of course a problem with the website. Anyone can start up a lesson, regardless of their skill, their experience, their talent for coaching, anything. The place will always be full of people who are simply objectively speaking unsuited for coaching anyone, even a bronze player. (Or at least, if they charge money from it anyone would call it a rip-off) What the website needs to do at the bare minimum is identify good, reliable coaches, and feature them on the website, so that the users first experience is probably guaranteed to be good. They should also try to get well known, famous players to do an OCCASIONAL featured class on a specific subject that they can prepare to, to really let people have something to look forward to. If it's completely on the shoulders of the userbase to determine good and bad, I doubt this site will prosper. You need to point out some premium choices, and then let the userbase find some on their own. | ||
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Gumbi
Ireland463 Posts
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govie
9334 Posts
On February 05 2013 03:30 Gumbi wrote: Day 9 does indeed ramble an awful lot. It is very difficult to improve when you don't know what you're doing wrong. IMO he just throws information at the player as it comes into his head, and rambles on for far too long. Don't get me wrong, he really is a fantastic player. I just think he gets too mic credit as a teacher. What i learn from day9 is basically 1. buildorders 2. engaging with that build. For example : The buildorder that Empire.kas uses in tvp. He explains the buildorder, the positives and the negatives. Also u get info about how and when kas engages. So it's all general, but usefull. It will not make my mechanics better but it enhances my knowledge of certain builds, so its more a knowledge based instruction. | ||
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Gumbi
Ireland463 Posts
On February 05 2013 04:02 govie wrote: What i learn from day9 is basically 1. buildorders 2. engaging with that build. For example : The buildorder that Empire.kas uses in tvp. He explains the buildorder, the positives and the negatives. Also u get info about how and when kas engages. So it's all general, but usefull. It will not make my mechanics better but it enhances my knowledge of certain builds, so its more a knowledge based instruction. Sure, that may be the case. What in saying is that the way in which he goes about explaining it all could be more clear. | ||
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NiteshadeSC2
Canada98 Posts
On February 03 2013 19:35 paper121 wrote: it is well known that idra's rate is 300 http://www.gosucoaching.com/users/idra See the words after idra and or. Also, how affordable do you think 300 an hour is to a developing player? (this is rhetorical, don't answer) This a good service idea, it just needs a couple if good instructors to jump on board. Niteshade | ||
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