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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-02 22:28:08
November 02 2017 22:27 GMT
#35641
So I interviewed with a company which does some business with my current company. They loved me, I made it all the way through like 4 rounds of interviews, super excited about the opportunity, got a verbal offer and was negotiating compensation - was going to have my offer letter tomorrow. Turns out there is a non-solicit clause in one of the agreements between my company and the company I was interviewing for... and my offer got nuked by legal on final review.

I'm just kind of in shock right now.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35154 Posts
November 03 2017 01:53 GMT
#35642
That blows. Somebody should have made you aware earlier. Do you know if you'd be able to get hired there if you quit your current job?
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-03 03:28:16
November 03 2017 03:27 GMT
#35643
So they had done an initial check before I started interviewing and things looked clear. Then I actually brought it up after my verbal offer that they should double check, and they confirmed it was all good. Apparently on the third and final check, something got flagged.

I have the agreements (actually helped negotiate them on our end) and I can't find where the issue is. So it's confusing.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-03 03:34:56
November 03 2017 03:33 GMT
#35644
How does the clause work, does it let you get recruited later down the line after you leave your current company and some time passes?

Close draft tonight.
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P1P1 Tempest Caller over Savage Stomp, Tilonalli's Skinshifter and I don't remember the other card I passed. P1P2 Lightning-Rig Crew over Fiery Cannonade (since it's good in all match-ups if I end up running it), passing a bunch of W including a Bishop (missing common, I figure my neighbour took a foil). Pick 3 there's Heartless Pillage and Freebooter, I could move toward Black but... not sure. People picked the rare and a common there, and there's plenty of decent W so I decide to pass it and hope people will fight after the Bishop and now an Interdiction.

I figured late into pack 1 that Merfolk may be tried in my seat, but I'm firmly UR by then, so jumping to UG seems like a stretch. After mid-pack was devoid of White, it comes back full force at the end and I even have a choice pick 10 between cutting Raptor Companion or Skyblade.

Pack 2 I get a lot of blue, also a bit of black, and G/W seem super dry... till pick 6 randomly has Shapers of Nature, Deep Warrior and another decent G card. They end up the last 3 cards in the pack too when somebody on my left erupts about them.
At that point and a late Dire Fleet Captain it looks like I could have been BR. Oh well.

Pack 3 has a fuckton of black and I end up cutting some. There's slightly less Red, especially removal or tricks, I still pick up a couple things. My first pick is between Storm Fleet Arsonist and a 3rd One with the Wind. Because I didn't have a lot of creatures wearing the pants well I went with Arsonist but I think that was the wrong pick. A triple OwtW deck is just an even more busted double OwtW deck after all.

The deck ends up very consistent but with clear holes:
- Stormtamer, Shipwreck Looter, FFF, 2x Shaper Apprentice, 3x LRC, 2x Watertrap Weaver, Captain Lannery Storm, 2x Buccaneers, 2x OwtW, 2x Depths of Desires, 2x Run Aground (running one of each), Firecannon Blast, Dowing Dagger as a poor man's cutlass, choice of 5-drops and some other stuff
- no cutlass tho ("cut" pack 3 by the vampire drafter slightly to my right, he didn't do it with tokens in mind apparently, only one opened), a Marauding Looter was cut to my left by the UB drafter, and I know there are a lot of auras around (passed a Mark, and the OwtW pack 3)
- if I had to draft again, maybe I'd have taken the freebooter and tried BR (it was open and it turns out I was cut a lot of good U by UB 2 seats to my left despite cutting as I could pack 1 and giving them all the B and W in the world), but mostly I'd have picked up Sailor of Means over Storm Fleet Spy for easier splashing, and the aura over the arsonist. Cutting auras and being able to splash Mark myself would have given me a big leg up on the rest of the pod.

I was mostly wondering about how to play the game, since 3x LRC can take them over and end fast if I have a single bear getting through each turn, or playing pirates often (had 9+), but they don't wear pants well because of that. Pants > LRC in this format since they represent 3-4 damage a turn at least, and Arsonist doesn't go well with the slower plan of Crew anyway.

Seat to my right forced dinos, picking a bit of Red from me (Unfriendly Fire), and to his right was Vampires. He simply drafted very badly (he opened Call to the Feast pack 3, wheeled it (reasonable if there was something good as it likely won't get picked up so the main risk is hate drafting) and still didn't pick it, passed several queen's commission and late Zeals and Contract Killings too).
UR or UG is likely the correct call if the pod was more experienced (2x Kumena's Speaker, 2x Watertrap Weaver, 2x Tishana's Wayfinder, Tempest Caller, 2-3x Jade Guardian with 3x Winds would have been a killer basis for a deck).

Round 1 was pretty one-sided, opp mulled twice and didn't have a 2-drop and I had LRC every time so I just had to attack every turn and bounce/tap his bigger blockers.

Round 2 was against the guy who forced dinos, game 1 he went t3 New Horizons t4 Ceratops and I had a bounce so I just attacked through every turn, forcing removal on Lannery Storm.
Game 2 I drew 3 creatures and he could race the Stormtamer any day, had Ixalan's Binding for another, and Dual Shot from the side meant he'd kill a lot of them, so I end up losing my big blocker and with all lands in hand it's RIP.
Game 3 looks like a bit of the same as getting stuck on 3 lands makes things hard for me, but Lannery Storm comes through, Tempest Caller pushes some damage, and I get absurdly lucky with a leftover treasure when my opponent targets LRC with Ixalan's Bindin, that I sac Stormtamer for. I had another LRC in hand, and since I transformed Dagger to get over 3 mana + treasures my flying clock would have been too slow. With another pirate in hand it's over quickly.

Round 3 was the interesting one, against the UB player who's the other experienced one at the pod.
Last week I beat him after a ridiculous UB mirror and my air force + tempo vs his bomb rares and banner, so a t1 Stormtamer could be a PTSD if he thinks I'll t3 cutlass.
Game 1 he's on the play and the difference is big as instead of smacking him with Lannery I have to discard twice to Deadeye Tormentor (he's running 2x Siren's Ruse) and getting Firecannon Blast exiled with Freebooter on turn 2. I keep drawing action tho and even having to play OwtW on Stormtamer, that + Dowsing Dagger is enough to force him to chump after awhile. In the end, after several decent topdecks from me he topdecks something to kill me rather than die to LRC triggers / unopposed flyer the following turn.
Game 2 I have a slowish start but after I Run Aground his Tormentor back on top of his library... dumping Mark + One with the Wind in the yard, I get to beat him down despite the massive 20 points life swing (I wanted to double block the Tormentor after Mark, but he untapped and played OwtW on it, welp).
Game 3 I have no play before turn 3 and he sees my whole hand with another t2 Freebooter, so... I also stay stuck on 2 lands and he makes me discard again, RIP. It ends up close because I have 2x Shaper Apprentice and a Shipwreck Looter with pants so he's hard-pressed. Freebooter has a Mark of the Vampire which I can race, but then his Hoarder gets a OwtW. It comes close but when I have to keep a flyer back to chump and go to 1, he casts Vraka's Contempt on it so I'm dead.

I didn't want to keep Lannery and trade her with Hoarder, same with Brazen Buccaneer, but since I had identified his game plan as "win with auras" (or get counters on his Siren Lookouts but since I have my own auras/dagger for my flyers I actually go bigger than him) I should have offered the trade regardless.
His creatures are small, so either he trades which forces him to replay creatures before he can suit them up, or he takes the damage which puts me ahead in the race but indicates that either he's got auras, or no replacement creatures in hand (his creature curve was lower than non-creature one so unlikely). In that case I'd be setting up for a big tempo win if I have removal or bounce in hand to tempo him out (especially if he plays OwtW since it's "only" 2 more damage in exchange for setting him back one turn and a half).
I don't know if that'd have won me game 3, but it makes no sense to keep creatures back since his deck doesn't look to interact at all and at worst I'd trade.

His deck looked like it'd have the most issues with midrange, interestingly.
An aggro deck would need at least 2 removal to handle the Mark and be able to race, and a control one wouldn't be able to deal with all the flyers and discard before it died. Midrange on the other hand, especially playing red dinos, would be big enough and have trample to just outrace him, so as long as it can save a single removal for the Mark, it'd go way over him.
He complained about not drawing his removal but finding 2+ of his 3 auras, the Freebooter, and at least one of his 2 Tormentors in each of the 3 games served him just as well as the Dreamcaller Siren or Skulduggery would have. On my end, having sided into 4 ways to bounce his creatures it should have been expected that I'd draw at least one per game.
On the play, maybe I should have sided Cancel in and simply held it up as much as possible to prevent discard or auras... or Swashbuckling to make my creatures bigger and keep racing (it's basically a OwtW considering the match-up unless I play Dowsing Dagger). I wonder if I gave too much credit to his Tormentors and ability to put me in topdeck mode early on—it's variance that he drew them so much but with 2x Tormentor and 2x Siren's Ruse he's likely to make me discard.

My drafting choices clearly came to light in that match since Freebooter let him not play around anything, while I basically lost both games (and almost the one I won) to the auras I actually passed him.

TL;DR auras win games, especially the ones you don't first pick in a weird pack, and picking treasures higher in UR so you can splash Mark of the Vampire is actually the right call (I believe; woulda insta-won considering my opponent's deck).
I tried drafting somewhat openly but you learn from your mistakes.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
November 03 2017 17:20 GMT
#35645
blizzcon hype
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
November 03 2017 18:48 GMT
#35646
SC2 going free to play :o
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35154 Posts
November 03 2017 18:59 GMT
#35647
Might as well, doubt that game is selling many more copies.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
November 03 2017 20:44 GMT
#35648
On November 03 2017 12:27 ticklishmusic wrote:
So they had done an initial check before I started interviewing and things looked clear. Then I actually brought it up after my verbal offer that they should double check, and they confirmed it was all good. Apparently on the third and final check, something got flagged.

I have the agreements (actually helped negotiate them on our end) and I can't find where the issue is. So it's confusing.


Is it in your service contract between the company and client? My company was in a similar situation before, but the client who poached someone told them that this person was leaving our company regardless and wanted to continue to work with them. This was a breech of our service agreement, but the client told them that said agreement would not be renewed if they made a big deal about it and that was the end of it.

How badly does this client want/need you is what this really boils down to. All agreements are negotiable, it is all about what you're worth.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
November 03 2017 22:21 GMT
#35649
vanilla wow
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-03 23:46:09
November 03 2017 23:40 GMT
#35650
On November 04 2017 05:44 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
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On November 03 2017 12:27 ticklishmusic wrote:
So they had done an initial check before I started interviewing and things looked clear. Then I actually brought it up after my verbal offer that they should double check, and they confirmed it was all good. Apparently on the third and final check, something got flagged.

I have the agreements (actually helped negotiate them on our end) and I can't find where the issue is. So it's confusing.


Is it in your service contract between the company and client? My company was in a similar situation before, but the client who poached someone told them that this person was leaving our company regardless and wanted to continue to work with them. This was a breech of our service agreement, but the client told them that said agreement would not be renewed if they made a big deal about it and that was the end of it.

How badly does this client want/need you is what this really boils down to. All agreements are negotiable, it is all about what you're worth.


Yes, it's between current company and the new company - they're a IT vendor of ours. Their HR/ legal pretty much won't allow an offer to go forward because of the issue. I kick ass and was by far their number one candidate for this role - they said as much - but I'm replaceable - there were a couple other final round candidates and one of them will more than likely get the offer given the situation.

'm kicking myself a bit because I was the one who asked them to double check, but I figure that it was the right and ethical thing to do even if in effect I may have been the one to drop the piano on my head as a result.

However, I've gone through the agreements with a fine toothed comb three times and I don't see where the supposed issue is. I'm talking to the hiring manager on Monday, so I'll ask her about it and close the loop gracefully as I can given the situation.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
November 04 2017 00:22 GMT
#35651
On November 04 2017 08:40 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2017 05:44 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On November 03 2017 12:27 ticklishmusic wrote:
So they had done an initial check before I started interviewing and things looked clear. Then I actually brought it up after my verbal offer that they should double check, and they confirmed it was all good. Apparently on the third and final check, something got flagged.

I have the agreements (actually helped negotiate them on our end) and I can't find where the issue is. So it's confusing.


Is it in your service contract between the company and client? My company was in a similar situation before, but the client who poached someone told them that this person was leaving our company regardless and wanted to continue to work with them. This was a breech of our service agreement, but the client told them that said agreement would not be renewed if they made a big deal about it and that was the end of it.

How badly does this client want/need you is what this really boils down to. All agreements are negotiable, it is all about what you're worth.


Yes, it's between current company and the new company - they're a IT vendor of ours. Their HR/ legal pretty much won't allow an offer to go forward because of the issue. I kick ass and was by far their number one candidate for this role - they said as much - but I'm replaceable - there were a couple other final round candidates and one of them will more than likely get the offer given the situation.

'm kicking myself a bit because I was the one who asked them to double check, but I figure that it was the right and ethical thing to do even if in effect I may have been the one to drop the piano on my head as a result.

However, I've gone through the agreements with a fine toothed comb three times and I don't see where the supposed issue is. I'm talking to the hiring manager on Monday, so I'll ask her about it and close the loop gracefully as I can given the situation.


It doesn't have to be written down even. Office politics can defy all logic and reason.

I'm not sure how risk adverse you are, but your company figuring out after the fact and pressuring the client is not something I'd be comfortable with. I think you made the right call.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-04 00:43:42
November 04 2017 00:32 GMT
#35652
On November 04 2017 09:22 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2017 08:40 ticklishmusic wrote:
On November 04 2017 05:44 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On November 03 2017 12:27 ticklishmusic wrote:
So they had done an initial check before I started interviewing and things looked clear. Then I actually brought it up after my verbal offer that they should double check, and they confirmed it was all good. Apparently on the third and final check, something got flagged.

I have the agreements (actually helped negotiate them on our end) and I can't find where the issue is. So it's confusing.


Is it in your service contract between the company and client? My company was in a similar situation before, but the client who poached someone told them that this person was leaving our company regardless and wanted to continue to work with them. This was a breech of our service agreement, but the client told them that said agreement would not be renewed if they made a big deal about it and that was the end of it.

How badly does this client want/need you is what this really boils down to. All agreements are negotiable, it is all about what you're worth.


Yes, it's between current company and the new company - they're a IT vendor of ours. Their HR/ legal pretty much won't allow an offer to go forward because of the issue. I kick ass and was by far their number one candidate for this role - they said as much - but I'm replaceable - there were a couple other final round candidates and one of them will more than likely get the offer given the situation.

'm kicking myself a bit because I was the one who asked them to double check, but I figure that it was the right and ethical thing to do even if in effect I may have been the one to drop the piano on my head as a result.

However, I've gone through the agreements with a fine toothed comb three times and I don't see where the supposed issue is. I'm talking to the hiring manager on Monday, so I'll ask her about it and close the loop gracefully as I can given the situation.


It doesn't have to be written down even. Office politics can defy all logic and reason.

I'm not sure how risk adverse you are, but your company figuring out after the fact and pressuring the client is not something I'd be comfortable with. I think you made the right call.


Yeah. The thing is that apparently the business lead on their end who had signed the damn contract had okayed things, and everyone was aware of the relationship - and the potential implications - from the get-go and had 'confirmed' there were no issues.

I have a clean conscience, but that's kind of scant consolation at this moment in time.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-04 04:37:26
November 04 2017 03:22 GMT
#35653
Better safe than sorry. Employment isn't nothing either.

I just got cut from my, uh, health insurance? Everyone's got a basic one that's paid for by your job/unemployment "fee", that covers a % of expenses, and you can get a complementary one to cover part or all of the rest—it's usually part of the benefits in a job. You also get to keep it for a few months in most cases after going unemployed.
I received a letter, dated from October 9th, asking me for proofs that I'm still seeking a job, to send them before the 25th or I'd get cut.
It came into the mail on October 23rd.
I called them immediatly to clear it up and got told that as long as it arrives before November I'm fine and they'll clean things up and stop me from being cut. Sent it on the 27th via email after getting to a public scanner for the docs. Learn that I'm cut via email today.
Sent an email back but I'm probably calling asap monday. >_>

Also someone's filling my musical culture in so might as well share o/


Also 3-0'd a draft with a deck that was so much worse than a lot of my 2-1's. I was thinking "well this'll make me want to draft BR again because it won't feel representative of the pair at all" and I got lucky to mostly dodge the aura decks, beat Gishath after chumping so he'd only reveal 2 cards, enter a grindfest with RW vampires won by Lightning-Rig Crew and Headstrong Brute (check tells of a trick, when none remove the actual creature then punch through 'cause he doesn't want to put 2 tokens on the Brute). Also Heartless Pillage once he's down to 2 cards to get 2 removals out was great.
Then in the finals keep 5-lander on the play vs Merfolk, if I draw a 2-drop I can go 2-drop -> attack + Pillage t3 -> Monstrosaur t4 but I draw 4 lands then Deathless Ancient and he's got One with the Wind. Game 2 Scoundrels -> bait his double-block and Vanquish for the 2-for-1, turn 4 Firebrand + Swashbuckling, next turn Duress to remove his trick before I swing, and he topdecks a Cancel that saves him from Lethal on Sure Strike. Game 3 goes Scoundrels -> Brute -> LRC after opp kept a hand of land+Opt+4 spells.
I think it's mostly the match-ups that allowed the Brutes to shine as I didn't really have tricks or auras, and in particular no cutlass. Same happened yesterday, I think people have finally warmed up to the idea that Cutlass is the format's single best common pick 1, and even later for half the archetypes anyway. Which is fine because with a pretty shallow format like this that means it'll shake up the draft portion and provide new challenges/decisions.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
November 04 2017 11:55 GMT
#35654
An esports cafe opened in our building.

They were doing a worlds viewing party.

We got all dressed up and went down, and they wanted us to PAY for seats.

So we went back upstairs and watched it at home.

And then the games sucked and I fell asleep during them.

Good day.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-04 17:04:49
November 04 2017 17:02 GMT
#35655
I've tried a couple times but I struggle with watching League these days. Compared to DotA 2 or Starcraft hardly anything ever dies. Then I keep getting the feeling that watching the whole game is a waste of time because the 12 minute gold lead is so predictive and, barring that, the final quarter of the game is a complete snoozefest as whoever is in the lead takes more barons/dragons until they finally have a team fight and the game suddenly ends. Definitely seems like a sleep aid.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
November 04 2017 17:36 GMT
#35656
Because the League meta is so volatile, there are times when the scene is very exciting, and times when it can be quite boring. This Worlds, with the Ardent meta and the fact that a floundering, quite boring SKT managed to beat every interesting team to make it to finals resulted in a finals I pity people for if they went to watch it somewhere not their home.

I woke up an hour and a half into the games, skipped the filler with YouTube, and had a nice short viewing. Nothing really exciting in this series, except for Faker crying, that got to me. But hey, I'm going to be temp banned for losing my bet at some point in the near future, so there's that. The bets were fun, some people messed up horrendously.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
November 04 2017 19:09 GMT
#35657
League is an incredibly punishing game that snowballs quickly. That's generally why you see less action than in Dota. Once you fall behind there's hardly any avenues to come back on and once ahead there's no need to ever take risks to secure the victory if you play it out properly.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
November 04 2017 20:12 GMT
#35658
We actually watched most of worlds because for some reason fiance really enjoys watching the games. She will watch a kennen get ganked and start yelling things like "Run stupid cat!" It's adorable.

Some of the games were really exciting, especially the quarterfinals games.

But that finals suuuuuucked.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-04 21:39:56
November 04 2017 21:36 GMT
#35659
I personally enjoyed all the games.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35154 Posts
November 04 2017 21:42 GMT
#35660
Best finals in the history of Worlds, imo.
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