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Fyrn
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany62 Posts
April 18 2012 22:00 GMT
#41
Everyone who has any real grasp of what "hacker" or "hacking" means has had so many pointless discussions about it that they're unlikely to be willing to discuss it ever again, especially on an internet forum related to gaming, where people identify as gamers.

So, have at it!

And GL to anyone applying. Sure sounds like a good job.
"I mean I could always win MLG Providence next year.." - The Little One
Zcience
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany22 Posts
April 18 2012 23:22 GMT
#42
Would love to join you, but I've only been studying Software Engineering for three semesters and I don't have any experience yet at all :/
Well, well, well - let's do this :D
HexSCII
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada115 Posts
April 18 2012 23:58 GMT
#43
I would love to join. However, I am not very good at sc2 (Gold League) and I haven't started university yet. I am taking computer science in uni though so its right up my alley. Plus I have no experience
Nexus first or die trying. partinG/MC/oz/Squirtle/Nani/ HerO
Fyrn
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany62 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-19 00:13:40
April 19 2012 00:10 GMT
#44
I keep reading these "I'm just now starting to study" replies and I really, really hate reading stuff like that. Here's an important thing that you need to realize:

Studying CS will not make you a rockstar developer. It'll most likely (depends on the university, but is probably still generally true) give you a broad basic understanding of everything but not a huge amount of real applicable skills.

If you're really serious about coding in any capacity (whether it be the web, integrated systems, whatever floats your boat) the key to becoming proficient is, just like in SC2, practice. And that's where the fun begins: you don't need anything that you do not already have in order to start. You're posting on these forums on a computer and that is all you'll need.

Don't let a mostly arbitrary degree that you're chasing dictate your progress. Having the degree will certify an absolute minimum of proficiency, nothing more. No good employer will ever require you to have a degree (I'd even say a math degree is potentially worth more to a coder than a CS degree.)

Just start coding ..and never stop. Because in an ordinary human lifespan, you will never be able to learn everything there is to learn (not even about a field you might specialize in, simply because things move too fast)
"I mean I could always win MLG Providence next year.." - The Little One
luxx
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States140 Posts
April 19 2012 01:55 GMT
#45
cool project

/support
Lead Developer Z33K.com
HexSCII
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada115 Posts
April 19 2012 03:06 GMT
#46
On April 19 2012 09:10 Fyrn wrote:
Don't let a mostly arbitrary degree that you're chasing dictate your progress. Having the degree will certify an absolute minimum of proficiency, nothing more. No good employer will ever require you to have a degree (I'd even say a math degree is potentially worth more to a coder than a CS degree.)

Just start coding ..and never stop. Because in an ordinary human lifespan, you will never be able to learn everything there is to learn (not even about a field you might specialize in, simply because things move too fast)


:D
Motivation at its highest. Thank you kind sir.
Nexus first or die trying. partinG/MC/oz/Squirtle/Nani/ HerO
Zcience
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany22 Posts
April 19 2012 06:05 GMT
#47
On April 19 2012 12:06 HexSCII wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2012 09:10 Fyrn wrote:
Don't let a mostly arbitrary degree that you're chasing dictate your progress. Having the degree will certify an absolute minimum of proficiency, nothing more. No good employer will ever require you to have a degree (I'd even say a math degree is potentially worth more to a coder than a CS degree.)

Just start coding ..and never stop. Because in an ordinary human lifespan, you will never be able to learn everything there is to learn (not even about a field you might specialize in, simply because things move too fast)


:D
Motivation at its highest. Thank you kind sir.


So true :D If you're saying the truth, I'm pretty much f***ed D:
Well, well, well - let's do this :D
peacenl
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
550 Posts
April 19 2012 10:49 GMT
#48
On April 19 2012 09:10 Fyrn wrote:
I keep reading these "I'm just now starting to study" replies and I really, really hate reading stuff like that. Here's an important thing that you need to realize:

Studying CS will not make you a rockstar developer. It'll most likely (depends on the university, but is probably still generally true) give you a broad basic understanding of everything but not a huge amount of real applicable skills.

If you're really serious about coding in any capacity (whether it be the web, integrated systems, whatever floats your boat) the key to becoming proficient is, just like in SC2, practice. And that's where the fun begins: you don't need anything that you do not already have in order to start. You're posting on these forums on a computer and that is all you'll need.

Don't let a mostly arbitrary degree that you're chasing dictate your progress. Having the degree will certify an absolute minimum of proficiency, nothing more. No good employer will ever require you to have a degree (I'd even say a math degree is potentially worth more to a coder than a CS degree.)

Just start coding ..and never stop. Because in an ordinary human lifespan, you will never be able to learn everything there is to learn (not even about a field you might specialize in, simply because things move too fast)

It is true, getting a degree is proving that you can handle the level of work and thought. If you wish to be good at something you have to love it so much that it's your number one past time activity. Sorry to say but stating "I haven't finished college or university yet so I don't know anything about it" doesn't strike me as you having much dedication or interest to do this type of work.
- One does not simply walk into a bar and start calling the shots.
- Failure doesn't mean you are a failure it just means you haven't succeeded yet.
Fyrn
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany62 Posts
April 19 2012 11:08 GMT
#49
Well, degrees do open doors, especially if you're after a job in a "traditional", larger, established company.

This is especially true for Zcience here - Germans _love_ degrees. In Germany, having a CS degree will pretty much guarantee you an entry level job with decent salary, so you'll have plenty of time to move up the ladder while having a secure income

And of course there are companies where you need either a MIT degree or 15+ years of proven experience to start as the janitor's assistant. Damn, I wish I had a MIT degree, or someone reputable that could attest to my genius before 2000.

It's like hitting gold, then being paid for trying to get to GM. Brought to you by Videogame Analogies - demystifying the world to nerds since 1972.
"I mean I could always win MLG Providence next year.." - The Little One
BXiT
Profile Joined March 2012
France44 Posts
April 19 2012 12:24 GMT
#50
I am astonished that you ask a link to web profile for a job.
Maybe it is common practice in the US, but I can tell that it is a really toxic one.

You can't ask everyone to be popularity bitchs to do some brillant work. Some people are more reserved by nature and want a clear separation between work and personnal life (Day[9] for instance). You have to respect that
Chop-Chopin
Profile Joined December 2010
Ukraine12 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-19 12:52:04
April 19 2012 12:51 GMT
#51
On April 19 2012 21:24 BXiT wrote:
I am astonished that you ask a link to web profile for a job.
Maybe it is common practice in the US, but I can tell that it is a really toxic one.

You can't ask everyone to be popularity bitchs to do some brillant work. Some people are more reserved by nature and want a clear separation between work and personnal life (Day[9] for instance). You have to respect that


Do you really think that if you have brilliant work to show, but not a github account, it will be held against you?
Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-19 13:30:56
April 19 2012 13:22 GMT
#52
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ES_JohnClark
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1121 Posts
April 19 2012 14:28 GMT
#53
wow.. I am just impressed at 2 things here..

1. This guy loves stats as much as I do.

2. He is older like me!!

Good Stuff man... I would consider changing the name from Hack to something different.

suggestions: SC2 Stats Help, SC2 Tweaks, StatCraft (my favorite!), .. etc.. has to be something better. Regardless of the original meaning of the word.. in the esports community.. the word Hack has a very negative connotation.
Still Naked!
Chop-Chopin
Profile Joined December 2010
Ukraine12 Posts
April 19 2012 15:04 GMT
#54
On April 19 2012 22:22 Inori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2012 21:51 Chop-Chopin wrote:
On April 19 2012 21:24 BXiT wrote:
I am astonished that you ask a link to web profile for a job.
Maybe it is common practice in the US, but I can tell that it is a really toxic one.

You can't ask everyone to be popularity bitchs to do some brillant work. Some people are more reserved by nature and want a clear separation between work and personnal life (Day[9] for instance). You have to respect that


Do you really think that if you have brilliant work to show, but not a github account, it will be held against you?

I'm pretty sure links are optional, so it's not an issue anyway, but I really really doubt a person without a GH/SO account can have brilliant work to show. "Reserved by nature" is just an excuse to avoid feedback and thus polish out the flaws.

Of course there are exceptions, a lot of them, very talented developers too, but then again they don't have any problems finding a job either.

Also it's not about being a "populairty bitch", it's about getting your name out there, raising it's value. Employers prefer active community members, like it or not. OS projects also show that programming is a passion for you and not just a 9-5 job. Again, like it or not, it's the way it is. And it's not just US, it's the way whole IT world is. You'd know that if you'd be more open to it

tl;dr: unless you've graduated MIT at 18 or hacked google or have 200+ IQ, there is no excuse not to have GH/SO and/or being active in other ways. You're shooting yourself in the foot by avoiding that.


Well, I was disagreeing BXiT, but I guess what he was referring to was someone like you, talking about "excuses" not to have a GH/SO account. It's cool of topic-starter to be willing to look at whatever code you've shared to get an opinion of your skills, but you'll find that among the people who do participate, the most skilled people are quite likely not to be sharing much.
dsjoerg
Profile Joined January 2012
United States384 Posts
April 19 2012 16:38 GMT
#55
i've been hiring software developers since 1997... there are many ways for a developer to demonstrate their skills. sharing a code sample (via github, email, whatever) is one way for a developer to demonstrate their skills. another way is to show off completed finished products that users are enjoying. yet another way is to do a "code test", either remotely or in house. or references from past employers. excellent grades from a top CS school is also meaningful. i've been involved in all of those methods, both as a candidate and employer.

none of the above are requirements, just different ways to show that you are good.

one of the best programmers i've ever worked with never went to college.
card-carrying grubby fan. developer of GGTracker.
spancho
Profile Joined September 2009
United States161 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-19 17:01:53
April 19 2012 16:53 GMT
#56
This is such a cool application! If my comp sci skills were a little higher level I would apply for this in an instant. Got to grind through some more textbook quests in the MMO of life to level that shit up first.

I just went to the site in question and started uploading 2-300 games. I love the status messages! "taking a nap...", "playing diablo 3..." "making a pizza..." "maphacking..." humor! on the internet too! who would have guessed!
"Your face can't hurt 'cuz you're ugly." -Tasteless
Hug-A-Hydralisk
Profile Joined February 2012
United States174 Posts
April 19 2012 17:07 GMT
#57
Lol, this makes Starcraft II more of a job than a game.
Get your PC gaming fix here: http://www.youtube.com/cinicraft YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO!!
Jisira
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
470 Posts
April 19 2012 22:23 GMT
#58
If I had the skills, I'd apply for sure. Sounds really cool, good luck to the applicants as well as you, David!
ceaser
Profile Joined March 2011
United States7 Posts
April 19 2012 22:44 GMT
#59
Are you only looking for full time positions? I'd love to help out but I can't do it on a full time basis, only something like contractor work.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/eaceaser
@asdf - http://twitter.com/asdf
dsjoerg
Profile Joined January 2012
United States384 Posts
April 19 2012 23:20 GMT
#60
Only looking for full time, ceaser, thanks for your interest.

Hug-A-Hydralisk, I know what you mean and I've wondered the same thing.

Of course, ggtracker won't be for everyone. Like any sport, some people play casually and that's great.

But some people get a lot of enjoyment through sport by not only competing, but by striving to improve. And for those people, I hope they'll enjoy tools that let them see their progress, rather than just laddering endlessly and wondering if anything is really changing. Does that make a job? I'd say not really, just because it's organized and you can see your progress doesn't make it a job. What makes something a job and a grind is the feeling that you have to do it whether you want to or not, and that it's not very fulfilling... if anyone here feels that way about Starcraft, I say go try some other pursuit for a while, regain your perspective, and let the things you love about SC2 pull you back in.

Just my 2 cents of course...
card-carrying grubby fan. developer of GGTracker.
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