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On November 09 2013 00:02 Alaric wrote:Uh, depends. Lucker (isn't that a neologism in English?) can be translated as "chanceux" (iirc "chance" is pretty neutral in English, while it has a meaning of good luck in French; en "chance" probably closer to fr "fortune"), but if you want the aggressive/ragey/frustrated undertone that'd probably be "mouleux", or very rarely "chatteux". I don't have the faintest idea why people came to associate vagina with luck (moule (mussel) and chatte (pussy) are colloquial terms for vagina). Party's annoying because it's really easy to come up with puns about it, but in French not only you can't use "partie" for a celebration, designating groups as "les parties" is only done in the juridic domain. These puns always make me sad.  The problem doesn't exactly come from the puns though, Pratchett (and even moreso Adams) don't rely on puns as much as on wording and tongue-in-cheek for their humour. I dunno for German, but a lot of English's wording simply doesn't sound natural in French: lengthening something's name with a lot of adjective quickly becomes awkward or straight-up unreadable because of determiners spam. Another thing is that French's passive form is much more convoluted than English's. Oftimes if you try to keep the original formulation you go from a long but smooth proposition to a mumbo-jumbo of words that's tedious to read and loses you to its meaning halfway through. And if you change the form to keep the nub, the way French is written you usually lose a lot of the concision and punch of the sentence. It usually lessens the impact of the satire, makes the jabs less sharp. Figuratively, when translating this kind of humour in French you tend to go from a heavyweight casually throwing punches while strolling around a smile on his face, to a barking tiny dog biting on your calves. And then you can had the puns on top of that.
AKA French translation of Lord of the ring, which is already convoluted and full of run-on sentences in English, so you can imagine the headaches you get trying to read the translated version.
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Pootie too good!4331 Posts
there is so much meat and alcohol around me. you know those commercials where African children have a ton of flies on them? I look like that right now hahaha. after a certain point you just don't give a fuck.
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United States15536 Posts
Wait why would you make me deja vu that hard?
WTF
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Haha, is JonGalt drunk or 2g 2gud?
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LotR isn't that hard to read tbh, it's mostly the first part (the lengthy and detailed description of the Shire that doesn't seem to have anything to do with the plot) that makes people give up because its like throwing an obstacle at thm before they even start racing.
The wording of the story itself isn't too "heavy" (you can look into Zola and Flaubert novels for how you can abuse the shit out of our language to kill brain cells and breed boredom), at least compared to the original version. It tends to be very straight-forward during dialogues and action scenes actually (the way dialogues are written tended to remind me of the very simplified language used in the Bible I had younger).
^ I resort to cursing in English in some situations where I find equivalents sound sharper than in French.  Prob. wouldn't if TL wasn't one my most frequented sites though, makes me practice English a bunch. Pretty much only do it when I'm alone to (so there's ironically noone to hear the difference; I guess it's to vent out better then >>).
"Fucking" has that "spit out" thing and you can just slap it anywhere so it's way easier to use. In French you'd use something like "saleté/saloperie de" (longer) or "foutu" (not that sharp of a sound) so you can't really use direct equivalents. "Son of a bitch" is more insulting in French than in English too.
When French people whine or rage in soloQ most of the time it's a combo of stfu, you're trash/shit/a piece of shit with insults like noob or fag, or whining with "normal" sentences punctuated by random "bitch" or "fag" intersped here and there. They aren't very creative.
(In case you're wondering, I rage in English with long-winded sentences explaining what's going wrong and why, calling out people without cursing at them, because I've got a niche to fill.)
He's drunk, but he can pretend it's both if he wants to lessen the blow.
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On November 09 2013 00:15 JonGalt wrote:
there is so much meat and alcohol around me. you know those commercials where African children have a ton of flies on them? I look like that right now hahaha. after a certain point you just don't give a fuck.
lol did you just doublepost 1 hour apart?
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Way to stick to your guns Alaric.
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I turned the page and thought I fat fingered the wrong number on my phone.
I hate you guys some times. Ggwp
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That would be pretty amusing to have one page completely mirrored right after. Wave would try to catch up and get super confused as we continued on the following pages :D
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I had a moment of absolute confusion (I couldn't even find the DP in his history, turns out history lists from left newest to right oldest) followed by a moment of absolute cunning
and before you ask, you know where to find the DP
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On November 09 2013 00:27 Slayer91 wrote:
I had a moment of absolute confusion (I couldn't even find the DP in his history) followed by a moment of absolute cunning
and before you ask, you know where to find the DP
You dirty bastard.
Well played.
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Baa?21245 Posts
i think 99% of the people who complain about tolkien's english don't actually know anything about it and probably don't read books and simply parrot it back cause it's the "cool" and "edgy" opinion to have
#3edgey5me
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you wouldn't like my brother who habitually skips description paragraphs
you might like another who swears by shakespeare tolkien cormac maccarthy and other literary type stuff
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Nothing's wrong with tolkien's english, the french translation of it is painful to read, or not to Alaric I guess but given how he posts on here I probably could've guessed that
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I'm that guy. I skip over description paragraphs when they start to run too long, and I don't look back. I'd never do it for Tolkien tho :F
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Saw Ender's Game. It was... well spoilers inside
+ Show Spoiler +From an entertainment standpoint, the movie was fine. Nothing special, a good blockbuster with a slightly higher than average story. The acting ranged from meh to pretty fucking good (Harrison Ford and Asa Butterfield doing fairly good jobs as expected), but the writing was kinda bland. They kept some good dialogue bits, but for the most part it felt like entire chapters were dumbed down to three-sentence shots.
Side characters were basically reduced from interesting characters to one-line buddies for Ender. Alai and Bean are the worst offenders, I would be surprised if any non-readers even remembered them. Mazer was decently done, but got way less screen time than that relationship really warrants given how it is in the book.
My biggest complaint was the pacing. I mean, I know having to condense it into a movie, but they flew from event to event with very little breathing room between. Ender comes to school, is promoted in basically the third scene, then wins a single game and gets command.
It's not the time that it takes, it's that there's no sense of time between. No montage shots of games being played, no signs of time wearing on Ender, just the occasional letter to Valentine saying "it's been months" with no actual signs of that being true. It makes the whole thing really annoying because it feels like he basically does the whole thing in 2 months tops when it's supposed to take a few years for him to even get through Battle School iirc.
It was one of those movies where I didn't regret spending my money, but I also don't think I'd repeat the experience if given the chance. It wasn't a butchery of the books, it was just as decent as they could get it while fitting it into a 2 hour movie. Dumbed down, thinned out, but Ender's arc is there and that's what they were trying to tell.
@Cheep, your criticism of the dumbed down characters is perfectly accurate, but honestly it didn't bother me as much because I was expecting it. However, I agree that it makes Ender a less interesting character because, like you said, he's characterized by how he treats the people around him and how he is shaped by them and shapes them himself.
This is Ender's Game Zero, Ender's Game Lite. Most of the story, none of the flavor or calories. I didn't feel offended watching it, just... disappointed. I knew it was almost unfilmable in the way they were trying to make it.
The way it should have been done would have been to split it into two movies, so they could have drawn out Battle School (which is indeed the majority of the book) and given more life to the other characters. Movie one ending when he gets Dragon, movie two about the end of his time there and then Command School.
The tendency for Hollywood to smash adaptations into bite sized 2 hour versions is what gives book-to-movie adaptations a bad rap. If all movies were given the same length and loving attention that, say, LotR was given, you'd have book readers lining the streets to see their favorite works on the big screen. Instead, you just get lazy cash-grabs that rip the heart out of the story while keeping the plot in place and then try to call it a day.
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On November 09 2013 00:40 Requizen wrote:Saw Ender's Game. It was... well spoilers inside + Show Spoiler +From an entertainment standpoint, the movie was fine. Nothing special, a good blockbuster with a slightly higher than average story. The acting ranged from meh to pretty fucking good (Harrison Ford and Asa Butterfield doing fairly good jobs as expected), but the writing was kinda bland. They kept some good dialogue bits, but for the most part it felt like entire chapters were dumbed down to three-sentence shots.
Side characters were basically reduced from interesting characters to one-line buddies for Ender. Alai and Bean are the worst offenders, I would be surprised if any non-readers even remembered them. Mazer was decently done, but got way less screen time than that relationship really warrants given how it is in the book.
My biggest complaint was the pacing. I mean, I know having to condense it into a movie, but they flew from event to event with very little breathing room between. Ender comes to school, is promoted in basically the third scene, then wins a single game and gets command.
It's not the time that it takes, it's that there's no sense of time between. No montage shots of games being played, no signs of time wearing on Ender, just the occasional letter to Valentine saying "it's been months" with no actual signs of that being true. It makes the whole thing really annoying because it feels like he basically does the whole thing in 2 months tops when it's supposed to take a few years for him to even get through Battle School iirc.
It was one of those movies where I didn't regret spending my money, but I also don't think I'd repeat the experience if given the chance. It wasn't a butchery of the books, it was just as decent as they could get it while fitting it into a 2 hour movie. Dumbed down, thinned out, but Ender's arc is there and that's what they were trying to tell.
@Cheep, your criticism of the dumbed down characters is perfectly accurate, but honestly it didn't bother me as much because I was expecting it. However, I agree that it makes Ender a less interesting character because, like you said, he's characterized by how he treats the people around him and how he is shaped by them and shapes them himself. This is Ender's Game Zero, Ender's Game Lite. Most of the story, none of the flavor or calories. I didn't feel offended watching it, just... disappointed. I knew it was almost unfilmable in the way they were trying to make it. The way it should have been done would have been to split it into two movies, so they could have drawn out Battle School (which is indeed the majority of the book) and given more life to the other characters. Movie one ending when he gets Dragon, movie two about the end of his time there and then Command School. The tendency for Hollywood to smash adaptations into bite sized 2 hour versions is what gives book-to-movie adaptations a bad rap. If all movies were given the same length and loving attention that, say, LotR was given, you'd have book readers lining the streets to see their favorite works on the big screen. Instead, you just get lazy cash-grabs that rip the heart out of the story while keeping the plot in place and then try to call it a day.
As with many movies, I'll state that a far better job could likely have been done if it were an HBO miniseries. Many many things fall under this category.
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Baa?21245 Posts
the david lynch dune movie was an unmitigated the disaster, but the 6 episode miniseries adaptation of dune + dune messiah + children of dune was, in my opinion, actually pretty good.
like you dont even need some huge series, a solid 3 hours per book is enough (stick another hour if it's a huge book like dune), instead hollywood gives us barely 100 minutes ~_~
i agree req, as i said in my post, a 2 movie setup would've probably been perfect.
when lord of the rings adaptations came out i was really happy cause i thought it might herald an era of good book to movie adaptatations, but the past few years have dashed those hopes qq
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On November 09 2013 00:42 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2013 00:40 Requizen wrote:Saw Ender's Game. It was... well spoilers inside + Show Spoiler +From an entertainment standpoint, the movie was fine. Nothing special, a good blockbuster with a slightly higher than average story. The acting ranged from meh to pretty fucking good (Harrison Ford and Asa Butterfield doing fairly good jobs as expected), but the writing was kinda bland. They kept some good dialogue bits, but for the most part it felt like entire chapters were dumbed down to three-sentence shots.
Side characters were basically reduced from interesting characters to one-line buddies for Ender. Alai and Bean are the worst offenders, I would be surprised if any non-readers even remembered them. Mazer was decently done, but got way less screen time than that relationship really warrants given how it is in the book.
My biggest complaint was the pacing. I mean, I know having to condense it into a movie, but they flew from event to event with very little breathing room between. Ender comes to school, is promoted in basically the third scene, then wins a single game and gets command.
It's not the time that it takes, it's that there's no sense of time between. No montage shots of games being played, no signs of time wearing on Ender, just the occasional letter to Valentine saying "it's been months" with no actual signs of that being true. It makes the whole thing really annoying because it feels like he basically does the whole thing in 2 months tops when it's supposed to take a few years for him to even get through Battle School iirc.
It was one of those movies where I didn't regret spending my money, but I also don't think I'd repeat the experience if given the chance. It wasn't a butchery of the books, it was just as decent as they could get it while fitting it into a 2 hour movie. Dumbed down, thinned out, but Ender's arc is there and that's what they were trying to tell.
@Cheep, your criticism of the dumbed down characters is perfectly accurate, but honestly it didn't bother me as much because I was expecting it. However, I agree that it makes Ender a less interesting character because, like you said, he's characterized by how he treats the people around him and how he is shaped by them and shapes them himself. This is Ender's Game Zero, Ender's Game Lite. Most of the story, none of the flavor or calories. I didn't feel offended watching it, just... disappointed. I knew it was almost unfilmable in the way they were trying to make it. The way it should have been done would have been to split it into two movies, so they could have drawn out Battle School (which is indeed the majority of the book) and given more life to the other characters. Movie one ending when he gets Dragon, movie two about the end of his time there and then Command School. The tendency for Hollywood to smash adaptations into bite sized 2 hour versions is what gives book-to-movie adaptations a bad rap. If all movies were given the same length and loving attention that, say, LotR was given, you'd have book readers lining the streets to see their favorite works on the big screen. Instead, you just get lazy cash-grabs that rip the heart out of the story while keeping the plot in place and then try to call it a day. As with many movies, I'll state that a far better job could likely have been done if it were an HBO miniseries. Many many things fall under this category.
Well... there are certain books that should. Ender's Game maybe. It couldn't be a full fledged show like GoT, but it could potentially be one or two seasons worth.
All I want out of life is a serial of Dresden Files that follows the story instead of the bastardization of the SyFy version.
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