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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-08 17:54:05
June 08 2015 17:53 GMT
#103161
On June 09 2015 02:51 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 02:17 TheYango wrote:
On June 09 2015 01:53 Seuss wrote:
Sonic Adventure was actually very well received initially. The problem wasn't the direction, it was the floundering that followed. It's very easy for an established franchise that's doing well to take a misstep, lose it's balance, and enter a death spiral of increasingly desperate and ill-conceived attempts to right itself. This is especially true when it's in new hands.

The death of Sonic happened well before the release of Sonic Adventure. The inability for Sega to release a good flagship Sonic title for the Sega Saturn contributed to the loss of faith in Sega as a whole, both for their consoles, as well as for Sonic.

Sonic Adventure/Adventure 2 were the last ditch effort to keep Sega's grip on the console market alive. They're generally well received, but as a whole, fan impressions of Sega were already shot with the successive failures of both the Sega 32x and the Sega Saturn, compounded with the lack of a good Sonic game.


That fair, but I don't think it diminishes what I'm trying to say. Sonic's death spiral, whatever the exact form and details, is unique only in the same sense as snowflakes are unique. There is still a pattern, other franchises have followed it in the past, and there's nothing that indicates any franchise (let alone Megaman) is immune to its effects.

I understand what you're saying, but if you consider the fact that Sonic still isn't 'dead' even though bomb after bomb continues to be released, the chances of it happening to Megaman are slim to nil.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21245 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-08 17:57:02
June 08 2015 17:56 GMT
#103162
On June 09 2015 02:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 02:33 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On June 09 2015 02:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 09 2015 02:19 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On June 09 2015 02:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'd like to think I could perform a routine pretty easily if someone wrote the material for me.


"I can do this job if someone did the majority of the hard work for me."

I'm not sure how you think written material is all there is to performance.


I said majority not entirety didn't I?

I know being smug is kinda your thing and all, but you're really minimizing and belittling the effort anyone puts forth into a routine when performance doesn't come naturally to them. This includes acting as well---I don't think the majority of the hard work in acting is the writing of the screenplay otherwise everybody would pull off a flawless King Lear.


I think if you asked established comics what the most important and difficult part of the job is, most if not all would say writing. That's why comics make a big deal of material theft, both real and perceived.
TranslatorBaa!
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
June 08 2015 17:56 GMT
#103163
On June 09 2015 02:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 02:51 Seuss wrote:
On June 09 2015 02:17 TheYango wrote:
On June 09 2015 01:53 Seuss wrote:
Sonic Adventure was actually very well received initially. The problem wasn't the direction, it was the floundering that followed. It's very easy for an established franchise that's doing well to take a misstep, lose it's balance, and enter a death spiral of increasingly desperate and ill-conceived attempts to right itself. This is especially true when it's in new hands.

The death of Sonic happened well before the release of Sonic Adventure. The inability for Sega to release a good flagship Sonic title for the Sega Saturn contributed to the loss of faith in Sega as a whole, both for their consoles, as well as for Sonic.

Sonic Adventure/Adventure 2 were the last ditch effort to keep Sega's grip on the console market alive. They're generally well received, but as a whole, fan impressions of Sega were already shot with the successive failures of both the Sega 32x and the Sega Saturn, compounded with the lack of a good Sonic game.


That fair, but I don't think it diminishes what I'm trying to say. Sonic's death spiral, whatever the exact form and details, is unique only in the same sense as snowflakes are unique. There is still a pattern, other franchises have followed it in the past, and there's nothing that indicates any franchise (let alone Megaman) is immune to its effects.

I understand what you're saying, but if you consider the fact that Sonic still isn't 'dead' even though bomb after bomb continues to be released, the chances of it happening to Megaman are slim to nil.


I wasn't arguing that Megaman would die, just that it would end up in the same place Sonic is. I realize my use of the term "death-spiral" may have been misleading.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
June 08 2015 17:57 GMT
#103164
On June 09 2015 02:50 TheYango wrote:
IDK I hate touch screen controls for most action games.

That's exactly why i wanna emulate it on PC and not my phone, although the thought did cross my mind.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 08 2015 18:00 GMT
#103165
On June 09 2015 02:56 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 02:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 09 2015 02:33 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On June 09 2015 02:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 09 2015 02:19 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On June 09 2015 02:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'd like to think I could perform a routine pretty easily if someone wrote the material for me.


"I can do this job if someone did the majority of the hard work for me."

I'm not sure how you think written material is all there is to performance.


I said majority not entirety didn't I?

I know being smug is kinda your thing and all, but you're really minimizing and belittling the effort anyone puts forth into a routine when performance doesn't come naturally to them. This includes acting as well---I don't think the majority of the hard work in acting is the writing of the screenplay otherwise everybody would pull off a flawless King Lear.


I think if you asked established comics what the most important and difficult part of the job is, most if not all would say writing. That's why comics make a big deal of material theft, both real and perceived.


I agree with you, but I would also say that for entry level, performance ability is as important, if not more important, as the material. You can have shit material with amazing delivery and do really well (one immediately example of Norm Macdonald comes to mind), but if you have shit performance skills, it doesn't matter what your material is. Early on, you want people to enjoy your performance so they stay engaged, even if your material isn't 100% on point.

They do go hand in hand though, obviously, and in the long run, material creation is paramount to continued success.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-08 18:03:48
June 08 2015 18:02 GMT
#103166
On June 09 2015 02:56 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 02:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 09 2015 02:33 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On June 09 2015 02:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 09 2015 02:19 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On June 09 2015 02:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'd like to think I could perform a routine pretty easily if someone wrote the material for me.


"I can do this job if someone did the majority of the hard work for me."

I'm not sure how you think written material is all there is to performance.


I said majority not entirety didn't I?

I know being smug is kinda your thing and all, but you're really minimizing and belittling the effort anyone puts forth into a routine when performance doesn't come naturally to them. This includes acting as well---I don't think the majority of the hard work in acting is the writing of the screenplay otherwise everybody would pull off a flawless King Lear.


I think if you asked established comics what the most important and difficult part of the job is, most if not all would say writing. That's why comics make a big deal of material theft, both real and perceived.

That may very well be true, but I doubt it's necessarily the case for start-up or amateur comics which is who we're primarily referring to here, never mind established comedians who do standup like Robin Williams for example whose performance was everything. Consider early Eddie Murphy as well. Nobody could pull off a performance like he did in Delirious, hilarious material or not. Rowan Atkinson is another.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Sunaj
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada2041 Posts
June 08 2015 18:08 GMT
#103167
On June 09 2015 00:45 Crusnik wrote:
Wasn't the last decent new IP from Capcom Dragon's Dogma and the expansion dark arisen?


Man Dragon's Dogma was so good *and so bad at the same time, but fuck if I didn't love the fuck out of the game*
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
June 08 2015 18:12 GMT
#103168
Scip, it's finally over. 350 word vocab test is done at last.

One more final~
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
June 08 2015 18:16 GMT
#103169
napping in car for lunch is the best lunch. Quickly becoming a monday staple of mine.
my eye wont stop twitching today.
happy monday.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 08 2015 18:20 GMT
#103170
On June 09 2015 03:16 ComaDose wrote:
napping in car for lunch is the best lunch. Quickly becoming a monday staple of mine.
my eye wont stop twitching today.
happy monday.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myokymia
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 08 2015 18:25 GMT
#103171
On June 09 2015 03:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 03:16 ComaDose wrote:
napping in car for lunch is the best lunch. Quickly becoming a monday staple of mine.
my eye wont stop twitching today.
happy monday.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myokymia


Causes
Frequent contributing factors include: too much caffeine, high levels of anxiety, fatigue, stress, overwork, overexposure to computer/television monitors, and a lack of sleep. Use of certain drugs or alcohol may also be factors.


Hmm, I can't think of a single one of these things that affects me...

About a month ago, I had several muscles twitching for like a week. I also found my way to this wiki page.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 08 2015 18:27 GMT
#103172
On June 09 2015 03:25 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 03:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 09 2015 03:16 ComaDose wrote:
napping in car for lunch is the best lunch. Quickly becoming a monday staple of mine.
my eye wont stop twitching today.
happy monday.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myokymia


Show nested quote +
Causes
Frequent contributing factors include: too much caffeine, high levels of anxiety, fatigue, stress, overwork, overexposure to computer/television monitors, and a lack of sleep. Use of certain drugs or alcohol may also be factors.


Hmm, I can't think of a single one of these things that affects me...

About a month ago, I had several muscles twitching for like a week. I also found my way to this wiki page.

Didn't I just tell you about your damn monster yesterday?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
June 08 2015 18:28 GMT
#103173
Guys, what should I eat for lunch today? Costco or Subways
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 08 2015 18:30 GMT
#103174
On June 09 2015 03:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 03:25 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On June 09 2015 03:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 09 2015 03:16 ComaDose wrote:
napping in car for lunch is the best lunch. Quickly becoming a monday staple of mine.
my eye wont stop twitching today.
happy monday.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myokymia


Causes
Frequent contributing factors include: too much caffeine, high levels of anxiety, fatigue, stress, overwork, overexposure to computer/television monitors, and a lack of sleep. Use of certain drugs or alcohol may also be factors.


Hmm, I can't think of a single one of these things that affects me...

About a month ago, I had several muscles twitching for like a week. I also found my way to this wiki page.

Didn't I just tell you about your damn monster yesterday?


And as I told you

1 - I'm well aware of how terrible Monster is for me

2 - I don't consume many terrible things, I'm decently healthy about food/drink for the most part
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
June 08 2015 18:32 GMT
#103175
On June 09 2015 03:30 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 03:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 09 2015 03:25 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On June 09 2015 03:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 09 2015 03:16 ComaDose wrote:
napping in car for lunch is the best lunch. Quickly becoming a monday staple of mine.
my eye wont stop twitching today.
happy monday.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myokymia


Causes
Frequent contributing factors include: too much caffeine, high levels of anxiety, fatigue, stress, overwork, overexposure to computer/television monitors, and a lack of sleep. Use of certain drugs or alcohol may also be factors.


Hmm, I can't think of a single one of these things that affects me...

About a month ago, I had several muscles twitching for like a week. I also found my way to this wiki page.

Didn't I just tell you about your damn monster yesterday?


And as I told you

1 - I'm well aware of how terrible Monster is for me

2 - I don't consume many terrible things, I'm decently healthy about food/drink for the most part

1 and 2 seems EVER SO SLIGHTLY contradictory but maybe my euro logic just isn't up to par here
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 08 2015 18:33 GMT
#103176
On June 09 2015 03:32 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 03:30 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On June 09 2015 03:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 09 2015 03:25 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On June 09 2015 03:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 09 2015 03:16 ComaDose wrote:
napping in car for lunch is the best lunch. Quickly becoming a monday staple of mine.
my eye wont stop twitching today.
happy monday.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myokymia


Causes
Frequent contributing factors include: too much caffeine, high levels of anxiety, fatigue, stress, overwork, overexposure to computer/television monitors, and a lack of sleep. Use of certain drugs or alcohol may also be factors.


Hmm, I can't think of a single one of these things that affects me...

About a month ago, I had several muscles twitching for like a week. I also found my way to this wiki page.

Didn't I just tell you about your damn monster yesterday?


And as I told you

1 - I'm well aware of how terrible Monster is for me

2 - I don't consume many terrible things, I'm decently healthy about food/drink for the most part

1 and 2 seems EVER SO SLIGHTLY contradictory but maybe my euro logic just isn't up to par here


If some doctors are men, and all men have penises, does it follow that all doctors have penises?
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21245 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-08 18:34:58
June 08 2015 18:34 GMT
#103177
On June 09 2015 03:32 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 03:30 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On June 09 2015 03:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 09 2015 03:25 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On June 09 2015 03:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 09 2015 03:16 ComaDose wrote:
napping in car for lunch is the best lunch. Quickly becoming a monday staple of mine.
my eye wont stop twitching today.
happy monday.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myokymia


Causes
Frequent contributing factors include: too much caffeine, high levels of anxiety, fatigue, stress, overwork, overexposure to computer/television monitors, and a lack of sleep. Use of certain drugs or alcohol may also be factors.


Hmm, I can't think of a single one of these things that affects me...

About a month ago, I had several muscles twitching for like a week. I also found my way to this wiki page.

Didn't I just tell you about your damn monster yesterday?


And as I told you

1 - I'm well aware of how terrible Monster is for me

2 - I don't consume many terrible things, I'm decently healthy about food/drink for the most part

1 and 2 seems EVER SO SLIGHTLY contradictory but maybe my euro logic just isn't up to par here


You think you're being clever and cute with your obviously insincere self-deprecating comment, so imagine the shame you must feel when you realize that your euro logic is actually just not up to par here.

He doesn't eat/drink many terrible things, so he can afford some allowances of terrible things without keeling over and dying. In this case, Monster.
TranslatorBaa!
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 08 2015 18:38 GMT
#103178
I dunno Scip is pretty clever and cute
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-08 18:40:32
June 08 2015 18:40 GMT
#103179
I don't always drink terribly unhealthy things, but when I do, I prefer Monster. -Soniv 2013-2015 RIP
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
June 08 2015 18:41 GMT
#103180
On June 09 2015 03:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
I dunno Scip is pretty clever and cute

You're not wrong.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
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