Sup guys, this is desRow. Kyhol, Titan and myself have decided to buy a sponsored thread together to expand our experience as coaches. We are all grand masters players and have what it takes to make anyone from zero to hero. We all have different rates so make sure to click on the spoilers and read more about us.
About Me Hey all. I'm Kyle Hollett of All For ONE Gaming. I've decided to put a lot of my time and efforts into coaching players who have the desire to improve their play. If you have the will to take your game play to the next level, and have the drive to push it even further then I'm interested in coaching you! I have had numerous students in Starcraft 2 and others dating back to Brood War. I've always been very passionate about coaching, I care about your progress so I will bend over backwards helping to push you to tap into your potential. A short history of my RTS experience: I've been involved in Starcraft for 8 years, and I've been competitive in Starcraft for 5. I know what it takes to become a solid player. I've hit A- on ICCUP and in Starcraft 2 I have been on top of the ladder since beta.
About Me Tristan "vVvTitan" Johnson is one of the top North American Zerg players. His gaming experience started with his introduction to SC:Brood War at the age of 12. Although SC:BW was not as competitive as it is today, it paved a way for his knowledge to grow in RTS games. After playing SC:BW for 6 years, Titan decided to move on to Warcraft 3. Much like his current fame in Starcraft 2, Titan never really pushed himself to become known even though he showed much skill. In fact, it wasn't until Defense of the Ancients became popular that Titan emerged showing his talent in Competitive Gaming. In the early stages of DOTA, Titan was known as verGe.OrgA. Having dedicated hours of practice, he quickly rose to be argued as one of the best in world. After becoming burnt out, Titan moved to World of Warcraft and played casually for 3 years. Now, with the release of Starcraft 2, vVvTitan is beginning to emerge and challenge professionals around the world. Even with a work schedule of 30+ hours and being a full time student, he still manages to compete with top players. However, because of this strenuous schedule vVvTitan still remains an unknown for having lacked the time to compete in more tournaments.
A Little Background on Why I Am A Good Teacher: There are many teachers out there who can just say... Build Drones now. Make Zerglings. Creep Tumor, GO. You know what? I'm not that type of guy. Having played the trumpet for 14 years, I understand there are various techniques needed to achieve higher levels of performance. Lets say you are having trouble with queen injects during a game. Do you practice build orders to fix this? Do you practice just playing a game and focusing on Queens? The answer is No. The true way to accel in anything is to break it down to its simplist form. In this instance, I would have you start with 1 hatchery, 1 zergling, and 1 queen. During this drill you are to run the zergling around the map and only focus on that zergling. When you feel the queen is at 25 energy, you go to the queen and see if the timing is correct. If the Queen is at 18 energy, then you must continue running the Zergling until the queen reaches 25 for the inject. Once the 25 energy timing for larve becomes second nature, you may begin adding an Extra Queen until you hit 5 (anything more than 5 queens is probably overkill). At 5 queens, you should have hatcheries around the map and need to create some sort of system for injecting all 5 as quickly as possible...Enough.
Accomplishments: - 1st place finish in Wysley's cup #3,4,6,10 - 1st place finish of SCL's Season 1 - 2nd place finisher in Season 2 - 2nd place finish in Hypercrew #13 - 1st place finish at LANKnights Open - Consistantly top 50 on Blizzard's Top 200 (even though he ladders in Korea) - Multiple Appearences on MrBitter's 12 weeks with the pros - Featured Stream on TeamLiquid - HotKeyIt.com Coach
Contact Information (Preffered) E-Mail: Tristan.Johnson107@gmail.com Skype: Tristan.Johnson7 Bnet: vVvTitan.505
About Me Hey guys, it’s me again :D. I had quite a crazy month and wanted to update you guys on what’s been going on with me beside becoming a grand master . I now have a site of my own: http://desrowfighting.com I blog daily about my streaming hours, my tournament results, tournament results of my practice partners and more. I also coach 4-6hours a day on average and ladder in between and all of that is streamed on my featured channel http://desrowfighting.com/stream Make sure to check it out. Make sure to follow me on my twitter http://www.twitter.com/desrowCA and sign up for my RAFFLE of 1hour of free coaching by following me and tweeting "@desRowCA will make a man out of me" (or lady) !
Rates As far as my coaching goes, my rate is 25$/hr and I am now sitting at 250hours of experience. You can find all the information about my coaching here
desRow will improve your game. Guaranteed. I had some problems that I was aware of but had stuffed into the back of my mind to worry about later, and desRow not only pointed out how not fixing those problems was keeping me in diamond, but how things I didn't see were keeping me in diamond as well.
If you buy a lesson from desRow you will not be disappointed.
I'm a Terran player and have learned a lot watching desRow coach protoss players. I hope I might get even more benefit from Terran coach. (Low Diamond Player)
Thanks to desRow's coaching, I increased my protoss gameplay from low plat to high diamond, and currently beating masters to secure my place in the masters league. Kyhol is also very knowledgeable of the game, a great pair. Of course titan too .
Desrow is great is funny to watch, great coach, speaks easily with low level players, but still with that kind of attitude towards higher leagues, that is great for players to improve their gamestyle.
Oh man, I would love to buy coaching from Desrow, but i need to get a freaking job first. Once I get a job and some cash coming in then I can buy coaching.
Been watching desRow's stream for a while now. The guy is really witty and gives in-depth advise suited for people from bronze up to masters. If your thinking of investing in coaching, he seems like a really good choice.
Desrow is the biggest boss on earth and a multitasking king making sure his streams chat is clean from nonsens while giving perfect coaching and entertainment at the same time!
hi^^ im and diamond 2nd place, but it is in 3v3 i'm only playing 3v3.... would u say that i should play 1v1 to benefit from ur coaching??? Turn 18 next month and i want to get a lesson when i get a visa card??? btw im a protoss player
On April 16 2011 07:59 Vogelstarcraft wrote: hi^^ im and diamond 2nd place, but it is in 3v3 i'm only playing 3v3.... would u say that i should play 1v1 to benefit from ur coaching??? Turn 18 next month and i want to get a lesson when i get a visa card??? btw im a protoss player
I don't really know much about how coaching generally goes. I'm considering trying it out it lately, but there's one thing that I'm kinda confused about.
The thing is, if I want to learn PvZ in-depth for example, it would make more sense to me to pay for an hour with a top Zerg player than a top Protoss one. But as far as I can read from various threads/vods/etc, everybody seems to be paying for or coaching only players of their own race.
Is it even possible to get a coach for "matchup" coaching, or is that considered bad practice for some reason?
Kyhol coached me before and he was very insightful. He pointed out a lot of small mistakes I hadn't noticed before. Definitely improved my game. I highly recommend him as a coach. Good luck!
don't you think seriously to pay for a coach? do you think all the master are master because some one teached them to play? I think you don't need... If you need to know for game mechanics you can find info them online or discover alone or some friends. If you need to be fast in micro/macro then you need to practices more and more until you obtain the result. Watch many good replays and you will learn many things
Some people have the skill, some one else acquire them with practice some other (like me) will not be never enough skilled to go to master league. However remember the third Newton law "simplified" to an action respond a reaction, scout scout and scout.
I know that the money are yours and you can decide to spend them how better you think but i think this can be do from people that have the goal to became master and earn with this boost.
Please, desRow. Kyhol, Titan, don't hate me for my opinion that is and remain only my, an old noob bronze without possibility to grow.
don't you think seriously to pay for a coach? do you think all the master are master because some one teached them to play? I think you don't need... If you need to know for game mechanics you can find info them online or discover alone or some friends. If you need to be fast in micro/macro then you need to practices more and more until you obtain the result. Watch many good replays and you will learn many things
Some people have the skill, some one else acquire them with practice some other (like me) will not be never enough skilled to go to master league. However remember the third Newton law "simplified" to an action respond a reaction, scout scout and scout.
I know that the money are yours and you can decide to spend them how better you think but i think this can be do from people that have the goal to became master and earn with this boost.
Please, desRow. Kyhol, Titan, don't hate me for my opinion that is and remain only my, an old noob bronze without possibility to grow.
Regards to all GL HF Ps: sorry for my bad english
Piano teachers... Guitar teachers... You are entitled to your opinion but the facts are against you.
As for what happens during a coaching session. It usually starts with a replay analysis to evaluate what you lack in your gameplay and what needs to be fixed. Then it might be practicing a build order against the computer, might be helping your mechanincs, might be doing micro battles on a micro map if that's what you lack OR it might be live coaching. Finding someone of your skill level in a chat channel and going toe to toe with him while the coach is trying to help you out with the build order and with the decision making !
Kyhol is a great player as well as a great coach! If you are a Terran player and need tips and advice on how to take your game to the next level Kyhol is the person to go to! Really funny guy as well.
DesRow is a great coach with a nice since of humor "what you doin i outta slap you for that" I been watching him stream for a long time now and feel that he is able to do his job correctly and point out the errors of other players. Son peo confidence is the key and already from what you written you lack at saying your just a bronze player. we all started somewhere and we grew from what we learned I myself am mentall dissabled which makes me a bad player in sc II even I placed one of my ranks in diamond i was a gold 1v1 player last season, watching DesRow I been getting better idea's and style's of play. Watching his stream last night i actually wanted to play him 1v1 while he was playing with one hand i was one number off, i did not want to actually play but just thank him he was one of the only people who talked to me in VT vent and now he is no longer a part of them. I know what that's like to have 1 person in a guild or group just ruin your day, this person will remain nameless but VT knows so does Marc. So take it easy Marc and good luck with your coaching.
Feeling betrayed I cast aside all Bias I once had for a man, to be or not to be? I felt that if i was ignored I would be rescued, but why? Was there another? Would Said man betray me again?
Desrow will be what he wants to be, and nothing more.
don't you think seriously to pay for a coach? do you think all the master are master because some one teached them to play? I think you don't need... If you need to know for game mechanics you can find info them online or discover alone or some friends. If you need to be fast in micro/macro then you need to practices more and more until you obtain the result. Watch many good replays and you will learn many things
Some people have the skill, some one else acquire them with practice some other (like me) will not be never enough skilled to go to master league. However remember the third Newton law "simplified" to an action respond a reaction, scout scout and scout.
I know that the money are yours and you can decide to spend them how better you think but i think this can be do from people that have the goal to became master and earn with this boost.
Please, desRow. Kyhol, Titan, don't hate me for my opinion that is and remain only my, an old noob bronze without possibility to grow.
Regards to all GL HF Ps: sorry for my bad english
Piano teachers... Guitar teachers... You are entitled to your opinion but the facts are against you.
As for what happens during a coaching session. It usually starts with a replay analysis to evaluate what you lack in your gameplay and what needs to be fixed. Then it might be practicing a build order against the computer, might be helping your mechanincs, might be doing micro battles on a micro map if that's what you lack OR it might be live coaching. Finding someone of your skill level in a chat channel and going toe to toe with him while the coach is trying to help you out with the build order and with the decision making !
You are saying this only, because you are geting 25$/h. You know, that if you want to be good, you need to watch your reps by yourself and see what you are doing bad. When you lose, and watch rep after and don;t know what to improve, you NEVER will be good. But the most important thing is to play A LOT! 15, 20 games a day or more. Do you ever play on any instrument? I think not, because if you will, you will know that on guitar, piano one finger in bad place will ruin whole song. In sc2? not. Micro battle coaching? seriously? what are you saing by skype? "click on 3rd stalker and move 2 cm back"? I don't see how you can help in micro by coaching. Everything that you need is tons of hours in sc2. Like in football. Messi play his whole life, and he is the best football player on the world. Not becouse someone say him how to do this. He just play, play and play all the time (yes, he train in barcelona since 13 years old. But he know how to do this, he just need to do it more, to be better, and better). I can only agree with mechanics. Yes, you can help in this. But in my opinion only in this. But ofc, after some games, you will know what to do, and what not. But, if people pay 25$, good for you, that there is someone, that pay for thing like this. I don't see any sense in this.
On April 16 2011 11:43 Talin wrote: I don't really know much about how coaching generally goes. I'm considering trying it out it lately, but there's one thing that I'm kinda confused about.
The thing is, if I want to learn PvZ in-depth for example, it would make more sense to me to pay for an hour with a top Zerg player than a top Protoss one. But as far as I can read from various threads/vods/etc, everybody seems to be paying for or coaching only players of their own race.
Is it even possible to get a coach for "matchup" coaching, or is that considered bad practice for some reason?
It makes sense because the player of your race knows exactly how to deal with what the zerg can toss at you. A zerg player may know how a toss can counter, but cannot explain to you in detail why like timings on build order and so on, placement of proxies on map etc. Only a toss can do that.
For example, when I was watching the European ESL tournament earlier this week, one caster didn't know much at all about zerg, so the other caster had to keep correct him, especially in ZvZ match ups this caster, being a toss player, obviously had little to no experience of at all. He had basic knowledge of zerg, we all should or we can't play against them, but he lacked that in depth knowledge the other caster had, and this is why you need coaching of someone who plays your race. Tough luck if you play random, though.
without possibility to grow.
And this is why you won't grow. If you've decided you won't grow you simply will not. Playing Starcraft is equally much of training the mind as it is practicing your finger dexterity. Obviously, if a child sits stubbornly on the floor and says "I don't want to!", nothing is going to happen. Having a personal coach can simplify your experience a lot. Just look at the Day9 stream when Day9 coaches djWheat and he basically improves drastically in the course of a couple of games, because Day9 forces Wheat outside his own comfort zone of play which can be very hard to break out of if you are not consciously trying to do that (and sometimes a lot of games simply just won't allow you to do it).
You are entitled your opinion, but your post reveals a lot why you are still in bronze and not in master league.
You are saying this only, because you are geting 25$/h. You know, that if you want to be good, you need to watch your reps by yourself and see what you are doing bad. When you lose, and watch rep after and don;t know what to improve, you NEVER will be good. But the most important thing is to play A LOT! 15, 20 games a day or more. Do you ever play on any instrument? I think not, because if you will, you will know that on guitar, piano one finger in bad place will ruin whole song. In sc2? not. Micro battle coaching? seriously? what are you saing by skype? "click on 3rd stalker and move 2 cm back"? I don't see how you can help in micro by coaching. Everything that you need is tons of hours in sc2. Like in football. Messi play his whole life, and he is the best football player on the world. Not becouse someone say him how to do this. He just play, play and play all the time (yes, he train in barcelona since 13 years old. But he know how to do this, he just need to do it more, to be better, and better). I can only agree with mechanics. Yes, you can help in this. But in my opinion only in this. But ofc, after some games, you will know what to do, and what not. But, if people pay 25$, good for you, that there is someone, that pay for thing like this. I don't see any sense in this.
Practicing doesn't do much if you are practicing the wrong things. Yes, I say that as a guitar player. And no, one mistake in a song does not necessarily ruin the song. The key to being a good performer is how you HIDE your mistakes. I've seen big artists do mistakes LIVE, but people won't notice because 1) most listeners will not know they are there and thus not being aware that it is in fact a mistake and 2) a good musician makes the mistake a part of their play, their performance, so the audience goes "aha, that was a cool trick!".
Missing a macro moment or a micro moment in SC2 CAN make you lose the game, though, but not necessarily, because perfect execution is simply very hard. You think the pros play perfectly? Think again. The reason why they are pros is not because they play perfect, but because the dedication they put into reducing their imperfection. If you are in a mirror match up, the amount of units you have can make a big difference, even if the difference is that you are 2 units less than your opponent. If your opponent and you are equally skilled in micro and have the same upgrades and unit composition and the battle position does not favor either player, then you will loose simply due to poor macro. If you have less units but you won the battle, then you won because the opponent had poor micro.
Again, you speak of things you do not seem to know of well and your attitude yet again reveals why you are "mere" bronze and not in master league. Watching streams and so on help, but all this can be tossed through the window when you have to put things into practice. Theory is always simple and it's simple to sit here on the forums to say "Day9 taught me how to macro through his stream", when what really matters is how you can use that knowledge in practice. My guess is, seeing you claim that you are a bronze player, is that you do not do this very well (yet).
Most people can repeat a build order and their specific timing windows, but do they do this when they play?
Desrow coaching a toss player vs a terran: STIM STIM STIM, I mean forcefield >.< classic moments even coaches make mistakes. but that's the best part, if the terran player was watching the stream he was being coached as well lol still coaching is needed how else can good starcraft players make extra money on the side ? I think that they can get people out of the lower leagues, easily just listen watch be confident.
Just wanted to respond to the discussing of "is coaching worth it? who needs coaching?"
In reality, nobody "needs" coaching. Everyone can reach their potential through hard work without coaching. To me, there are two main reasons people get lessons.
- They don't enjoy playing the game at a mediocre level, and they feel they have to improve before they start enjoying the game. Coaching boosts that process a bit and makes them feel like they're learning a lot more. - They just enjoy the coaching. Some people like to hang out with someone who knows a lot, play with them a bit, and get a better perspective on how they think.
Just wanted to respond to the discussing of "is coaching worth it? who needs coaching?"
In reality, nobody "needs" coaching. Everyone can reach their potential through hard work without coaching. To me, there are two main reasons people get lessons.
- They don't enjoy playing the game at a mediocre level, and they feel they have to improve before they start enjoying the game. Coaching boosts that process a bit and makes them feel like they're learning a lot more. - They just enjoy the coaching. Some people like to hang out with someone who knows a lot, play with them a bit, and get a better perspective on how they think.
You realize every GSTL team had a coach too right? Your the perfect example why coaching is great.
It opens your mind to a new view- one that you can't reach on your own due to blind ignorance or inexperience and any other tangent that is preventing you from improving.
On April 16 2011 11:43 Talin wrote: I don't really know much about how coaching generally goes. I'm considering trying it out it lately, but there's one thing that I'm kinda confused about.
The thing is, if I want to learn PvZ in-depth for example, it would make more sense to me to pay for an hour with a top Zerg player than a top Protoss one. But as far as I can read from various threads/vods/etc, everybody seems to be paying for or coaching only players of their own race.
Is it even possible to get a coach for "matchup" coaching, or is that considered bad practice for some reason?
It makes sense because the player of your race knows exactly how to deal with what the zerg can toss at you. A zerg player may know how a toss can counter, but cannot explain to you in detail why like timings on build order and so on, placement of proxies on map etc. Only a toss can do that.
For example, when I was watching the European ESL tournament earlier this week, one caster didn't know much at all about zerg, so the other caster had to keep correct him, especially in ZvZ match ups this caster, being a toss player, obviously had little to no experience of at all. He had basic knowledge of zerg, we all should or we can't play against them, but he lacked that in depth knowledge the other caster had, and this is why you need coaching of someone who plays your race. Tough luck if you play random, though.
And this is why you won't grow. If you've decided you won't grow you simply will not. Playing Starcraft is equally much of training the mind as it is practicing your finger dexterity. Obviously, if a child sits stubbornly on the floor and says "I don't want to!", nothing is going to happen. Having a personal coach can simplify your experience a lot. Just look at the Day9 stream when Day9 coaches djWheat and he basically improves drastically in the course of a couple of games, because Day9 forces Wheat outside his own comfort zone of play which can be very hard to break out of if you are not consciously trying to do that (and sometimes a lot of games simply just won't allow you to do it).
You are entitled your opinion, but your post reveals a lot why you are still in bronze and not in master league.
You are saying this only, because you are geting 25$/h. You know, that if you want to be good, you need to watch your reps by yourself and see what you are doing bad. When you lose, and watch rep after and don;t know what to improve, you NEVER will be good. But the most important thing is to play A LOT! 15, 20 games a day or more. Do you ever play on any instrument? I think not, because if you will, you will know that on guitar, piano one finger in bad place will ruin whole song. In sc2? not. Micro battle coaching? seriously? what are you saing by skype? "click on 3rd stalker and move 2 cm back"? I don't see how you can help in micro by coaching. Everything that you need is tons of hours in sc2. Like in football. Messi play his whole life, and he is the best football player on the world. Not becouse someone say him how to do this. He just play, play and play all the time (yes, he train in barcelona since 13 years old. But he know how to do this, he just need to do it more, to be better, and better). I can only agree with mechanics. Yes, you can help in this. But in my opinion only in this. But ofc, after some games, you will know what to do, and what not. But, if people pay 25$, good for you, that there is someone, that pay for thing like this. I don't see any sense in this.
Practicing doesn't do much if you are practicing the wrong things. Yes, I say that as a guitar player. And no, one mistake in a song does not necessarily ruin the song. The key to being a good performer is how you HIDE your mistakes. I've seen big artists do mistakes LIVE, but people won't notice because 1) most listeners will not know they are there and thus not being aware that it is in fact a mistake and 2) a good musician makes the mistake a part of their play, their performance, so the audience goes "aha, that was a cool trick!".
Missing a macro moment or a micro moment in SC2 CAN make you lose the game, though, but not necessarily, because perfect execution is simply very hard. You think the pros play perfectly? Think again. The reason why they are pros is not because they play perfect, but because the dedication they put into reducing their imperfection. If you are in a mirror match up, the amount of units you have can make a big difference, even if the difference is that you are 2 units less than your opponent. If your opponent and you are equally skilled in micro and have the same upgrades and unit composition and the battle position does not favor either player, then you will loose simply due to poor macro. If you have less units but you won the battle, then you won because the opponent had poor micro.
Again, you speak of things you do not seem to know of well and your attitude yet again reveals why you are "mere" bronze and not in master league. Watching streams and so on help, but all this can be tossed through the window when you have to put things into practice. Theory is always simple and it's simple to sit here on the forums to say "Day9 taught me how to macro through his stream", when what really matters is how you can use that knowledge in practice. My guess is, seeing you claim that you are a bronze player, is that you do not do this very well (yet).
Most people can repeat a build order and their specific timing windows, but do they do this when they play?
I love you for being right and accurate. Now I don't have to write all that stuff. :D <3
[QUOTE]On April 17 2011 09:36 Lea wrote: [QUOTE]On April 16 2011 11:43 Talin wrote: [quote] without possibility to grow.[/quote]
And this is why you won't grow. If you've decided you won't grow you simply will not. Playing Starcraft is equally much of training the mind as it is practicing your finger dexterity. Obviously, if a child sits stubbornly on the floor and says "I don't want to!", nothing is going to happen. Having a personal coach can simplify your experience a lot. Just look at the Day9 stream when Day9 coaches djWheat and he basically improves drastically in the course of a couple of games, because Day9 forces Wheat outside his own comfort zone of play which can be very hard to break out of if you are not consciously trying to do that (and sometimes a lot of games simply just won't allow you to do it).
You are entitled your opinion, but your post reveals a lot why you are still in bronze and not in master league. [/QUOTE]
I decided to removed my answer because i was warmed about my initial post. This for me means that I'm not free to express my personal opinion because goes against someone or something. I think I was friendly, i didn't insulted no one, i did express only my opinion.
Perhaps my post help to push people to give a sense more deep to the life and put a balance between games and real life and this in a portal where the game became a business is not tolerated
So to collaborate to the admins, i decided to remove my answer .
On April 17 2011 22:21 SonPeo wrote: Hmm.. you speak about a child that don't want to grow... no, is not my case. I am old enough to be your uncle or your father, I have a family to maintain, sons that play to Starcraft for fun and not to earn. I would like to push to ratiocinate the other people if have sense to spend money in a coach for a "game". I understand who teach say yes, but who spend for this why should... only to say "i am in diamond/master"!!! In the life there are many priority, I chosen my, time ago. So do not judge the because i am in bronze.... I tell you why i am in bronze.
I'm in bronze because i spend time to work to maintain the family when I back to home play with my sons and a little bit hour i spend for play, I'm not interested to say I'm master or I am the best player in the world is enough that my sons tell me "you are the best" (not in SC2 of course)
If your goal in your live is to play 10 hours at any game, we are very distant views about life.
For all, make your choice considering that is only a game, however if the money are not a problem ad you don't have better way to spend the most time in other then pay for coaching.
Some one in previous post consider culture or music teaching equals to the teach for a game... ...without words.
Regards
I Would really love to know what the purpose of your post in this Thread is?
Do you have a problem with people spending money for something they want to be better at? It was already said that throughout the world , people paid money all the time to get teached. Litteraly for everything. You want to be better at something? You WILL find somebody who is going to teach you. ( At this point we dont talk about the quality of teaching)
Do you have a problem with the rensponsibility the coach takes, considering he takes money so he needs to be well prepared and should try to do his best to teach his student, as there is no way you can know if he's going to do that?
You say you're not interested in being in the masters league. So i understand why you wont consider taking a teaching lesson, as you play this for fun, and fun only. But at the same time i think YOU should understand that there are people who dont play games the way you do.
Nobody in this thread said anything about kids that play 24hours a day, dont get a job, have no friends whatsoever, but somehow you imply that anybody who even thinks about getting a coaching lesson is like that?
I dont think there are lots of people who are actually willing to spend money to get coached that have not thought about if they really want it, or why they want it. They know it is "just" a game. But it isnt just a game like the way it is for you.
So when the purpose of your post is neither to criticize Teaching in general, nor the quality of teaching of the ppl who offered their services, it seems to me that you cannot respect what other ppl want to do with their money. I mean there is no agreement whatsoever, nobody is getting trapped and their money stolen or something like that, so why dont you just open up a post in the general forum and write about your discontent about the way people spend their time and money. That way you can have your discussion there and you dont leave a bad impression here, as the discussion about what is right or wrong really does not belong in this thread.
I want to get coached for some hours cause i want to compete in this game, maybe in some local tournaments etc. It is not to be ultra-successfull, but to make the experience. Others may just want to get better, because they like to get things to the next level. People who will pay for coaching, WANT it, and any reason should be good enough for you as it is not your money. If you dont play this game the way "we" do, please dont criticize our decisions. I really dont get why you're so upset about this Wall of text ending here!
On April 17 2011 14:05 Mr Showtime wrote: Wow, Titan gives a great rate at $20/hr. IdrA charges $150/hr..... that's insanely high, but probably because he isn't a coach first
Idra charges that much because he gets quiet a few people and has a lot more accomplishments then titan . If I needed coaching and had to pick out of the 2 I would pick titan though due to being cheaper.
No offense, but I don't think 25 an hour is even close to worth it for players of this caliber . . . unless you're talking about like really low level players who don't understand the game at all.
[QUOTE]On April 17 2011 22:21 SonPeo wrote: [QUOTE]On April 17 2011 09:36 Lea wrote: [QUOTE]On April 16 2011 11:43 Talin wrote: [quote] without possibility to grow.[/quote]
And this is why you won't grow. If you've decided you won't grow you simply will not. Playing Starcraft is equally much of training the mind as it is practicing your finger dexterity. Obviously, if a child sits stubbornly on the floor and says "I don't want to!", nothing is going to happen. Having a personal coach can simplify your experience a lot. Just look at the Day9 stream when Day9 coaches djWheat and he basically improves drastically in the course of a couple of games, because Day9 forces Wheat outside his own comfort zone of play which can be very hard to break out of if you are not consciously trying to do that (and sometimes a lot of games simply just won't allow you to do it).
You are entitled your opinion, but your post reveals a lot why you are still in bronze and not in master league. [/QUOTE]
I decided to removed my answer because i was warmed about my initial post. This for me means that I'm not free to express my personal opinion because goes against someone or something. I think I was friendly, i didn't insulted no one, i did express only my opinion.
Perhaps my post help to push people to give a sense more deep to the life and put a balance between games and real life and this in a portal where the game became a business is not tolerated
So to collaborate to the admins, i decided to remove my answer .
Regards[/QUOTE] Sorry that happened to you. Don't know when TL became so fascist -_-.
I have been banned several times, not even warned, for simple offenses left and right. It's one of those things where you are not allowed to discuss your own opinion. Also, you are not allowed to discuss what you are or aren't allowed to discuss. It's pretty crazy around here. I wouldn't be suprised if I was warned or banned for this post.
Several times a day I laugh at users who are warned for something that is not even really considered an infraction. It's unfortunate that I don't know if it's an infraction or not, because they are not posted anywhere. The rules that are posted include : "We can do whatever we want." Rules like that, you might as well not even post.
These players are all amazing. Having Titan on vVv is an honor. Anyone is extremely lucky to be coached by him for his rate! Be sure to checkout his appearance on Mr.Bitters stream.
Kyhol and desRow are both great players as well. I am glad they collaborated on this sponsored thread (=
Hi, I'd just like to once again reinforce the idea that if you have $25 sitting around and you haven't given it to desRow for an hour of coaching yet, you're really missing out!
I actually took a shower after my lesson and much to my delight, my chest was mysteriously covered in hair! It's as if he made a man out of me! (I even tried to shave it off but it just grows back like Tim Allen when he becomes Santa). My voice has suddenly become deeper, too. Arguably the best $25 I've spent in a while.
On April 19 2011 02:11 Olsson wrote: Dude that wasn't neccesary...
20 Dollars an hour. Which means like 3 matches of coaching, isn't too much is it?
since ur from sweden 20 US dollars is like 14euro and it's not. Coaches will always go over to make sure they get their point across. In 1hour, you can cover 2match-up. In 2 hours you can cover 3 matchup with at least a game or 2 for each.
Just finished up a lesson with vVvTitan, and I will say he is a very good coach and will work on whatever matchup/struggles you are having. Has a very good understanding of the game and with zerg has a way to FORCE macro games in ZvZ which is a big +1. Good coach, good guy. Definitely recommended
On April 19 2011 02:11 Olsson wrote: Dude that wasn't neccesary...
20 Dollars an hour. Which means like 3 matches of coaching, isn't too much is it?
since ur from sweden 20 US dollars is like 14euro and it's not. Coaches will always go over to make sure they get their point across. In 1hour, you can cover 2match-up. In 2 hours you can cover 3 matchup with at least a game or 2 for each.
Actually sweden uses SEK but yeah, you definitely can get decent coaching in that time. Of course, you won't become a pro in just one session, but if you have the money for like 5 sessions, it's going to have a great effect.
Of course, I believe that a player can improve just as well if they just focus on it deligently, but having a coach makes the process easier and quicker, for a price.
I have listened to some of his coaching lessons , to see his method and such , I am sorry to say but in my eyes he is not worthy of spending money for coaching sessions ,the way he explains different aspects of the game is certainly doubtful at best , while half of what he says is wrong (such as make stalkers for his tanks)
Of course you don't have to believe me or anything like that I just thought I'd point that out before you purchase HIS services , I have no idea how the other 2 coaches do they're sessions so I cannot say anything about them.
I'm never going to understand ppl paying so much money for hour of coaching. U think it is really gonna be " zero to hero " after few hours ? Watch replays, tournaments and if u really wanna be good kill your eyes 8 hours a day playing sc. Main rule "practice, practice, practice,..." Be stubborn, bloodthirsty, and rape ladder and after such ammount of hours no one can be bad , if u still are quit cuz nothing is going to help . GL HF
Its not that much money, it's the equivelant of 2 pizzas And what u get is coaching from top players. I don't see anything wrong with that, you get guided in the right direction for those who need to be guided. I watch desrow's coaching and he is very good. Immediatly when he is training a student he sees theyre weakspots and points them out, and the student is always "oohhhh yeaaah".
So they needed to be guided in the right direction. Sure they could play 1000 games and evolve from that, but giving them that early push in the right direction will make them love the game more, and play more ladder cause of it.
On April 20 2011 14:22 bellykiller wrote: I'm never going to understand ppl paying so much money for hour of coaching. U think it is really gonna be " zero to hero " after few hours ? Watch replays, tournaments and if u really wanna be good kill your eyes 8 hours a day playing sc. Main rule "practice, practice, practice,..." Be stubborn, bloodthirsty, and rape ladder and after such ammount of hours no one can be bad , if u still are quit cuz nothing is going to help . GL HF
So in your opinion, any sort of tutoring is bad? I'd like to compare this to people paying tutors for lessons on school subjects, like math. Do you have a problem with that aswel?
If people are willing to put some cash in order to get a few pointers from someone who spends his entire day getting better at SC2 and doing all the things you mentioned, why shouldn't they? Most of the people getting coached just want to get a bit better and have an idea of what they can do to perform better. Watch replays/tournies all you want, but if you don't know what you do wrong, you will never improve.
On April 20 2011 14:22 bellykiller wrote: I'm never going to understand ppl paying so much money for hour of coaching. U think it is really gonna be " zero to hero " after few hours ? Watch replays, tournaments and if u really wanna be good kill your eyes 8 hours a day playing sc. Main rule "practice, practice, practice,..." Be stubborn, bloodthirsty, and rape ladder and after such ammount of hours no one can be bad , if u still are quit cuz nothing is going to help . GL HF
So in your opinion, any sort of tutoring is bad? I'd like to compare this to people paying tutors for lessons on school subjects, like math. Do you have a problem with that aswel?
If people are willing to put some cash in order to get a few pointers from someone who spends his entire day getting better at SC2 and doing all the things you mentioned, why shouldn't they? Most of the people getting coached just want to get a bit better and have an idea of what they can do to perform better. Watch replays/tournies all you want, but if you don't know what you do wrong, you will never improve.
What Doji said.
Did you know that professional golfers still take lessons even when they are already that good? It can only help to get lessons from the pros. You will learn stuff and improve your game.
Anybody with a negative opinion on coaching in general is ignorant. Anybody with a negative opinion on these players and there rates being too expensive are simply haters. All 3 of these players are skilled and some what accomplished and know quite a bit about there respective races. If you have a personal vendetta against a player you shouldn't hold that against them when considering whether or not they are a good coach.
!support desRow's coaching, he's a great person/friend/coach.
On April 22 2011 07:07 Mikey wrote: Anybody with a negative opinion on coaching in general is ignorant. Anybody with a negative opinion on these players and there rates being too expensive are simply haters. All 3 of these players are skilled and some what accomplished and know quite a bit about there respective races. If you have a personal vendetta against a player you shouldn't hold that against them when considering whether or not they are a good coach.
!support desRow's coaching, he's a great person/friend/coach.
Way to label everyone with a different opinion a certain way, that really just suggests your own ignorance...
That said, most of these players have the experience to be decent coaches and are offering solid rates. None of them are super well known or have strong high level results but for a majority of people seeking coaching, that won't make a difference in terms of what they learn. Sure, you don't get to hang out with a huge Starcraft celebrity, but you still get the same level of coaching as you would from a top player.
Im a high level masters, but i can't seem to break the barrier between high masters, and pro. I watch plenty of replays and streams but i still can't seem to be able to make it to the highest level of play. Do u as a coach personally feel that it is worth me getting coaching to make it to that next level or making it to the highest level something i can only make on my own and can't be taught?
On April 23 2011 03:42 copacetic wrote: #1 desrow plays protoss and barely wins more than 50% (pathetic) and #2 hes fat so i wouldnt suggest him at all.
titan is only player with some understanding of the game out of these 3.
On April 23 2011 03:42 copacetic wrote: #1 desrow plays protoss and barely wins more than 50% (pathetic) and #2 hes fat so i wouldnt suggest him at all.
titan is only player with some understanding of the game out of these 3.
boy it's posts like this that really make me feel special about being a part of this warm and loving sc2 community!
DJazzVI : we zotac gogo? Vous : ye DJazzVI : what map? Vous : faut voter DJazzVI : crevasse goigogogo ―――――――――――――――― Vous : typohn DJazzVI : TESTBUG Vous : shakuras DJazzVI : shattered Vous : xel naga DJazzVI : CRAP STATION Vous : why u had to be that obnoxious DJazzVI : dood Vous : its easy to act like the cool guy on TL and be a complete fag with ppl lol DJazzVI : if i say its me how do i know u dont go and open stream Vous : then dont stream im not even protoss idc DJazzVI : hey why dont u suck a big fat black one? Vous : lol
djazzVI , desrow. yeah its easy to buy threads on TL, act like your a cool guy and be obnoxious to people because you're a "progamer", at least im not an hypocrit and a lier, keep on acting bro, you're not nice.
Ehm you know there was like 300 viewers and your fight was streamed LIVE right ? This chat log aint accurate. You were the one who was obnoxious towards Desrow.
You were asking if he was Des and he only said "GLHF!". And you suddenly called him obnoxious. Then you raged when he beat you in 6 minutes.
the chatlog is copy pasted, if you want i can still make a screenshot, i asked him if it was him, he didnt even answer, i talked french coz i know he speaks french he didnt talk french, generally he acted like a faggot, and he proceeded to insult me. thats called being a fag. i didnt rage, im not even protoss i forgot to switch race, but the guy uses a diamond account and doesnt tell who he is, what did i care anyway.
On April 24 2011 21:34 Toxi78 wrote: the chatlog is copy pasted, if you want i can still make a screenshot, i asked him if it was him, he didnt even answer, i talked french coz i know he speaks french he didnt talk french, generally he acted like a faggot, and he proceeded to insult me. thats called being a fag. i didnt rage, im not even protoss i forgot to switch race, but the guy uses a diamond account and doesnt tell who he is, what did i care anyway.
That's his EU account that he uses for teaching, he couldn't have used his desrow account because it's NA. You're not Protoss and you forgot to switch race? Then you're an idiot. Good job. And you did rage, there were 300 people watching you rage.
Finally, he didn't respond to you because if he had, you'd have watched the stream while you played... which YOU DID, and desrow then banned you from the stream.