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Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
January 22 2018 23:18 GMT
#36521
Its dumb when its not precalculated (and sometimes varies between goods?)
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
January 22 2018 23:18 GMT
#36522
On January 23 2018 08:15 Holyflare wrote:
I haven't written a single cheque in my entire life wtf is wrong with your country?

Show nested quote +

Malaysia has a 6% VAT on everything too. It's dumb here too.


Why is that dumb? Europe is all 20%+ basically.

VAT tax is dumb.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
January 23 2018 00:37 GMT
#36523
So apparently Darkest Dungeon has had a new DLC, the Shieldbreaker for a few months... just heard of it. >_>
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
January 23 2018 00:41 GMT
#36524
Probably won't check it out unless I pick it up for Switch.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-23 06:07:39
January 23 2018 06:06 GMT
#36525
On January 23 2018 08:15 Holyflare wrote:
I haven't written a single cheque in my entire life wtf is wrong with your country?

Show nested quote +

Malaysia has a 6% VAT on everything too. It's dumb here too.


Why is that dumb? Europe is all 20%+ basically.


Cuz when something is advertised as RM10 you shouldn't have to pay RM10.60

On January 23 2018 09:37 zer0das wrote:
So apparently Darkest Dungeon has had a new DLC, the Shieldbreaker for a few months... just heard of it. >_>


It's just an extra character and a few monster types. Nothing too fancy.

She's pretty stronk tho.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 23 2018 07:38 GMT
#36526
On January 23 2018 15:06 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2018 08:15 Holyflare wrote:
I haven't written a single cheque in my entire life wtf is wrong with your country?


Malaysia has a 6% VAT on everything too. It's dumb here too.


Why is that dumb? Europe is all 20%+ basically.


Cuz when something is advertised as RM10 you shouldn't have to pay RM10.60

Show nested quote +
On January 23 2018 09:37 zer0das wrote:
So apparently Darkest Dungeon has had a new DLC, the Shieldbreaker for a few months... just heard of it. >_>


It's just an extra character and a few monster types. Nothing too fancy.

She's pretty stronk tho.


That's easily avoided by advertising it as RM10.60 though?
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
January 23 2018 08:45 GMT
#36527
Yeah but people don't do that.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-23 09:25:02
January 23 2018 09:20 GMT
#36528
Prices are all vat inclusive here so what's advertised is what's paid. Your receipt has the breakdown so if you are a VAT vendor you can use that to claim back.

The main issue with VAT is that it's non-scaling so it hurts the lower income population far more than anyone else. However it's also far harder to avoid as a tax compared to income tax which top income population avoids like a plague. Ideally if countries got to the point where they actually got the tax they wanted out of top income population they may not even need VAT or low income tax.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
January 23 2018 17:03 GMT
#36529
I wish our VAT was included in vendor pricing. Would be mighty convenient.

Although i shouldn't complain, in Alberta we just pay 5%.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 23 2018 17:27 GMT
#36530
On January 23 2018 18:20 Numy wrote:
Prices are all vat inclusive here so what's advertised is what's paid. Your receipt has the breakdown so if you are a VAT vendor you can use that to claim back.

The main issue with VAT is that it's non-scaling so it hurts the lower income population far more than anyone else. However it's also far harder to avoid as a tax compared to income tax which top income population avoids like a plague. Ideally if countries got to the point where they actually got the tax they wanted out of top income population they may not even need VAT or low income tax.


Hahahaha funny. Business expenses you can just claim VAT back. Job done. Super easy to avoid.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-23 18:01:17
January 23 2018 18:00 GMT
#36531
On January 24 2018 02:27 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2018 18:20 Numy wrote:
Prices are all vat inclusive here so what's advertised is what's paid. Your receipt has the breakdown so if you are a VAT vendor you can use that to claim back.

The main issue with VAT is that it's non-scaling so it hurts the lower income population far more than anyone else. However it's also far harder to avoid as a tax compared to income tax which top income population avoids like a plague. Ideally if countries got to the point where they actually got the tax they wanted out of top income population they may not even need VAT or low income tax.


Hahahaha funny. Business expenses you can just claim VAT back. Job done. Super easy to avoid.

I'm not sure how yours works. But if your vat in vs vat out stuff is a bit fishy here SARS basically sits on your ass 24/7 for months. My folks sold their business about 2 years ago. Since they went from having VAT tables every month to nothing SARS basically said "this was suspicious" and audited them every single month for about 7 months.

At the end of the day avoidance is really up to how well run/funded your tax collection agency is. I say it's harder to avoid since the paper trails are a bit more clear cut. All tax is easy to avoid if you rich anyway I guess, especially if you capture the agency in charge of collection.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 23 2018 19:40 GMT
#36532
On January 24 2018 03:00 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2018 02:27 Holyflare wrote:
On January 23 2018 18:20 Numy wrote:
Prices are all vat inclusive here so what's advertised is what's paid. Your receipt has the breakdown so if you are a VAT vendor you can use that to claim back.

The main issue with VAT is that it's non-scaling so it hurts the lower income population far more than anyone else. However it's also far harder to avoid as a tax compared to income tax which top income population avoids like a plague. Ideally if countries got to the point where they actually got the tax they wanted out of top income population they may not even need VAT or low income tax.


Hahahaha funny. Business expenses you can just claim VAT back. Job done. Super easy to avoid.

I'm not sure how yours works. But if your vat in vs vat out stuff is a bit fishy here SARS basically sits on your ass 24/7 for months. My folks sold their business about 2 years ago. Since they went from having VAT tables every month to nothing SARS basically said "this was suspicious" and audited them every single month for about 7 months.

At the end of the day avoidance is really up to how well run/funded your tax collection agency is. I say it's harder to avoid since the paper trails are a bit more clear cut. All tax is easy to avoid if you rich anyway I guess, especially if you capture the agency in charge of collection.


https://www.gov.uk/reclaim-vat

You simply show it's a "business expense" and they pay you back?
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
January 23 2018 20:08 GMT
#36533
There's two big things here(at least in general. You have to be able to justify any expense, especially if using that expense as a deductible. Second, VAT is a "closed" loop in that your VAT input is someone else VAT output. So VAT will actual be a separate item in your books each time you buy/sell anyway. It's not a business expense you claiming back but instead that VAT overall.

Trying to claim expenses that are not VAT deductible or inflate numbers to try claim more VAT becomes tricky since what you are claiming should correspond to someone else's books. So yes you can just claim back VAT(if you're a vendor) but at last personally it's a thing they scrutinize considerably.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
January 24 2018 19:40 GMT
#36534
Company I own stock in announced they're laying off 5,500 people and the tax cut allowed them to perform this restructuring. Stock price went up. Oh, and they raised dividends by 3%. >_>
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
January 24 2018 19:42 GMT
#36535
On January 25 2018 04:40 zer0das wrote:
Company I own stock in announced they're laying off 5,500 people and the tax cut allowed them to perform this restructuring. Stock price went up. Oh, and they raised dividends by 3%. >_>

Trickledown economics at its finest.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 24 2018 19:51 GMT
#36536
Can't argue with science.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
January 24 2018 22:20 GMT
#36537
This ESL drama is pretty funny

They sign a 2 year deal with facebook, and the entire dota community immediately decides to boycott all facebook streamed events. Unlucky
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
January 24 2018 22:23 GMT
#36538
Signing a 2 year deal with Facebook seems like a move someone with no idea what they doing past the paycheck in front of their eyes would do.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
January 24 2018 23:10 GMT
#36539
So... everyone?
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
January 24 2018 23:13 GMT
#36540
Yeah definitely sounds like me no lie
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
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