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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On May 20 2015 02:48 Slayer91 wrote: apparently its not about the rape its just that it was actually depicted on screen? I guess its about trigger warnings or something? i dont even Dany got raped on her wedding night on screen in literally the second episode of the show tho. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23448 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On May 20 2015 02:49 Scip wrote: idk, most rape I've seen depicted has been romanticized beyond belief, but maybe that's just me. Ye that's what I mean. If they depicted it as violent and terrible as it is a lot of the time instead of romanticizing it. + Show Spoiler + Anyway I read that rant on that site and largely get where they coming from. Sure they going on a little too hard about the whole rape thing but I understand the whole "this doesn't make sense for Sansa's character arc" because well it doesn't. They doing their own thing then still trying to force certain scenes that now no longer make sense to have. The scene in the book isn't about Jeyne, it's about how emotionally destroyed Theon is. That's why it's just some nobody that we haven't really seen much of on the receiving end. Putting in Sansa who now has gone through all this other character progression just doesn't make sense. I do laugh about the trigger warnings. How have you been watching the show then? | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Because as far as I remember sansa didn't do jack shit in kings landing. She cried a lot, didn't get raped by Geoffrey because she lucked out in not being needed as a political object after Robb's rebellion, then didn't get raped by tyrion because he's a good person, then got kidnapped by littlefinger after being accused of killing Geoffrey when she had nothing to do with it. So she basically cried a lot, was objectified, and either lucked out or was saved by men over and over. Now the show made a clear point of indicating that it was her choice to marry ramsey, the first time in the whole show she's really made a choice to do anything. And yet this isn't furthering the sansa character somehow. To me, it's setting her up to have the position of the empowered female who survives shitty options and comes out on top that that blog apparently wants her to be in the first place. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On May 20 2015 02:55 Numy wrote: Ye that's what I mean. If they depicted it as violent and terrible as it is a lot of the time instead of romanticizing it. + Show Spoiler + Anyway I read that rant on that site and largely get where they coming from. Sure they going on a little too hard about the whole rape thing but I understand the whole "this doesn't make sense for Sansa's character arc" because well it doesn't. They doing their own thing then still trying to force certain scenes that now no longer make sense to have. The scene in the book isn't about Jeyne, it's about how emotionally destroyed Theon is. That's why it's just some nobody that we haven't really seen much of on the receiving end. Putting in Sansa who now has gone through all this other character progression just doesn't make sense. I do laugh about the trigger warnings. How have you been watching the show then? + Show Spoiler + Well, that's certainly true. The only reason it doesn't belong in Sansa's story arch is because it wasn't Sansa's story arch. But they're now working with what they've got. Theon is destroyed, Sansa stood strong against Miranda, and let's be serious, she knows how terrible Ramsay is. She chose to get married to him in spite of this (I could see the argument for illusion of choice - what if she denied Baelish's plan, what of the implication), she knows this is going to happen. edit - yeah, they cut out a LOT of the Vale stuff. I was curious where they would go with it. I'm so sad there's no Lady Stoneheart story. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Maybe the second, the first was prob lying for little finger at the eerie. Honestly I thought sansa was a boring one dimensional character for the longest time and after the last couple episodes I think she's amazing and interesting and I'm excited to see if she's able to get some sort of revenge. And I don't want us to be spoilering this anymore spoilering posts on my phone is hard  | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
Ah man cutting the vale out wtf. So they basically took all she progresses out of the vale and shoved it into the Reek arc instead? That sucks :<. I really enjoyed the Reek arc mainly because I could feel how hard it was for him to become Theon again. Would be cool if they used a different actor for Reek then every time he starts thinking like Theon it blurs a bit to Theon actor until finally he becomes Theon again. Oh well, I had a fear after I watched the first season that they would decide to stop adapting the books half way through. Even though I don't think they that amazing, it would still be cool to see a FMA:B or HxH style reboot after they done. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On May 20 2015 03:22 Numy wrote: + Show Spoiler + Ah man cutting the vale out wtf. So they basically took all she progresses out of the vale and shoved it into the Reek arc instead? That sucks :<. I really enjoyed the Reek arc mainly because I could feel how hard it was for him to become Theon again. Would be cool if they used a different actor for Reek then every time he starts thinking like Theon it blurs a bit to Theon actor until finally he becomes Theon again. Oh well, I had a fear after I watched the first season that they would decide to stop adapting the books half way through. Even though I don't think they that amazing, it would still be cool to see a FMA:B or HxH style reboot after they done. There's too much superfluous crap and characters for a 1 to 1 rendition, imo. This is fine, if you want the books read the books. Personally, I'm fine with less Dorne and less "Dany shits the bed all across Essos". | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On May 20 2015 03:35 Ketara wrote: Somebody tell me what stuff from the books in the eerie got left out. I don't mind getting book spoilers. lots of boring crap | ||
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eieio
United States14512 Posts
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On May 20 2015 03:35 Requizen wrote: There's too much superfluous crap and characters for a 1 to 1 rendition, imo. This is fine, if you want the books read the books. Personally, I'm fine with less Dorne and less "Dany shits the bed all across Essos". What if I want a visual rendition of the books? I never got this. Sure I can appreciate the show as it's own entity but that doesn't mean I still can't want a proper rendition. That argument is so silly. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Kind of like sansa wanting a decent life lol #postingliketeutonica | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 20 2015 02:49 jcarlsoniv wrote: Then they're watching the wrong show. If they didn't learn at the end of Season 1 or the Red Wedding that no character is sacred, then they should have stopped watching long ago. Because of the structure of the show, the Starks feel like the "main" characters, and thus should be immune to terrible things. Same goes for the Lannisters - sure they're painted to be evil, but they're "main" characters, and people freaked out at the Jaime/Cersei scene as well. You're supposed to feel crap for Sansa. That's a terrible situation for her to be in, and that is the correct response. But to get up in arms because of it is absurd. These same people don't freak out nearly as much when it's mentioned that the khalasars rape and pillage their way through the sheepmen. Or maybe they do, I don't know. It just seems silly. I'm not even saying to paint it in the light of "oh well it was worse in the books". I'm saying "These are the things that happen in the story. You're not forced to like it or consume the media." They're more than welcome to stop watching, that's entirely their prerogative (woah that word is spelled weird). rape in fantasy novels set in fictional medieval times should be of no surprise to anyone. lol. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On May 20 2015 03:42 Ketara wrote: I mean, you can want it but you're not going to get it. Kind of like sansa wanting a decent life lol #postingliketeutonica Rofl aye. Much like I'll never get a faithful Malazan adaption in any medium. A boy can dream though can't he? I still hold out for a gritty anime adaption of it. Chiwa Saito as Tavore hnngggg. Chain of Dogs animated would just be so emotional. | ||
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Crusnik
United States5378 Posts
On May 20 2015 03:44 Numy wrote: Rofl aye. Much like I'll never get a faithful Malazan adaption in any medium. A boy can dream though can't he? I still hold out for a gritty anima adaption of it. Chiwa Saito as Tavore hnngggg. Chain of Dogs animated would just be so emotional. Dreams set in fantasy only lead to pain and suffering. TL staff is doing a lot recently, Wax was on the ESL panel recently iirc and now Heyoka is doing stuff with Dream league for dots. Yet still no TL team | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
+5 AFFC and ADWD is a slog. They cut out so much unnecessary crap in the show holy shit. | ||
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
got never goes with well for starks. At this rate the best you can hope for her is that she does get knocked up by Ramsey so that she becomes useful to them. After she has the kid? More than like is gotten rid of. | ||
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