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Sup guys
This is Marc-Olivier "desRow" Proulx from VTGaming.net. I've been coaching for a while and I thought buying a Sponsored Thread would be a good way for me to give back to TL as well as advertise my services.
About me:
I've been playing RTS on and off for about 8 years now. I played Brood War but Since I was very young back then, I was doing BGH's more than anything. After that I played Warcraft 3 and got myself to a pretty decent level and even qualified for the WCG national finals for Canada with a undefeated record. I got tired of Warcraft 3 due to the luck factor and the slow pace of the game. As for Starcraft 2, I started playing 1 month after release and I've been doing pretty well for myself ever since qualifying for the EG MSI master cup series in December even tho I was a very cheesy player back then. I've been playing more solid and standard as of late.
The main race I coach is Protoss but I'm also comfortable coaching Terran and Zerg. Any skill level is welcome as my knowledge of the other match ups are advanced. My first sessions with new students are often similar. I ask you to send me a replay or two so I can patch the holes in your game play. After that, we'll go to live coaching unless you have requests and want to study many build orders and/or micro/macro situations. I've had over 80 hours of experience so far and all my customers/student were satisfied.
Accomplishments:
- 1st place GO4SC2 #21 – 50$
- 1st place Clan infinity 1v1 tournament #2 – $50
- 3rd SCReddit Open XXIII – 50$
- 2nd in Map of the month tournament #1 – 15$
- EG MSI Top16
- 2nd in GO4SC2 #28
- 2nd in GO4SC2 #29
- 3rd in GO4SC2 US #9
- 3rd/4th Craftcup #17
- 3rd/4th craftcup in craftcup #20
- 4th SCReddit Open XX
Reviews
Here are some reviews from my students:
+ Show Spoiler [Review] +When looking for a coach I took into consideration a lot of factors. There are a lot of Starcraft2 players who offer coaching. Like a few selected professionals, desRow has a high aptitude and understanding of the play mechanics of Starcraft 2 but, desRow also has something more. He brings his wonderful playful attitude and his strong drive to improve to every lesson. desRow’s swagger is infectious. When you take lessons from him, like I and others have, you will understand that desRow truly cares about his students and, He is rooting for everyone of them to improve.
desRow’s combination of vocal instructions with his watchful eyes notices my flaws and allows me to maximize my practice sessions.This leads to accelerated performance and faster progress. Every session with desRow has been exciting as well as informative leaving me with new tips and skills to practice. I believe anyone who is looking to seriously improve their Starcraft 2 gameplay should get a coach. Learning at the hands of a master like desRow gives you the unique opportunity to absorb the tiny details.The details that are learned and battle tested through countless hours of gameplay and tournament experience. desRow’s perfect package of knowledge and personality is the reason I chose him and, the reason I continue to learn from him.
DesRow or be Destroyed
Here's one from one of my Zerg students:
+ Show Spoiler [Review] +I was amazed by how much I got out of my first session with Desrow. We went over a couple of replays and even did a live coaching session. The knowledge and professionalism Desrow has is reason enough to continue being coached by him.
In one hour I learned tips and tricks I had never heard of or read on the forums before. If I sound like a fan boy, it’s because I just became one. Seriously, I was blown away by how much I learned in one hour.
It was worth every penny. This guy is an amazing player and a great person. I immediately scheduled a two hour session and will continue to do so on a weekly basis. It helped SO MUCH! :D
And last but not least here's a French review for you French TLers out there:
+ Show Spoiler [Review] +Salut! j’avais déjà pris des sessions de coaching avec d’autre top joueur et je peux vous dire…ce n’est rien à comparer de tout ce qu’il peut nous apprendre,nous aider à performer et qui sait,peut être je deviendrai master à cause de lui! Bref,c’est vraiment un bon prof,je vous le conseil fortement!
Rates and Special Deals
My coaching rate is $25 per hour.
You can see my lessons page here http://desrow.tumblr.com/coaching
I also do group sessions for a minimum of 2 people and the rate is 10$CAD per person. The best way to reach me is via Skype vrg.ss.desrow or email desrow at vtgaming dot net. You can also contact me in game VTdesRow.745 on North American server.
I also do a monthly raffle for one hour of free coaching on my Twitter. All you have to do for this month is follow me and tweet the following "@desRowCA I love Future and Grant". My Twitter is http://www.twitter.com/desrowca. I also post tournament updates, clanwar stuff and whenever I stream on my twitter.
Lastly, I have a suave french accent and it will be music to your ears :D. I want to thank you guys for reading this thread and I hope to hear more from you guys or at least see you guys on my stream either at www.justin.tv/vtgaming or www.justin.tv/vtdesrow.
Edit: I am now on z33k. http://www.z33k.com/starcraft2/coach/desRow. They have a amazing site, check them out.
Here's my replay pack: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=198522
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Fantastic! Your video is pretty professional lol, sounds like a commercial 
Question, where are you from? I hear an accent..
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On March 18 2011 23:32 Almin wrote:Fantastic! Your video is pretty professional lol, sounds like a commercial Question, where are you from? I hear an accent..
Thanks. I'm unfortunately french canadian. I say unfortunately because our accent is hard to get rid of
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I remember you talking about this yesterday on your stream!
I will definatly participate in the raffle! I am still considering buying the hour =)
You are amazing mate!
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GL with your coaching. Sounds pretty good!
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GOGO DESROW!!
This guy is awesome! ;D!
<3<3<3
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Great job bud =)
This guy does know his stuff :D
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woooo I'm not banned anymore!
good luck desRow! I recommend desRow to anybody seeking guidance, just because I've known desRow for a long time and he's naturally a good person willing to help as much as he can.
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Might be interesting to know what servers your coaching is available on, NA and EU or NA only?
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On March 19 2011 00:13 FliedLice wrote:
Might be interesting to know what servers your coaching is available on, NA and EU or NA only?
I coach NA and EU as I own an account on both servers.
If some of you folks are on the Asia server and don't have a spare Asian account for me to reach you, I have an extra NA account that you can use for the sessions.
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Great work desrow! Good luck, you have done a great job with your students so far amd I have no doubt your future students will be very pleased.
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20$ per hour is a great deal considering the rates other coaches ask for and desrows experience. Good luck with this, nice ad :D
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On March 18 2011 23:28 desrow wrote:And last but not least here's a French review for you French TLers out there: + Show Spoiler [Review] +Salut! j’avais déjà pris des sessions de coaching avec d’autre top joueur et je peux vous dire…ce n’est rien à comparer de tout ce qu’il peut nous apprendre,nous aider à performer et qui sait,peut être je deviendrai master à cause de lui! Bref,c’est vraiment un bon prof,je vous le conseil fortement!
It is soooo strangely formulated!... was it a french canadian too ? I know there are some differences but still it goes beyond what I could imagine... :p
I might be interested, I've felt kind of blocked lately in my play... Well, tough week to come so I won't decide any time very soon, GL with your coaching nonetheless 
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very professional liked the vid would be interested in it but $ is really tight now ^_^
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I will for sure consider this for when i get some cash inflow.
Btw, idk why, but I have you already added on my friends list.
Edit: Wow, I actually understood most of the french review. I guess thats what I get for being in extended french classes.
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very good video and thread
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On March 19 2011 01:36 Isken wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 23:28 desrow wrote:And last but not least here's a French review for you French TLers out there: + Show Spoiler [Review] +Salut! j’avais déjà pris des sessions de coaching avec d’autre top joueur et je peux vous dire…ce n’est rien à comparer de tout ce qu’il peut nous apprendre,nous aider à performer et qui sait,peut être je deviendrai master à cause de lui! Bref,c’est vraiment un bon prof,je vous le conseil fortement! It is soooo strangely formulated!... was it a french canadian too ? I know there are some differences but still it goes beyond what I could imagine... :p I might be interested, I've felt kind of blocked lately in my play... Well, tough week to come so I won't decide any time very soon, GL with your coaching nonetheless
Yes it was haha. French canadian is slang compared to real french .
I have over 10 reviews http://vtgaming.net/lessons/desrow-protoss-2/ but only 1 in french.
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I JUST might take you up on this offer at the end of the month. Thanks for the post and good looking out.
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Hello Desrow
Since when did you become so good in games :D <3
OT: indeed a great guy! go get some coaching!
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Really great guy!
Try it out, i would but i'm terran :D
<3
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thats what im talking about! good stuff des
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Desrow is a nice person! :D
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desRow is a great guy and his stream has a lot of good stuff on it. I can definitely support this (and considering it.)
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That group coaching session for 10 dollars a person sounds very appealing. I'm pretty sure you'll get a lot of buyers on that one. Good luck man.
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Glad to see others in the community are stepping up for coaching
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Buying a sponsored thread for coaching.. not a bad idea at all.
Cant speak on the coaching ive never got a lesson. But he's a decent protoss 
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desrows an awesome player
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You can buy a thread in the sponsored section? That's news to me.
Anyways pretty good presentation.
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desRow is awesome! He is a great player and coach guys. Enjoy!
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i gotta say desrow i think this sponsored thread might have been a damn good idea
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Great coach awesome protosss ! keep it up !
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you have very conservative rates, that's awesome.. thanks for giving back! we will probably meet in a session  my pvz is awful.
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On March 19 2011 07:15 Ack1027 wrote:
You can buy a thread in the sponsored section? That's news to me.
hahahaha duuuudeee.. "sponsored"
On topic, I like the subtle 1up on incontrol by ending the video with "EGincontrol has left the game".
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Fucking love desrow, If i could afford coaching on a student salary i would totally get some.!
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Pretty sure desRow roflstomped me the other day. If it was indeed him, then I vouch for his game knowledge. I was manhandled.
Great idea with the thread, hope it turns out great for you!
Edit: Yea it was him, finally found the replay, much older then I thought. Bad memories =d
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desRow is an amazing person, keep the good work.
Btw, your stream is awsome!
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On March 19 2011 09:40 GenocideRun wrote:
Fucking love desrow, If i could afford coaching on a student salary i would totally get some.!
Same!
Maybe I can find someone for a dual session or win the raffle!
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On March 19 2011 09:21 niteReloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 07:15 Ack1027 wrote:
You can buy a thread in the sponsored section? That's news to me.
hahahaha duuuudeee.. "sponsored" On topic, I like the subtle 1up on incontrol by ending the video with "EGincontrol has left the game".
wow lol
Didn't bother to watch the video... glad I didn't.
He 4 gated me on the ladder and won in 9 minutes (standard) wtf?
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On March 19 2011 10:17 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 09:21 niteReloaded wrote:On March 19 2011 07:15 Ack1027 wrote:
You can buy a thread in the sponsored section? That's news to me.
hahahaha duuuudeee.. "sponsored" On topic, I like the subtle 1up on incontrol by ending the video with "EGincontrol has left the game". wow lol Didn't bother to watch the video... glad I didn't. He 4 gated me on the ladder and won in 9 minutes (standard) wtf?
The video was mostly just a humorous way of showing that I can compete with top players and other coaches. Incontrol seemed like a fitting way to advertise a coaching lesson, I don't mean to claim that I am a superior coach or player - merely that I can provide a comparable service at an affordable price.
I apologize if it offended you, it was a light-hearted joke used to advertise my product.
Just think of it is as me being an upcoming NBA player and I just beat Michael Jordan in a 1v1 on the court. At the end of the day, I have to sell my shoes.
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At the end of the day you are the kind of guy who wins a ladder game and makes a video with that as the crowning achievement. If that is the case no amount of explaining "why" or w/e will change anything... it's perfectly fine dude. If you need to 4 gate me and make a video to prove you can "compete" with top level players to get coaching... all the power to you dude.
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On March 19 2011 09:21 niteReloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 07:15 Ack1027 wrote:
You can buy a thread in the sponsored section? That's news to me.
hahahaha duuuudeee.. "sponsored" On topic, I like the subtle 1up on incontrol by ending the video with "EGincontrol has left the game".
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and I thought buying a Sponsored Thread would be a good way for me to give back to TL
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On March 19 2011 11:07 Ack1027 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 09:21 niteReloaded wrote:On March 19 2011 07:15 Ack1027 wrote:
You can buy a thread in the sponsored section? That's news to me.
hahahaha duuuudeee.. "sponsored" On topic, I like the subtle 1up on incontrol by ending the video with "EGincontrol has left the game". ? and I thought buying a Sponsored Thread would be a good way for me to give back to TL
Obviously... ? :x
What else do you think they were sponsored for?
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On March 19 2011 10:53 iNcontroL wrote:
At the end of the day you are the kind of guy who wins a ladder game and makes a video with that as the crowning achievement. If that is the case no amount of explaining "why" or w/e will change anything... it's perfectly fine dude. If you need to 4 gate me and make a video to prove you can "compete" with top level players to get coaching... all the power to you dude.
As someone who is a moderator I really don't think your tone post and attacking this guy who is just trying to make a bit of cash is really mature at all. He in no way attacked you or insulted you, yet you made sure to do so to him because he had you in a video?
I also don't think you're in any position to insult someone else on what is "top level play" after some of the performances or lack-thereof you gave in tournaments focusing down key buildings like an assimilator.
Why would you even make a post like that? It just makes you look bad, in the end I think this guy seems like a genuinely nice guy trying to make some money and he's even supporting the TL community buy paying for a sponsored thread.
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On March 19 2011 10:53 iNcontroL wrote:
At the end of the day you are the kind of guy who wins a ladder game and makes a video with that as the crowning achievement. If that is the case no amount of explaining "why" or w/e will change anything... it's perfectly fine dude. If you need to 4 gate me and make a video to prove you can "compete" with top level players to get coaching... all the power to you dude.
you're one to talk incontrol. you cannon rushed me in eg masters 2, so i wouldn't speak if i were you. also you charge way to much for a player who hasn't really accomplished much in sc1 or sc2. so don't come to a persons thread and try and insult them. its not proper nor does it paint you in a good light.
anyways back on topic. desRow fails to metion a lot of his history in the esports world. He was a well known and respected DOTA player, and one that managed a lot of different and sucessful teams. just google desrow and look for yourself.
desRow is an awesome player with a passion for helping people. i've had a lto of contact with him through his stream and through my coach being a teammate of his (my coach is Future). desRow is one of those players that come along and are really solid. he does not rely on cheeses to win games and he can play just as well as the top players and even better sometimes.
i would have to say for anyone intrested in coaching. desRow would be a great coach.
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On March 19 2011 10:53 iNcontroL wrote:
At the end of the day you are the kind of guy who wins a ladder game and makes a video with that as the crowning achievement. If that is the case no amount of explaining "why" or w/e will change anything... it's perfectly fine dude. If you need to 4 gate me and make a video to prove you can "compete" with top level players to get coaching... all the power to you dude.
YOU MAD BRO ???? .....i was watching his stream when this game occured ...and umm....guess what YOU 4 GATED TOOO !!!
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I'd say desrow is more proud of his tournament wins then beating you, but thats just my opinion.
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desRow big cutie <3, better than kiwi :D
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Incontrol has 0 credibility to me after such stunt.... talk about lame...
Anyway on topic:GL with ur coaching desrow, I'm wondering, do you have the ability coach on EU? (Timezone/Account)...
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On March 19 2011 11:32 WindOw wrote:
Incontrol has 0 credibility to me after such stunt.... talk about lame...
Anyway on topic:GL with ur coaching desrow, I'm wondering, do you have the ability coach on EU?
Yes, he does.
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On March 19 2011 11:32 WindOw wrote:
Incontrol has 0 credibility to me after such stunt.... talk about lame...
Anyway on topic:GL with ur coaching desrow, I'm wondering, do you have the ability coach on EU? (Timezone/Account)...
I do. :D I have a eu account and I use google calendar and it actually translate all my schedule in your timezone so you can pick whatever time suits you.
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On March 19 2011 10:53 iNcontroL wrote:
At the end of the day you are the kind of guy who wins a ladder game and makes a video with that as the crowning achievement. If that is the case no amount of explaining "why" or w/e will change anything... it's perfectly fine dude. If you need to 4 gate me and make a video to prove you can "compete" with top level players to get coaching... all the power to you dude.
How are you going to talk to desrow like that??? charging x4 desrow his rates?
( Dignitas vs EG )
Desrow is a good coach and if your are looking to get better he is one of the best ways to start with protoss.
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On March 19 2011 11:21 masterbreti wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 10:53 iNcontroL wrote:
At the end of the day you are the kind of guy who wins a ladder game and makes a video with that as the crowning achievement. If that is the case no amount of explaining "why" or w/e will change anything... it's perfectly fine dude. If you need to 4 gate me and make a video to prove you can "compete" with top level players to get coaching... all the power to you dude. you're one to talk incontrol. you cannon rushed me in eg masters 2, so i wouldn't speak if i were you. also you charge way to much for a player who hasn't really accomplished much in sc1 or sc2. so don't come to a persons thread and try and insult them. its not proper nor does it paint you in a good light. anyways back on topic. desRow fails to metion a lot of his history in the esports world. He was a well known and respected DOTA player, and one that managed a lot of different and sucessful teams. just google desrow and look for yourself. desRow is an awesome player with a passion for helping people. i've had a lto of contact with him through his stream and through my coach being a teammate of his (my coach is Future). desRow is one of those players that come along and are really solid. he does not rely on cheeses to win games and he can play just as well as the top players and even better sometimes. i would have to say for anyone intrested in coaching. desRow would be a great coach.
Did I make a video of me celebrating the cannon rush? No? Then what are we talking about? Cause I had 0 problem with him 4 gating.. the problem was with him rubbing it in lol
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On March 19 2011 11:44 grats wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 10:53 iNcontroL wrote:
At the end of the day you are the kind of guy who wins a ladder game and makes a video with that as the crowning achievement. If that is the case no amount of explaining "why" or w/e will change anything... it's perfectly fine dude. If you need to 4 gate me and make a video to prove you can "compete" with top level players to get coaching... all the power to you dude. How are you going to talk to desrow like that??? charging x4 desrow his rates? ( Dignitas vs EG ) Desrow is a good coach and if your are looking to get better he is one of the best ways to start with protoss.
I'm sorry.. how did this become "inc is supposed to never lose before he can criticize someone else for making a video about him losing to a 4gate"
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I have ZERO problems with his coaching
I have ZERO problems with 4 gates
I had a problem with him capping his video with me losing to prove he can "compete" with top gamers... how the fuck are you guys getting so defensive about my rates, losing to naniwa (as if that is a bad thing?) and me saying anything about his coaching? Do you guys even read?
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On March 19 2011 11:53 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 11:44 grats wrote:On March 19 2011 10:53 iNcontroL wrote:
At the end of the day you are the kind of guy who wins a ladder game and makes a video with that as the crowning achievement. If that is the case no amount of explaining "why" or w/e will change anything... it's perfectly fine dude. If you need to 4 gate me and make a video to prove you can "compete" with top level players to get coaching... all the power to you dude. How are you going to talk to desrow like that??? charging x4 desrow his rates? ( Dignitas vs EG ) Desrow is a good coach and if your are looking to get better he is one of the best ways to start with protoss. I'm sorry.. how did this become "inc is supposed to never lose before he can criticize someone else for making a video about him losing to a 4gate" ??? I have ZERO problems with his coaching I have ZERO problems with 4 gates I had a problem with him capping his video with me losing to prove he can "compete" with top gamers... how the fuck are you guys getting so defensive about my rates, losing to naniwa (as if that is a bad thing?) and me saying anything about his coaching? Do you guys even read?
JK MISS READ.
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On March 19 2011 10:53 iNcontroL wrote:
At the end of the day you are the kind of guy who wins a ladder game and makes a video with that as the crowning achievement. If that is the case no amount of explaining "why" or w/e will change anything... it's perfectly fine dude. If you need to 4 gate me and make a video to prove you can "compete" with top level players to get coaching... all the power to you dude.
It seems more of an attack on him. He is showing that he does compete vs top competition and he can win. I see your point though "hey I don't see it as manner to post a video of you 4 gating me" but it sounds more like a low blow to desrow with what you wrote.
Just my opinion not trying to start any E-drama.
(I am ending it at this also GO DESROW :D!!!)
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On March 19 2011 11:53 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 11:44 grats wrote:On March 19 2011 10:53 iNcontroL wrote:
At the end of the day you are the kind of guy who wins a ladder game and makes a video with that as the crowning achievement. If that is the case no amount of explaining "why" or w/e will change anything... it's perfectly fine dude. If you need to 4 gate me and make a video to prove you can "compete" with top level players to get coaching... all the power to you dude. How are you going to talk to desrow like that??? charging x4 desrow his rates? ( Dignitas vs EG ) Desrow is a good coach and if your are looking to get better he is one of the best ways to start with protoss. I'm sorry.. how did this become "inc is supposed to never lose before he can criticize someone else for making a video about him losing to a 4gate" ??? I have ZERO problems with his coaching I have ZERO problems with 4 gates I had a problem with him capping his video with me losing to prove he can "compete" with top gamers... how the fuck are you guys getting so defensive about my rates, losing to naniwa (as if that is a bad thing?) and me saying anything about his coaching? Do you guys even read?
maybe it is somewhat of a complement to you incontrol....i think that desrow is saying that he is one of the top players in sc and so are you
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On March 19 2011 12:00 grats wrote:After reading... Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 10:53 iNcontroL wrote:
At the end of the day you are the kind of guy who wins a ladder game and makes a video with that as the crowning achievement. If that is the case no amount of explaining "why" or w/e will change anything... it's perfectly fine dude. If you need to 4 gate me and make a video to prove you can "compete" with top level players to get coaching... all the power to you dude. It seems more of an attack on him. He is showing that he does compete vs top competition and he can win. I see your point though "hey I don't see it as manner to post a video of you 4 gating me" but it sounds more like a low blow to desrow with what you wrote. Just my opinion not trying to start any E-drama. (I am ending it at this also GO DESROW :D!!!)
It wasn't an attack at all. It was me simply stating that making a video specifically name dropping me losing is really really lame.. and he did it to "prove he is a top player" and "get coaching" which SHOULD rub others the wrong way but apparently the more disturbing thing to you guys is me being upset about it (lol).
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On March 19 2011 12:08 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 12:00 grats wrote:After reading... On March 19 2011 10:53 iNcontroL wrote:
At the end of the day you are the kind of guy who wins a ladder game and makes a video with that as the crowning achievement. If that is the case no amount of explaining "why" or w/e will change anything... it's perfectly fine dude. If you need to 4 gate me and make a video to prove you can "compete" with top level players to get coaching... all the power to you dude. It seems more of an attack on him. He is showing that he does compete vs top competition and he can win. I see your point though "hey I don't see it as manner to post a video of you 4 gating me" but it sounds more like a low blow to desrow with what you wrote. Just my opinion not trying to start any E-drama. (I am ending it at this also GO DESROW :D!!!) It wasn't an attack at all. It was me simply stating that making a video specifically name dropping me losing is really really lame.. and he did it to "prove he is a top player" and "get coaching" which SHOULD rub others the wrong way but apparently the more disturbing thing to you guys is me being upset about it (lol).
Man, I didn't mention you once in my youtube clip or in my OP. I'm sorry for the turn of events. Looking forward to meeting you in a tournament.
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Desrow is a good guy and i think he would make a great coach to any player out there he goes out of his way to teach you and make sure you learn whats going on in game. And after he will always check up with his players and make sure there doing good. So more props to Desrow for coming up with this and if people are getting Butt Hurt then let them
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Did like anyone at all actually notice that he was playing against incontrol? I just thought it was a random game against a random. :O
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On March 19 2011 11:48 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 11:21 masterbreti wrote:On March 19 2011 10:53 iNcontroL wrote:
At the end of the day you are the kind of guy who wins a ladder game and makes a video with that as the crowning achievement. If that is the case no amount of explaining "why" or w/e will change anything... it's perfectly fine dude. If you need to 4 gate me and make a video to prove you can "compete" with top level players to get coaching... all the power to you dude. you're one to talk incontrol. you cannon rushed me in eg masters 2, so i wouldn't speak if i were you. also you charge way to much for a player who hasn't really accomplished much in sc1 or sc2. so don't come to a persons thread and try and insult them. its not proper nor does it paint you in a good light. anyways back on topic. desRow fails to metion a lot of his history in the esports world. He was a well known and respected DOTA player, and one that managed a lot of different and sucessful teams. just google desrow and look for yourself. desRow is an awesome player with a passion for helping people. i've had a lto of contact with him through his stream and through my coach being a teammate of his (my coach is Future). desRow is one of those players that come along and are really solid. he does not rely on cheeses to win games and he can play just as well as the top players and even better sometimes. i would have to say for anyone intrested in coaching. desRow would be a great coach. Did I make a video of me celebrating the cannon rush? No? Then what are we talking about? Cause I had 0 problem with him 4 gating.. the problem was with him rubbing it in lol
he played standerd against you and you lost. it wasn't the fact that he was rubbing it in. you should feel honored to be in a desrow video tbh, cause he is a much better player than you, he has had better tournament results and better overall style of play and length of his esports career than you. so i think its more jealousy than anything on your part.
desRow is providing a good service for tl members and sc2 payers in general, much better than yourself who charges over double than he does and he has more sucess than you in sc2. i find that your lack of auctual skill in sc2 (and sc1 for that matter) and you're charging over double than someone who is a better player and a better coach. and you come on here and insult him and rage on him like your some god. well your not. sorry to break it to you. but you're not "fucking incontrol" you're just some random protoss that overprices for lessons not worth a tenth of that.
here is my suggestion to you incontrol. don't rag on a top protoss player, cause he beat you. he is better then you and he is smarter than you. to top it all off. he is a nice person who hasn't done anythign dumb or stupid (unlike yourself).
he's fucking desRow! give the man some respect. desRow is an amazing guy who has a lot to give to people. if i didn't already have an amazing coach who i both admire and respect. i would for sure look at desRow for my coaching needs.
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(I'm curious, if this thread turns to shit can a sponsored threads get closed O_o?)
I've known desrow for a little bit and I know he can come off as an ass or bm at times, I don't know if it's a language barrier or something but he does mean well and doesn't mean to bm
GL desrow
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Guys, him winning once doesn't make him better. It's one game on the ladder. It doesn't mean anything.
The reason desrow did this is that he's trying to advertise his coaching, and trying to say that he's a good player. He doesn't have many tournament winnings, and isn't entirely well known, so he needed to give us something to show that he's good. Beating Incontrol, a well-known and respected player, is somewhat of an accomplishment for him. Showing the victory makes people think more of him.
Of course, I'm not trying to say that what desrow did is a good thing.
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Someone's overreacting as usual. Take a chill pill Geoff
It could have been anyone in the video but it happened to be you. No big deal.
I think using you to promote his coaching is smart since you're a popular dude. I would take it as a compliment if i were you but whatever.
On topic, Desrow sick coach and cheap
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On March 19 2011 12:16 masterbreti wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 11:48 iNcontroL wrote:On March 19 2011 11:21 masterbreti wrote:On March 19 2011 10:53 iNcontroL wrote:
At the end of the day you are the kind of guy who wins a ladder game and makes a video with that as the crowning achievement. If that is the case no amount of explaining "why" or w/e will change anything... it's perfectly fine dude. If you need to 4 gate me and make a video to prove you can "compete" with top level players to get coaching... all the power to you dude. you're one to talk incontrol. you cannon rushed me in eg masters 2, so i wouldn't speak if i were you. also you charge way to much for a player who hasn't really accomplished much in sc1 or sc2. so don't come to a persons thread and try and insult them. its not proper nor does it paint you in a good light. anyways back on topic. desRow fails to metion a lot of his history in the esports world. He was a well known and respected DOTA player, and one that managed a lot of different and sucessful teams. just google desrow and look for yourself. desRow is an awesome player with a passion for helping people. i've had a lto of contact with him through his stream and through my coach being a teammate of his (my coach is Future). desRow is one of those players that come along and are really solid. he does not rely on cheeses to win games and he can play just as well as the top players and even better sometimes. i would have to say for anyone intrested in coaching. desRow would be a great coach. Did I make a video of me celebrating the cannon rush? No? Then what are we talking about? Cause I had 0 problem with him 4 gating.. the problem was with him rubbing it in lol he played standerd against you and you lost. it wasn't the fact that he was rubbing it in. you should feel honored to be in a desrow video tbh, cause he is a much better player than you, he has had better tournament results and better overall style of play and length of his esports career than you. so i think its more jealousy than anything on your part. desRow is providing a good service for tl members and sc2 payers in general, much better than yourself who charges over double than he does and he has more sucess than you in sc2. i find that your lack of auctual skill in sc2 (and sc1 for that matter) and you're charging over double than someone who is a better player and a better coach. and you come on here and insult him and rage on him like your some god. well your not. sorry to break it to you. but you're not "fucking incontrol" you're just some random protoss that overprices for lessons not worth a tenth of that. here is my suggestion to you incontrol. don't rag on a top protoss player, cause he beat you. he is better then you and he is smarter than you. to top it all off. he is a nice person who hasn't done anythign dumb or stupid (unlike yourself). he's fucking desRow! give the man some respect. desRow is an amazing guy who has a lot to give to people. if i didn't already have an amazing coach who i both admire and respect. i would for sure look at desRow for my coaching needs.
desRow is a good guy. inControl is a good guy. I feel like people have a lot to learn from both of them, and although I don't know all of inControl's tournament results, I think they would compare to desRows. Pretty sure your flaming though, so I don't even know why I'm responding.
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Almost every single person in this thread is overreacting. We're talking about desRow's offer of coaching, not the relative abilities of seemingly half the players who've ever played in a SC2 tournament. Tons of people coach nowadays, so there is no reason to debate prices or skill levels in connection with it. I know it will cause an mini-uproar when I say this, but iNcontroL is right when he says that the market really determines the price. After all, a lot of people buy coaching partly because of how much they love a certain player.
I applaud desRow on his use of a sponsored thread; I honestly can't believe I haven't seen more people using them. Thank you for helping to support the site that we all love! I wish you luck in your coaching endeavors; you seem like a pretty good guy. ^_^
masterbreti, it doesn't matter what you say: iNcontroL is a great player, too. You're needlessly bm'ing just as much as you are accusing him of. Cut it out. You're only causing this thread to further degenerate into something it shouldn't and, in the process, you're disrespecting desRow, too. Let this thread stay on topic, please.
In closing: why cant' weeeeee be friends, why can't weeeeee be friends?
Edit: Newguy basically beat me to it with what I wanted to say. Well said, my friend.
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I hope your not as annoying as you we're in DotA, probably why you didn't include any information about your "amazing" dota career because most of it was you lieing and sucking up to pro players.
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Hey desRow.
Great video man. If I were to ever buy some coaching I'm pretty sure I would hit you up first(and not just b/c you're a fellow canuck). Great rates too!
ps. awfully poor taste of incontrol to come in here like he did but you handled it with class, wtg man!
cant even believe the nasl wants that guy as their frontman....so fucked up.
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On March 19 2011 16:17 YellowZerg wrote:
I hope your not as annoying as you we're in DotA, probably why you didn't include any information about your "amazing" dota career because most of it was you lieing and sucking up to pro players.
I wasn't going to spill the beans on his dota reputation but you did call this pretty evenly.
http://www.gosugamers.net/dota/replays.php?&p1=desrow&format=5on5
This is just one of many sites-He only uploaded games to gosugamers where his team won.ONLY wins. Didn't matter if it was a GG. He pretty much always plays STr-supports, the type of hero that can't be blamed for the loss yet can call out the supports and carries for failing, which was his Calling-card in dota.
As for the comments between incontrol and desrow.... thats no contest Incontrol understands the game way better and doesn't even seem to try half the time he ladders. Theres also a reason Incontrols rates are so good and his students love his lessons.
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On March 19 2011 17:25 FuSioN722 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 16:17 YellowZerg wrote:
I hope your not as annoying as you we're in DotA, probably why you didn't include any information about your "amazing" dota career because most of it was you lieing and sucking up to pro players. I wasn't going to spill the beans on his dota reputation but you did call this pretty evenly. http://www.gosugamers.net/dota/replays.php?&p1=desrow&format=5on5This is just one of many sites-He only uploaded games to gosugamers where his team won.ONLY wins. Didn't matter if it was a GG. He pretty much always plays STr-supports, the type of hero that can't be blamed for the loss yet can call out the supports and carries for failing, which was his Calling-card in dota. As for the comments between incontrol and desrow.... thats no contest Incontrol understands the game way better and doesn't even seem to try half the time he ladders. Theres also a reason Incontrols rates are so good and his students love his lessons.
Gosugamer asked me to submit replays. I was playing everyday in every in house league, why would I turn them down ? Never said I was a top player in DotA. I didn't mention my DotA background I never won any money for DotA so I never considered myself as a professional DotA player or as a top DotA player. But you and the guy above calling me out is understandable. The mentality of DotA fans is made this way.
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Hey Desrow, just wondering if you could tell us your ladder rating ?? this would help me decide if i want to get tutoring thanks!
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On March 19 2011 17:58 ARze wrote:
Hey Desrow, just wondering if you could tell us your ladder rating ?? this would help me decide if i want to get tutoring thanks!
I've been in the top200 many times. I've been able to compete with the big boys in tournaments. I've never been a ladder fan as I rather practice in custom games.
Here: http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/443514/VTdesRow
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is that the dota legend desrow?
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wow I've watched inc's stream many times and I was always under the impression he was a very nice guy(he always discourages bm in his stream) that was more of the mentality of advancing esports... kind of disappointed, but whatever... pretty rude to disrupt a SPONSORED thread like this... if kiwi says he's a good coach, I'm sure he is... kiwi > inc with no debate, lol...
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Hey Desrow good luck with your coaching, gonna try to tune in to your stream as i havent seen any of it befor. Got a good laugh from the video not sure if it actualy was a good or bad one for me, anyways hope this help you to get more attention and more students!
Hoppeh
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On March 19 2011 11:07 Ack1027 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 09:21 niteReloaded wrote:On March 19 2011 07:15 Ack1027 wrote:
You can buy a thread in the sponsored section? That's news to me.
hahahaha duuuudeee.. "sponsored" On topic, I like the subtle 1up on incontrol by ending the video with "EGincontrol has left the game". ? and I thought buying a Sponsored Thread would be a good way for me to give back to TL
ye I don't get your point?
Sponsored Thread means that you pay up to get your thread some attention.
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Calm down, Incontrol. Have a cookie or something.
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That is pretty silly. So desrow won a ladder game and incontrol is raging because he... doesn't want people to know he loses sometimes I guess? Good lord. The immaturity of it all.
Didn't you say during the NASL announcement you wanted to apologize for every stupid stunt you pulled so far and wanted to turn a new leaf? I believe you did. Now kindly man up and be an adult who can be trusted to revitalize eSports.
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By the way are you the same desrow who was the Kingsurf manager (if you are you'll know what I'm talking about)?
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oh my desrow, hello! haha
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On March 19 2011 23:24 Weasel- wrote:
By the way are you the same desrow who was the Kingsurf manager (if you are you'll know what I'm talking about)?
Yes But it was so long ago (3 years or so ? )
And Hi jaczie ^^
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Holy shit its like there's 10 rabid Incontrol haters lurking every topic at any moment. The second he posts something they spring into action, eager to strike up an argument about things totally unrelated to the problem at hand. Incontrol may have worded his disliking of the situation a little poorly, but you kids need to chill the hell out.
I've seen desrow stream a few times and hes definitely very solid. Good prices and a nice guy, GL building a student base desrow!
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On March 19 2011 17:25 FuSioN722 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 16:17 YellowZerg wrote:
I hope your not as annoying as you we're in DotA, probably why you didn't include any information about your "amazing" dota career because most of it was you lieing and sucking up to pro players. I wasn't going to spill the beans on his dota reputation but you did call this pretty evenly. http://www.gosugamers.net/dota/replays.php?&p1=desrow&format=5on5This is just one of many sites-He only uploaded games to gosugamers where his team won.ONLY wins. Didn't matter if it was a GG. He pretty much always plays STr-supports, the type of hero that can't be blamed for the loss yet can call out the supports and carries for failing, which was his Calling-card in dota. As for the comments between incontrol and desrow.... thats no contest Incontrol understands the game way better and doesn't even seem to try half the time he ladders. Theres also a reason Incontrols rates are so good and his students love his lessons.
this is so far from the truth it amazes me. I was going to flame you but I don't want to get banned again..
desRow was never a strength support player (there are those in dota?), he always played gimpy support heroes. and if you think those don't require skill or those can't be blamed for competitive losses you are a fool.
he may have not had a superb career playing dota but he helped a lot of players/teams get into tournaments, or get sponsors.
this thread has been so sidetracked from the original purpose it amazes me.
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Lol wtf incontrol? theres nothing wrong with his video its not like he called you out, said anything about the fact that "i beat incontrol!" he made a video talking about himself and put a game in the background so make it more interesting.
You've got some anger issues for flaming someone out of the blue and trolling a thread that he paid for to give back to tl, being a representative of our community you should know better by now.
That's coming from me and i dont even like desRow, any reasonable person can see that you're clearly in the wrong.
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On March 20 2011 05:33 bLuR wrote:
Lol wtf incontrol? theres nothing wrong with his video its not like he called you out, said anything about the fact that "i beat incontrol!" he made a video talking about himself and put a game in the background so make it more interesting.
You've got some anger issues for flaming someone out of the blue and trolling a thread that he paid for to give back to tl, being a representative of our community you should know better by now.
That's coming from me and i dont even like desRow, any reasonable person can see that you're clearly in the wrong.
I salute you Jordan!
*cheers* To the mutual domination of ONE and VT
/popcorn
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On March 20 2011 05:33 bLuR wrote:
Lol wtf incontrol? theres nothing wrong with his video its not like he called you out, said anything about the fact that "i beat incontrol!" he made a video talking about himself and put a game in the background so make it more interesting.
You've got some anger issues for flaming someone out of the blue and trolling a thread that he paid for to give back to tl, being a representative of our community you should know better by now.
That's coming from me and i dont even like desRow, any reasonable person can see that you're clearly in the wrong.
Let's not get too rediculous here. A coach buying a sponsored thread isn't a donation. It's mutually beneficial. I'm sure the extra hours he's obtained by buying the thread have already payed for the thread itself at this point.
Second, you need to look up the definition of "troll", because from your post it looks like you have no idea what it means.
Third, Inc has already said he has no problem with Desrow - his problem is with Desrow showing 30 seconds of a 4gate and implying that he's better than Incontrol. If he wasn't trying to sell extra hours by name-dropping Inc, he would have just shown a bunch of units dying, and left out the "Incontrol has left the game". Would he do that? No. Why? Because showing that he beat him will sell more training hours. Hell, if I was making a training video I'd certainly put my best win at the end. Only problem is, it's your profit at the expense of someone else.
Then you end the post with expressly saying that you don't like the person who sponsored the thread. Classy.
"Any reasonable person can see that you're clearly in the wrong"
That being said, gogo VT! I always know if I tune in to VTGaming there's going to be some kind of awesome high-level content . Keep up the kick ass work, love the new site XD
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On March 20 2011 01:54 RevRich wrote:
Holy shit its like there's 10 rabid Incontrol haters lurking every topic at any moment. The second he posts something they spring into action, eager to strike up an argument about things totally unrelated to the problem at hand. Incontrol may have worded his disliking of the situation a little poorly, but you kids need to chill the hell out.
I've seen desrow stream a few times and hes definitely very solid. Good prices and a nice guy, GL building a student base desrow!
iNcontroL has pissed off quite a number of people over the years.
Here iNcontroL is overreacting. By putting up a vid of Desrow beating iNc, he is acknowledging iNc as a better player than him. He would hardly put up a vid of him beating a player worse than himself. If it was a vid of anyone else that player wouldn't care.
OT: Looks like a reasonable rate, accent would put me off though, as it required concentration for me to understand.
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On March 20 2011 08:28 FaZe wrote:
Third, Inc has already said he has no problem with Desrow - his problem is with Desrow showing 30 seconds of a 4gate and implying that he's better than Incontrol.
Actually he's implying iNcontroL is better. As in
"look I beat this great player, see the measure of my skill?"
Not
"hahaha I'm better than iNc, wut a noobz0r"
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On March 19 2011 22:21 Jinsho wrote:
That is pretty silly. So desrow won a ladder game and incontrol is raging because he... doesn't want people to know he loses sometimes I guess? Good lord. The immaturity of it all.
Didn't you say during the NASL announcement you wanted to apologize for every stupid stunt you pulled so far and wanted to turn a new leaf? I believe you did. Now kindly man up and be an adult who can be trusted to revitalize eSports.
Why do you post without reading? Try to understand both sides and stop guessing what INc meant when he clearly explained what he meant in his post.
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On March 20 2011 08:28 FaZe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2011 05:33 bLuR wrote:
Lol wtf incontrol? theres nothing wrong with his video its not like he called you out, said anything about the fact that "i beat incontrol!" he made a video talking about himself and put a game in the background so make it more interesting.
You've got some anger issues for flaming someone out of the blue and trolling a thread that he paid for to give back to tl, being a representative of our community you should know better by now.
That's coming from me and i dont even like desRow, any reasonable person can see that you're clearly in the wrong. Let's not get too rediculous here. A coach buying a sponsored thread isn't a donation. It's mutually beneficial. I'm sure the extra hours he's obtained by buying the thread have already payed for the thread itself at this point. Second, you need to look up the definition of "troll", because from your post it looks like you have no idea what it means. Third, Inc has already said he has no problem with Desrow - his problem is with Desrow showing 30 seconds of a 4gate and implying that he's better than Incontrol. If he wasn't trying to sell extra hours by name-dropping Inc, he would have just shown a bunch of units dying, and left out the "Incontrol has left the game". Would he do that? No. Why? Because showing that he beat him will sell more training hours. Hell, if I was making a training video I'd certainly put my best win at the end. Only problem is, it's your profit at the expense of someone else. Then you end the post with expressly saying that you don't like the person who sponsored the thread. Classy. "Any reasonable person can see that you're clearly in the wrong" That being said, gogo VT! I always know if I tune in to VTGaming there's going to be some kind of awesome high-level content . Keep up the kick ass work, love the new site XD
how is he implying that he's better than incontrol? its a fucking ladder game, and he says nothing about the actual game thats playing on the video. incontrol is a big name, gets paid doing what he loves, and has a wonderful girlfriend who is in the miss usa pageant, (?) yet still thinks its appropriate to get angry and "call someone out" who acknowledges incontrol as a strong player for posting a ladder match where he loses? personally i dont understand
i also didnt say donation, im saying he is giving back to tl, by paying for a sponsored thread, same concept as TL's advertisements, how can you argue that?
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This looks really awesome SpazCraft is looking forward to seeing how VTdesRows sexy Canadian French voice works into coaching.
~Spazzer
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I can vouch for desRow's coaching. I've had a total of three hours of coaching with him.
Our first session was an hour. We went through a couple of replays and he helped point out some big mistakes I was making. After replay review we did some live coaching and I was blown away - I have NEVER played SC2 like that before. It felt like I was playing an entirely new game. He spent some extra time with me (for free) to go over some specific things in that replay too. I was really surprised to get the extra attention. Oh and the VODs he makes for you on j.tv and youtube are nice as well! I wasn't expecting that at all.
I immediately scheduled a two hour session for the next day. The funny thing is that I was doing so well in ladder after the first session I had trouble digging up replays that I felt like needed analyzing. Anyways, I found some and we went over them again. Then we did a lot of live coaching. I was gold at the time (platinum now, diamond soon...thanks desRow!) and beating diamond players. I'd ask him about specific things, and we'd do them. I perfected my builds. My playstyle changed dramatically. Again, it's like I'm playing a new game now.
It was worth every penny. I enjoy SC2 so much more now. I'm a better player and will definitely be scheduling more lessons.
Evidence:
http://www.twitpic.com/44wp3q
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On March 20 2011 08:17 iNcontroL wrote:
GET SOMEEEEEEEE
standard ass response =/
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Opinions aside, desrow paid for this thread and it's not really fair to him for it to get derailed like this. If you're not here in support of his coaching, then you probably don't need to be posting in here =/
Goodluck on the coaching, desrow. Seems like a reasonable price and you certainly have the ability to help a lot of players here improve their understanding of the game. Looks like you have a good review above here, actually
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On March 20 2011 11:34 Murkon wrote:I can vouch for desRow's coaching. I've had a total of three hours of coaching with him. Our first session was an hour. We went through a couple of replays and he helped point out some big mistakes I was making. After replay review we did some live coaching and I was blown away - I have NEVER played SC2 like that before. It felt like I was playing an entirely new game. He spent some extra time with me (for free) to go over some specific things in that replay too. I was really surprised to get the extra attention. Oh and the VODs he makes for you on j.tv and youtube are nice as well! I wasn't expecting that at all. I immediately scheduled a two hour session for the next day. The funny thing is that I was doing so well in ladder after the first session I had trouble digging up replays that I felt like needed analyzing. Anyways, I found some and we went over them again. Then we did a lot of live coaching. I was gold at the time (platinum now, diamond soon...thanks desRow!) and beating diamond players. I'd ask him about specific things, and we'd do them. I perfected my builds. My playstyle changed dramatically. Again, it's like I'm playing a new game now. It was worth every penny. I enjoy SC2 so much more now. I'm a better player and will definitely be scheduling more lessons. Evidence: http://www.twitpic.com/44wp3q
ROFL wow dude, that screenshot is pretty sweet. Can't argue with results like that!
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On March 19 2011 10:54 KiWiKaKi wrote:
sick coach
kiwi pretty much summed up this thread
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LoL, the vid was a game vs iNcontroL, that's pretty clever. Good luck with your coaching, sir! Reasonable rates + quality coaching = great success. Looks like you're well on your way.
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Inc another legendary communication attempt between iNcontroL and the community?
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Did you check the TL match history? Numbers don't mean anything in this case. The people Incontrol faced are far better than anyone Desrow played besides Sjow or DDE, whom Desrow lost to 0-8. Their records on bnet look similar except I believe Incontrol has a pretty high bonus pool still. Why are you guys going so far to prove Desrow is equal or superior to Incontrol? Desrow made a a mistake with his video ending on Incontrol saying GG. I have never seen anything like it in all the coaching profiles I've read. "BTW I beat this guy with a 4 gate".
I also don't have a problem with Desrow as a player or coach, which he seems to have good reviews. I honestly think he should remove the video and maybe just include a replay pack instead.
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On March 19 2011 17:38 desrow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 17:25 FuSioN722 wrote:On March 19 2011 16:17 YellowZerg wrote:
I hope your not as annoying as you we're in DotA, probably why you didn't include any information about your "amazing" dota career because most of it was you lieing and sucking up to pro players. I wasn't going to spill the beans on his dota reputation but you did call this pretty evenly. http://www.gosugamers.net/dota/replays.php?&p1=desrow&format=5on5This is just one of many sites-He only uploaded games to gosugamers where his team won.ONLY wins. Didn't matter if it was a GG. He pretty much always plays STr-supports, the type of hero that can't be blamed for the loss yet can call out the supports and carries for failing, which was his Calling-card in dota. As for the comments between incontrol and desrow.... thats no contest Incontrol understands the game way better and doesn't even seem to try half the time he ladders. Theres also a reason Incontrols rates are so good and his students love his lessons. Gosugamer asked me to submit replays. I was playing everyday in every in house league, why would I turn them down ? Never said I was a top player in DotA. I didn't mention my DotA background I never won any money for DotA so I never considered myself as a professional DotA player or as a top DotA player. But you and the guy above calling me out is understandable. The mentality of DotA fans is made this way.
Okay,
Gosugamer's didn't ask you to upload replays, don't even try and play that card, and if an admin working there asked you to - it most certainly was not because of your skill and it to make it out to be like that was the norm is a joke, you uploaded games of you winning and professionals and users all called you out on it.
Mentality of DotA fans? You we're one of the most hated people in the scene because lied, sucked up to anyone by way of "managing" teams and then claiming your a pro because you can now play in the house games and got invited into the leagues via you claiming what you could.
There is nothing wrong with the DotA community and it's players, you just didn't get to suck your way like you wanted so to collectively call out the "mentality" of DotA fan's just proves your ignorance even more.
If this guy has changed, good for him, but it should be known he is a well documented liar and will paint himself in the best possible light to get where he wants.
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On March 19 2011 17:25 FuSioN722 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 16:17 YellowZerg wrote:
I hope your not as annoying as you we're in DotA, probably why you didn't include any information about your "amazing" dota career because most of it was you lieing and sucking up to pro players. I wasn't going to spill the beans on his dota reputation but you did call this pretty evenly. http://www.gosugamers.net/dota/replays.php?&p1=desrow&format=5on5This is just one of many sites-He only uploaded games to gosugamers where his team won.ONLY wins. Didn't matter if it was a GG. He pretty much always plays STr-supports, the type of hero that can't be blamed for the loss yet can call out the supports and carries for failing, which was his Calling-card in dota. As for the comments between incontrol and desrow.... thats no contest Incontrol understands the game way better and doesn't even seem to try half the time he ladders. Theres also a reason Incontrols rates are so good and his students love his lessons.
I know him too from dota and i clicked on the first 3 games of your link and 2 times his team lost. So its not right what you are saying he posted many games where his team lost.
anyway thumbs up for desRow
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Atta boy desrow! doing it big as always :D!
GL with everything ^^ <3
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Glad to see you supporting TL.net using there adv/sponsorship programs. Hope you get a ton of business!!!!
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You should teach me french while you teach me how to play.
2 for 1 special.
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Yeah, Desrow, wtf is wrong with you.
Why would anyone who's trying to earn money coaching post a replay of them beating someone well-known on ladder?! You should have made a compilation of you beating 100 unknown players and then put that together in an hour long youtube video montage, it'd be much more impressive.
wat
Seriously, there are a ton of idiots permeating in this thread. If you beat a good player in ladder, or you play good players regularly and can beat them, ever, of course it's something to mention, especially when you're advertising. Sure, it might have just been a 4gate game, but out of the entire Starcraft community, how many people do you think could beat Incontrol, even ONCE, in a PvP?
Is Desrow better than incontrol? I wouldn't think so; incontrol's on EG, he's a pretty baller player, and I'm pretty sure he practices on a pretty regular basis.
Is Desrow a better coach than incontrol? I'm not sure, I know that incontrol is pretty analytical but I've never heard Desrow give lessons before.
I didn't get the impression of either of these things from reading his OP or watching his video. The things that I notice are that he charges pretty low rates (compared to gosucoaching people) and that he's got some accomplishments in terms of tourney play, and that he's also able to at least beat a pro one time (I'm sure he's beaten other well known people, as well).
People need to chill the fuck out and stop trying to play the "SAVE MY INTERNET REPUTATION" game every time someone makes a thread on TL, sheesh.
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On March 21 2011 04:32 vdek wrote:
you should teach me french while you teach me how to play.
2 for 1 special.
This, and ur awesome bro.
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If you didn't notice, incontrol hasn't posted for quite some time. Probably doesn't even look at it anymore, the only people keeping that stupid argument alive are you by discussing it over and over, you're just beating a dead horse or however you call that.
It's pretty sad.
So could we just get back to Desrow's coaching and stop derailing the thread he actually spent his well earned money on?
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I just got my first lesson with desrow today i gotta say that he really care about you learning something, he explain the problems i got in my micro.
as he said he acts like a father XD trying for her son to score a home run! XD
god money well pay.
i got a couple of god replays that i can study and get better at it.
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On March 21 2011 10:55 TheIc3man wrote:
I just got my first lesson with desrow today i gotta say that he really care about you learning something, he explain the problems i got in my micro.
as he said he acts like a father XD trying for her son to score a home run! XD
god money well pay.
i got a couple of god replays that i can study and get better at it.
Yeah, desrow cares a lot about all of his students.
Desrow also has the best fucking analogies of all time. They're fantastic.
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i'm a friend of desrow + geoff and been reading through the past few pages of chat and must say i am inclined to agree with incontrol... kinda came off as "look who i beat so you should get coaching from me because im -thismuch- cheaper"
people bringing up the difference between what incontrol charges and what desrow charges is completely ridiculous. simply because a player is competent at the game does not automatically mean that they are for surea good teacher. sure they can do what is required to win games, but i see many of these high-level players claim to be good coaches and when i watch some, if they stream them as it's getting more common, they simply tell their student what to do and when.
watch incontrol's vods of lessons tos ee how he differs from these aforementioned coaches (i wont list names because i'm friends with most of them and have no desire to personally attack them), is that he gives the reason "why" the student should be doing something, not merely pointing them in the direciton and promising they'll hit masters (exaggeration but you can understand what i mean)
anyways i wish desrow the best of luck from one coach to another
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On March 21 2011 12:50 RyanRushia wrote:
watch incontrol's vods of lessons tos ee how he differs from these aforementioned coaches (i wont list names because i'm friends with most of them and have no desire to personally attack them), is that he gives the reason "why" the student should be doing something, not merely pointing them in the direciton and promising they'll hit masters (exaggeration but you can understand what i mean)
So he spends 1 hour telling bronze players they need to macro better? That's a bit steep even if you do it with InControl's charisma.
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VTdesRow is a really nice guy, will help you with anything you need. I met him at Lan ETS. He is a very good player I encourage you to get lessons from him! <3
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Hey desRow!! I would recommend this guy 100%. He's hilarious, and extremely knowledgeable. If you're looking for fun and improvement, he's the guy.
Love you, desRow!!! <3
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 19 2011 21:08 niteReloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 11:07 Ack1027 wrote:On March 19 2011 09:21 niteReloaded wrote:On March 19 2011 07:15 Ack1027 wrote:
You can buy a thread in the sponsored section? That's news to me.
hahahaha duuuudeee.. "sponsored" On topic, I like the subtle 1up on incontrol by ending the video with "EGincontrol has left the game". ? and I thought buying a Sponsored Thread would be a good way for me to give back to TL ye I don't get your point? Sponsored Thread means that you pay up to get your thread some attention.
I lowered my rate to 13$/hr if you use the deal and buy 2ħours (and get one free) until April. That's also another way to give back to you guys =).
Anyway guys... Thank you for the feedback. Good and bad. These past couple days have been crazy. I've been overwhelmed by new students and even just people not interested in lessons but telling me my thread was awesome on bnet and such.
I don't mind people giving crap for my DotA past and the incontrol incident was unfortunate. Anyway, this community is awesome and I'm glad this thread didn't get too derailed.
At the end of the day, everyone had the opportunity to say their opinion. Like in every debate, everyone didn't agree with each other and even tho some people gave each other a few Indian burns, we're still a nice and friendly community.
![[image loading]](http://lilteacher.com/myPictures/Circle%20of%20Friends-2.JPG)
PS: I edited the OP with my replay pack and my page on z33k.com
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+ Show Spoiler +
Ok so apparently me and destiny are friends... (my name is Justin)
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He is 80$ cheaper than Incontrol, 4gates better than Incontrol and has class, but the question is, do you have a hot gf?
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funny how dota personalities don't always carry over. desrow in dota was...well thats been described
sorcery hacked in dota and hacked in sc2
now if i can just make a few grand on sc2 like dota....damn
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On March 21 2011 10:27 FliedLice wrote:
If you didn't notice, incontrol hasn't posted for quite some time. Probably doesn't even look at it anymore, the only people keeping that stupid argument alive are you by discussing it over and over, you're just beating a dead horse or however you call that.
It's pretty sad.
So could we just get back to Desrow's coaching and stop derailing the thread he actually spent his well earned money on?
Either way this thread keeps getting bumped, so it's more exposure for Desrow. Guess iNc is actually helping him out by getting his fanboys to derail the thread lol.
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it's a sponsored thread, no bumping needed... lol
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Hey didn't we play DotA together?
Not going to give you shit about it since we never had a tiff. Just here to say hi.
Also, good luck. That's fairly reasonable a price for SC2 coaching.
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Wow I come back from holiday and desRow has a sponsored thread. They grow up so fast.
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On March 23 2011 02:08 Drolla wrote:
Wow I come back from holiday and desRow has a sponsored thread. They grow up so fast.
haha that made me laugh so hard. I'm streaming lessons today at 4pm EST 3hours back to back for anyone whos interested to see my coaching. It will be on www.justin.tv/vtdesrow
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hahahah like this
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desrow. is that deal of yours still on. rich is training next week and i think i might take the chance to get a couple hours of coaching from you.
its $25 for 2 right?
just send me a message over skype or something and we can talk details of whatever.
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Is your name based on the Bemani artist Des-ROW?
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On March 23 2011 17:18 Braedenk wrote:
Is your name based on the Bemani artist Des-ROW?
It comes from the japenese rock band desrow. You can youtube it.
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french coaching.. interesting!
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On March 19 2011 10:53 iNcontroL wrote:
At the end of the day you are the kind of guy who wins a ladder game and makes a video with that as the crowning achievement. If that is the case no amount of explaining "why" or w/e will change anything... it's perfectly fine dude. If you need to 4 gate me and make a video to prove you can "compete" with top level players to get coaching... all the power to you dude.
What's funny is I got completely turned off by the entire thing after I saw you leaving the game. I thought to myself "Well what kind of accomplishment is that?"
Anywho, it's no worse than charging 100$/hr for a lesson when people who consistently beat you on ladder charge 25$/hr~
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On March 20 2011 08:17 iNcontroL wrote:
GET SOMEEEEEEEE
wtf? If any non-moderator posted this (in a sponsored thread, no less) they would have been warned, or possibly temp-banned. Please stop embarrassing yourself.
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On March 25 2011 22:59 RoosterSamurai wrote:wtf? If any non-moderator posted this (in a sponsored thread, no less) they would have been warned, or possibly temp-banned. Please stop embarrassing yourself.
He's incontrol, he can say whatever he wants without any consequences whatsoever.
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On March 21 2011 17:53 ImHuko wrote:
He is 80$ cheaper than Incontrol, 4gates better than Incontrol and has class, but the question is, do you have a hot gf?
wat incontrol doesn't 4gate.. would you pay someone to teach you to 4gate b/c i am here for you
On March 26 2011 00:49 RaFeStaR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 22:59 RoosterSamurai wrote:On March 20 2011 08:17 iNcontroL wrote:
GET SOMEEEEEEEE wtf? If any non-moderator posted this (in a sponsored thread, no less) they would have been warned, or possibly temp-banned. Please stop embarrassing yourself. He's incontrol, he can say whatever he wants without any consequences whatsoever.
On March 20 2011 08:17 iNcontroL wrote:
GET SOMEEEEEEEE
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I'm a desrow fan now, this guy is hilarious xD
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