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CraftedSC
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Kamedience
United States34 Posts
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mymp.Seph
Poland15 Posts
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jabberwocky
Singapore59 Posts
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
On April 16 2011 19:31 jabberwocky wrote: Damn. If only there were awesome coaches like these available in SEA With a sea account you can get a NA account! | ||
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SonPeo
Italy2 Posts
don't you think seriously to pay for a coach? do you think all the master are master because some one teached them to play? I think you don't need... If you need to know for game mechanics you can find info them online or discover alone or some friends. If you need to be fast in micro/macro then you need to practices more and more until you obtain the result. Watch many good replays and you will learn many things Some people have the skill, some one else acquire them with practice some other (like me) will not be never enough skilled to go to master league. However remember the third Newton law "simplified" to an action respond a reaction, scout scout and scout. I know that the money are yours and you can decide to spend them how better you think but i think this can be do from people that have the goal to became master and earn with this boost. Please, desRow. Kyhol, Titan, don't hate me for my opinion that is and remain only my, an old noob bronze without possibility to grow. Regards to all GL HF Ps: sorry for my bad english User was warned for this post | ||
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goodfella
Germany23 Posts
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
On April 17 2011 02:44 SonPeo wrote: Hi guys, don't you think seriously to pay for a coach? do you think all the master are master because some one teached them to play? I think you don't need... If you need to know for game mechanics you can find info them online or discover alone or some friends. If you need to be fast in micro/macro then you need to practices more and more until you obtain the result. Watch many good replays and you will learn many things Some people have the skill, some one else acquire them with practice some other (like me) will not be never enough skilled to go to master league. However remember the third Newton law "simplified" to an action respond a reaction, scout scout and scout. I know that the money are yours and you can decide to spend them how better you think but i think this can be do from people that have the goal to became master and earn with this boost. Please, desRow. Kyhol, Titan, don't hate me for my opinion that is and remain only my, an old noob bronze without possibility to grow. Regards to all GL HF Ps: sorry for my bad english Piano teachers... Guitar teachers... You are entitled to your opinion but the facts are against you. As for what happens during a coaching session. It usually starts with a replay analysis to evaluate what you lack in your gameplay and what needs to be fixed. Then it might be practicing a build order against the computer, might be helping your mechanincs, might be doing micro battles on a micro map if that's what you lack OR it might be live coaching. Finding someone of your skill level in a chat channel and going toe to toe with him while the coach is trying to help you out with the build order and with the decision making ! | ||
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PrOmiseCAST
United States305 Posts
Best of luck ! <3 | ||
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Waderade
Canada29 Posts
User was warned for this post User was banned for this post. | ||
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HD-True
Canada14 Posts
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GranDGranT
Sri Lanka2141 Posts
Desrow will be what he wants to be, and nothing more. | ||
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Wawa
United States215 Posts
Are bronze, silver, gold league players gonna learn a lot from these? | ||
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bruteMax
Canada339 Posts
On April 17 2011 02:44 SonPeo wrote: Hi guys, don't you think seriously to pay for a coach? Your first post on TL.net is a slam on paying for coaching? Ok.... | ||
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Exil
Poland88 Posts
On April 17 2011 04:03 desrow wrote: Piano teachers... Guitar teachers... You are entitled to your opinion but the facts are against you. As for what happens during a coaching session. It usually starts with a replay analysis to evaluate what you lack in your gameplay and what needs to be fixed. Then it might be practicing a build order against the computer, might be helping your mechanincs, might be doing micro battles on a micro map if that's what you lack OR it might be live coaching. Finding someone of your skill level in a chat channel and going toe to toe with him while the coach is trying to help you out with the build order and with the decision making ! You are saying this only, because you are geting 25$/h. You know, that if you want to be good, you need to watch your reps by yourself and see what you are doing bad. When you lose, and watch rep after and don;t know what to improve, you NEVER will be good. But the most important thing is to play A LOT! 15, 20 games a day or more. Do you ever play on any instrument? I think not, because if you will, you will know that on guitar, piano one finger in bad place will ruin whole song. In sc2? not. Micro battle coaching? seriously? what are you saing by skype? "click on 3rd stalker and move 2 cm back"? I don't see how you can help in micro by coaching. Everything that you need is tons of hours in sc2. Like in football. Messi play his whole life, and he is the best football player on the world. Not becouse someone say him how to do this. He just play, play and play all the time (yes, he train in barcelona since 13 years old. But he know how to do this, he just need to do it more, to be better, and better). I can only agree with mechanics. Yes, you can help in this. But in my opinion only in this. But ofc, after some games, you will know what to do, and what not. But, if people pay 25$, good for you, that there is someone, that pay for thing like this. I don't see any sense in this. ps sry for my english. I don't use it to much  | ||
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Lea
Sweden120 Posts
On April 16 2011 11:43 Talin wrote: I don't really know much about how coaching generally goes. I'm considering trying it out it lately, but there's one thing that I'm kinda confused about. The thing is, if I want to learn PvZ in-depth for example, it would make more sense to me to pay for an hour with a top Zerg player than a top Protoss one. But as far as I can read from various threads/vods/etc, everybody seems to be paying for or coaching only players of their own race. Is it even possible to get a coach for "matchup" coaching, or is that considered bad practice for some reason? It makes sense because the player of your race knows exactly how to deal with what the zerg can toss at you. A zerg player may know how a toss can counter, but cannot explain to you in detail why like timings on build order and so on, placement of proxies on map etc. Only a toss can do that. For example, when I was watching the European ESL tournament earlier this week, one caster didn't know much at all about zerg, so the other caster had to keep correct him, especially in ZvZ match ups this caster, being a toss player, obviously had little to no experience of at all. He had basic knowledge of zerg, we all should or we can't play against them, but he lacked that in depth knowledge the other caster had, and this is why you need coaching of someone who plays your race. Tough luck if you play random, though. without possibility to grow. And this is why you won't grow. If you've decided you won't grow you simply will not. Playing Starcraft is equally much of training the mind as it is practicing your finger dexterity. Obviously, if a child sits stubbornly on the floor and says "I don't want to!", nothing is going to happen. Having a personal coach can simplify your experience a lot. Just look at the Day9 stream when Day9 coaches djWheat and he basically improves drastically in the course of a couple of games, because Day9 forces Wheat outside his own comfort zone of play which can be very hard to break out of if you are not consciously trying to do that (and sometimes a lot of games simply just won't allow you to do it). You are entitled your opinion, but your post reveals a lot why you are still in bronze and not in master league. You are saying this only, because you are geting 25$/h. You know, that if you want to be good, you need to watch your reps by yourself and see what you are doing bad. When you lose, and watch rep after and don;t know what to improve, you NEVER will be good. But the most important thing is to play A LOT! 15, 20 games a day or more. Do you ever play on any instrument? I think not, because if you will, you will know that on guitar, piano one finger in bad place will ruin whole song. In sc2? not. Micro battle coaching? seriously? what are you saing by skype? "click on 3rd stalker and move 2 cm back"? I don't see how you can help in micro by coaching. Everything that you need is tons of hours in sc2. Like in football. Messi play his whole life, and he is the best football player on the world. Not becouse someone say him how to do this. He just play, play and play all the time (yes, he train in barcelona since 13 years old. But he know how to do this, he just need to do it more, to be better, and better). I can only agree with mechanics. Yes, you can help in this. But in my opinion only in this. But ofc, after some games, you will know what to do, and what not. But, if people pay 25$, good for you, that there is someone, that pay for thing like this. I don't see any sense in this. Practicing doesn't do much if you are practicing the wrong things. Yes, I say that as a guitar player. And no, one mistake in a song does not necessarily ruin the song. The key to being a good performer is how you HIDE your mistakes. I've seen big artists do mistakes LIVE, but people won't notice because 1) most listeners will not know they are there and thus not being aware that it is in fact a mistake and 2) a good musician makes the mistake a part of their play, their performance, so the audience goes "aha, that was a cool trick!". Missing a macro moment or a micro moment in SC2 CAN make you lose the game, though, but not necessarily, because perfect execution is simply very hard. You think the pros play perfectly? Think again. The reason why they are pros is not because they play perfect, but because the dedication they put into reducing their imperfection. If you are in a mirror match up, the amount of units you have can make a big difference, even if the difference is that you are 2 units less than your opponent. If your opponent and you are equally skilled in micro and have the same upgrades and unit composition and the battle position does not favor either player, then you will loose simply due to poor macro. If you have less units but you won the battle, then you won because the opponent had poor micro. Again, you speak of things you do not seem to know of well and your attitude yet again reveals why you are "mere" bronze and not in master league. Watching streams and so on help, but all this can be tossed through the window when you have to put things into practice. Theory is always simple and it's simple to sit here on the forums to say "Day9 taught me how to macro through his stream", when what really matters is how you can use that knowledge in practice. My guess is, seeing you claim that you are a bronze player, is that you do not do this very well (yet). Most people can repeat a build order and their specific timing windows, but do they do this when they play? | ||
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HD-True
Canada14 Posts
still coaching is needed how else can good starcraft players make extra money on the side ?I think that they can get people out of the lower leagues, easily just listen watch be confident. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
 Just wanted to respond to the discussing of "is coaching worth it? who needs coaching?" In reality, nobody "needs" coaching. Everyone can reach their potential through hard work without coaching. To me, there are two main reasons people get lessons. - They don't enjoy playing the game at a mediocre level, and they feel they have to improve before they start enjoying the game. Coaching boosts that process a bit and makes them feel like they're learning a lot more. - They just enjoy the coaching. Some people like to hang out with someone who knows a lot, play with them a bit, and get a better perspective on how they think. | ||
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Mr Showtime
United States1353 Posts
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JediGamer
United States656 Posts
On April 17 2011 13:00 Pokebunny wrote: Heyo Just wanted to respond to the discussing of "is coaching worth it? who needs coaching?" In reality, nobody "needs" coaching. Everyone can reach their potential through hard work without coaching. To me, there are two main reasons people get lessons. - They don't enjoy playing the game at a mediocre level, and they feel they have to improve before they start enjoying the game. Coaching boosts that process a bit and makes them feel like they're learning a lot more. - They just enjoy the coaching. Some people like to hang out with someone who knows a lot, play with them a bit, and get a better perspective on how they think. You realize every GSTL team had a coach too right? Your the perfect example why coaching is great. It opens your mind to a new view- one that you can't reach on your own due to blind ignorance or inexperience and any other tangent that is preventing you from improving. | ||
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