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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 27 2017 05:06 WaveofShadow wrote: I just lend him my account info? Presumably his issue is with actually playing on MtGO. Otherwise he could just play the beginner phantom drafts or you just trade him the tix. On October 27 2017 07:29 Numy wrote: Yea think I'm losing all interest in Eternal again. Maybe it's just lower ranks but man gameplay just seems to derivative. And I am not surprised in the slightest, lol. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
The close fought contests feel pretty awesome though. So it's such a pity that they don't happen very often. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Honestly its the same as every other CCG. Nobody is happy and everyone just complains about everything. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
It has plenty of non-games where it just rolls people over but it's far more skill intensive to play than similar linear decks and doesn't auto-fold to hate cards and make coinflip matchups. I have a lot of respect for good Affinity players because the skill ceiling on that deck is still very high. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On October 27 2017 07:50 TheYango wrote: Don't know why you singled out Affinity. Affinity is one of the least-offensive linear decks in Modern. It has plenty of non-games where it just rolls people over but it's far more skill intensive to play than similar linear decks and doesn't auto-fold to hate cards and make coinflip matchups. I have a lot of respect for good Affinity players because the skill ceiling on that deck is still very high. I'm talking back when Affinity was in Standard and you were either playing that or Tooth and Nail because Affinity forced everything else out of the meta. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I know MTGO doesn't take much resources, but with the state my laptop is in, and the split real/virtual, I'm simply not that interested, I'd go on xmage instead (actually I'm not even sure if I can stream well, do you remember how it was when you watched me do it with Eternal through skype?). What people used to do was write down the card n° of each pick and they had a website that compiled it all. It may still exist but they don't do that anymore. I could ask, tho they'll probably forget at some point and I won't have complete data.  I did draft badly tonight. + Show Spoiler + P1P1 was between Bonded Horncrest, Fathom Fleet Firebrand, Pirate's Cutlass and some other stuff, I took the Horncrest because it's so powerful in a curve-out but in retrospective the Cutlass should have been the pick. Then pick 2 I passed Otepec Huntmaster just because I don't like dinos that much, I think I picked some Black pirate above it. At the end of pack 1 I was mostly B, with a couple U and R cards. I thought initially I might be BR but checking back on my picks late in the pick I had one blue, one red, full black, and I expected people to my left to have moved into red as I passed more of it (notably the first pack). I also regretted passing a One with the Wind mid-pack 2, but with less experienced drafters to my right I figured it might not be a signal from them, but still UB isn't as aggro as UR/BR so I'd need the evasion. G was cut very early and W dried toward the end, the other 3 had stuff, so I expected pack 2 to give me a lot of green and no red based on previous drafts. Pack 2 flowed with green, and red that was dino-specific in the beginning, but I mostly got blue... then late removal (neighbour told me "see, this is how you don't counterpicked" passing me a Contract Killing, since I'm upfront about the fact that I counterpick when given empty packs starting late pack 2). And a fairly late Deadeye Plunderers, which seemed like a reward for UB... 'cept that I didn't have many treasure-makers, and nothing to splash yet. Figured I could go UB or BR still. Pack 3 I passed a Lightning Strike for something else that consolidated me in U (maybe Siren Stormtamer?) hoping to wheel a second copy of Plunderers. I picked up a cutlass and some tempo cards in blue, nothing great aside from another Vanquish and Scoundrels in black, and Plunderers didn't wheel. I passed Tempest Caller for the Cutlass or something too? Lots of frustrating picks, I also let go of the only Siren Lookout I saw of the evening. Blue was flowing with bounce and pirate's prizes but these weren't what I needed. Nothing bomb-y for me to splash but I passed a Hoarder for Bloodletter in pack 2 and Prosperous Pirates for Run Aground in pack 3. I ended up with 12 or 13 creatures, lots of them in multiples (Stormtamers, Bloodletters, Castaways) and aside from the Plunderers all of them costed 3 or less. Only one cutlass and one skulduggery (we didn't really open many of them), 2 Vanquish, one Contract Killing, Perilous Voyage, Run Aground, some flyers, a cutlass, a Mark of the Vampire... really my ground creatures wouldn't go through anything, and barely trade, and my air force was meager. Treasure Map just in case. Sideboard had 2x Heartless Pillage, 2x Duress, Depths of Desire, that 4/6 ship, Dive Down... at least I had options (but no Opts). I probably could have moved into some kind of red dino deck, tho I correctly identified G/W cut (two GW drafters in the 3 people to my right). Across me was another UB, without my flyers, cutlass or tempo, but a better ground and soem bombs (River's Rebuke and got passed Banner). To my left I expected him to be in R after all that I passed, he turned out to be UR, but more dinos than pirates. I'd be curious to see that draft again, maybe drafting differently would have gone better but R wasn't going well for pirates and UB may not have been optimal. In the end I reached the finals mostly because my GW opponent match 1 had slow hands and still almost outraced me, then the UB mirror came down to me tempo-ing as much as possible against bears and 3/3 interlopers and the Banner by chumping and bouncing. He only drew River's Rebuke after he didn't have the mana left to cast it, but that game came down to him having U up and a Stormtamer, me 5 lands, a treasure and Treasure Map ready to flip. I needed to spend one mana to flip so even if the scry gave me a land I'd only have 8 mana and he'd counter a Blight Keeper activation for lethal; so I let him cast a removal on the Keeper, scried a land to the bottom and topdecked a removal for the Stormtamer, dealing lethal with the remaining flyers. Then in finals I got destroyed by Otepec Huntmaster hasting 3+ toughness dinos, as should be. I'm already lucky to have gotten a 2-1 with that one and it certainly came down to both match-ups and topdecks. Although for all the shit people give me about the counterpicks and sending weird signals and somehow ending in their colours, I had something like 6/42 cards outside my pair, which is pretty usual for me. There's one guy in particular who doesn't understand me passing something strong P1P1 then still ending in that colour, so it's mostly a matter of philosophy (pack 3 is mine, I'll have no qualms dumping my first pick if that colour appears wide open afterwards). That and the difficulty of getting enough playables in this format means that I'm less likely to pick something they like much more than me just to avoid them taking it as a signal, or hedging away from a semi-open colour I've passed a couple good cards into, which are things I did in AKH/HOU because you'd get 28+ playables anyway and could afford it. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
So Fire Shadow Justice decks playing him and protects and acting as super-warcries for strong weapons? Or just autoinclude that randomly gives card advantage on top of having an impossible to multiblock body? Back to MTG, just out of curiosity what are the cards you place highest for P1P1s, rares and commons (I'm not asking for uncos we all know the answer)? + Show Spoiler + Local people are up on River' Rebuke, followed by Vanquisher's Banner. As far as commons go, they'd be disappointed if they had to P1P1 a Cutlass (best common to P1P1 along with Bishop's Soldier imo). I'd consider myself not that badly served with a P1P1 Firebrand either but they don't share that at all. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Vanquisher's Banner wat hostage take best rare no contest common the hammerskull i guess, tho bishops is up there funnily i dont actually think white is all that great in the format, it just tops out with those but the real mvp p1p1 is not drafting ixalan in the first place | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Plus I haven't gotten to combo Freebooter, Deadeye Tormentor, Heartless Pillage and Arsonist to make my opponents sad. I don't mind white because vampires are decent, RW is playable and there probably is something to be done with UW when it's open. Green on the other hand... | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Cutlass is weird because I don't think it's exceptionally powerful but it's a card I expect to first pick often because it's colorless. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On October 27 2017 08:52 TheYango wrote: What's going on with Eternal is that Tavrod, Auric Broker is a stupid card. I've always been consistent of my darude hatred but even he now seems almost friendly. You can let them uptap with darude, even take a few hits from him and be fine. If you let them untap with purple dickward then you just lost the game. Then depending on which purple dickward variant you facing you also have to deal with the unblockable aegis guy somehow but if you deal with him they throw down dickward and now you fucked. So it's dammed if you do, dammed if you don't. Why is there an unblockable boggles that has a tutor effect for late game in a deck with a efficient beater that has draw on attack. It's like they just hate life. | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
He hasn't been on anything in a week now | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On October 27 2017 20:03 killerdog wrote: Are we going to have to go full manifesto to find out if scip is still alive :s He hasn't been on anything in a week now Scip may still be moving, but he's been dead inside for years. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On October 27 2017 07:50 TheYango wrote: Don't know why you singled out Affinity. Affinity is one of the least-offensive linear decks in Modern. It has plenty of non-games where it just rolls people over but it's far more skill intensive to play than similar linear decks and doesn't auto-fold to hate cards and make coinflip matchups. I have a lot of respect for good Affinity players because the skill ceiling on that deck is still very high. Affinity kind of folds to Stony silence let's be honest. Also Alaric the reason to play mtgo over xmage is because xmage drafting is fucking terrible with people dropping left and right. I just want to see what you do in a real draft environment and I don't think it's that much to ask. Although I do seem to remember you having issues screen sharing on Skype so maybe we could use Discord or something Obviously we can't force you or anything so if you really don't want to then we won't but it just means we have to sit and listen to you complain forever | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
That's partly what makes the deck pretty interesting. It has a high ceiling of skill to navigate tough situations. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Main issue atm is that we've had a bunch of non-8 pods (still over half my drafts in 8-pods, but a 6-man, a 7-man, a 9-man, a 10-man and a 12-man out of 11 drafts) because the number of available people fluctuate wildly. Now that students have spent their budget it's probably going to go down to ~8 people per day I guess tho. If it's about the skill level we've got several people who managed to day2 a limited GP a couple times, but not enough to make a pod (and while I'm probably top5 if you go by results, I'd be surprised if I day2'd a GP). The overall level has taken a nosedive around Kaladesh which is when a bunch of veterans got caught up in life things or simply lost interest. And I'd draft even worse because I don't know the people in a MTGO pod to play around their biases and card evaluations. In the end getting people to write down their picks' card n° would probably work as well as setting up something with MTGO, especially if you're adamant that some of the things I described (like fixing warping HOU drafting hard and wrecking pods on a semi-regular basis) are specific to my experience and didn't affect the format. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Sounds like they're trying to make the Overwatch spectator experience not garbage, which is great. | ||
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