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Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
September 06 2013 22:00 GMT
#841
On September 07 2013 05:15 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 03:21 kainzero wrote:
On September 07 2013 03:05 Osmoses wrote:
GOD DAMNIT PEOPLE Hearthstone isn't even a trading card game! It's a simulation of a trading card game, like a picture of a turd, without the possible benefits! No unit models, no cool attack animations, it's final fantasy 1 with shittier graphics!

Stop liking it right now!

Hey, I like Final Fantasy 1.

Except for ineffectives on overkills.
But still.

The remakes fix that.

FF1 remake was the best ever. Gilgamesh everywhere!
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 06 2013 22:07 GMT
#842
On September 07 2013 06:03 kainzero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 05:49 UniversalSnip wrote:
what is ineffective on overkill?

Combat is done in rounds, like Dragon Quest.

If two party members attack one enemy, and the first party member kills the enemy, in all modern games the second party member will automatically target a new enemy.

In these old games, the second party member will whiff and strike air, and in Final Fantasy 1, a message of "Ineffective" will appear. It wasn't fixed until the Japanese version of Final Fantasy 3, and in Dragon Quest it remained until Dragon Quest 4.

In Golden Sun in case of overkill your character just assumes a defensive position for the rest of the turn (legit action, although I've never had to use it on purpose, esp. since if I want to protect someone damage reducing Djinns have highest priority, and the healers in the gam are pretty fast anyway).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
September 06 2013 22:12 GMT
#843
yeah let's be honest in golden sun 2 if you need defense you just set two party members to alternate between Flash and Shade while your guy with sol blade and 100% crit chance just kills everything
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
September 06 2013 22:12 GMT
#844
On September 07 2013 07:00 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 05:15 TheYango wrote:
On September 07 2013 03:21 kainzero wrote:
On September 07 2013 03:05 Osmoses wrote:
GOD DAMNIT PEOPLE Hearthstone isn't even a trading card game! It's a simulation of a trading card game, like a picture of a turd, without the possible benefits! No unit models, no cool attack animations, it's final fantasy 1 with shittier graphics!

Stop liking it right now!

Hey, I like Final Fantasy 1.

Except for ineffectives on overkills.
But still.

The remakes fix that.

FF1 remake was the best ever. Gilgamesh everywhere!

Yeah but MP system plus other balance changes made the game ridiculously easy.

My favorite remake is probably the Wonderswan Color version, it's the same as the PSX version but no loading times.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
September 06 2013 22:14 GMT
#845
My friend tried playing FF1 on gba with only thieves, and got stuck at one boss because thieves aren't really that awesome. Kinda need a white mage imoimo, those Heal spells are too powerful.
Or maybe he was just bad because he was like 8 at the time.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-06 22:25:30
September 06 2013 22:22 GMT
#846
I mean it's probably possible but Thieves do suck dick in ff1, only reason to even run a Theif is Ninjas are cool.

Blackbelt/Master pretty much blows everything else away

Master + Whitemage could probly duo the entire game, haste on Master in the later levels one shots most bosses.
(haste in ff1 increased hits per round not how often it was your turn)
Carrilord has arrived.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-06 22:26:51
September 06 2013 22:26 GMT
#847
white mage can't cast haste
black mage, red mage or a ninja can, but white mage can not.

There was a spell Temper? I think, that doubled your damage too? or maybe I am confusing it with something.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-06 22:28:42
September 06 2013 22:27 GMT
#848
On September 07 2013 07:12 Tooplark wrote:
yeah let's be honest in golden sun 2 if you need defense you just set two party members to alternate between Flash and Shade while your guy with sol blade and 100% crit chance just kills everything

This actually kind of bothered me about GS--eventually unleashes and attack Psynergy outscale spell Psynergies because spells scale off Elemental Power and unleashes/attack Psynergies scale linearly with your Attack stat (and in the case of the best weapons--Sol Blade, Excalibur, Tisiphone Edge, the scaling was better than 1:1). Your Attack Stat goes up as you level up, while Elemental Power only goes up based on the Djinn you have (and the classes that actually stack enough of one Djinn type to boost that element's power significantly tended to suck).

Of course, this is kind of just secondary to Summons being OP as fuck.

On September 07 2013 07:26 Scip wrote:
white mage can't cast haste
black mage, red mage or a ninja can, but white mage can not.

There was a spell Temper? I think, that doubled your damage too? or maybe I am confusing it with something.

in FF1, Temper raises your attack by a fixed value, so its not that good by late game (or in the NES version its bugged and does nothing).
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-06 22:30:22
September 06 2013 22:28 GMT
#849
On September 07 2013 07:26 Scip wrote:
white mage can't cast haste
black mage, red mage or a ninja can, but white mage can not.

There was a spell Temper? I think, that doubled your damage too? or maybe I am confusing it with something.


it's been 20 years give me a break lol

if Temper exists it might work, but it's not needed, I can confirm Choas 1 shot with 1 master hasted. (I've only ever played the original NA cart version)
Carrilord has arrived.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-06 22:36:11
September 06 2013 22:31 GMT
#850
On September 07 2013 07:12 Tooplark wrote:
yeah let's be honest in golden sun 2 if you need defense you just set two party members to alternate between Flash and Shade while your guy with sol blade and 100% crit chance just kills everything

Shade beats Granite? Never looked into it too much (Flash #1 though).

That's really the biggest problem with GS' otherwise really good class system: psynergies don't deal enough damage compared to Djinns to be worth it, and their utility is very limited too, esp. as most don't work against bosses, while if you need defenses you can just spam low level summons to get elemental resistances.
If psynergies were really worth it, you would have had more liberties to mix and match Djinns between party members to get fancy hybrid classes and use them, rather than not dare to use a Djinn or a summon because putting one into wait state or have it reattach itself after rest (dunno the English term, the yellow state they're in after being summoned) would fuck up your class, thus depriving yourself of the most effective/powerful tools of the game ('cept sol blade, that thing was pretty dumb when thinking back about it).

Edit: I'd still cast Odysseus or stuff like that because it was cool as fuck and super beautiful at the time, and other spells like Meteor Leap or Skull-Cracker (something like that, French name was literally Crack-Helmet) because the animations were goofy.
The class you get by equipping the playing card had pretty funky spells too in GS 2.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
September 06 2013 22:46 GMT
#851
If it's the FF1 GBA version then thieves are actually quite good. Not like the NES version where they suck and their one saving grace of being able to run... is actually bugged so it doesn't help at all.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
September 06 2013 22:57 GMT
#852
Master is so fucking broken on the NES version it's not even funny, his ability to get multiple hits per turn seems to have no diminishing returns as you gain levels, so he actually scales faster than the monsters as you approach the end of the game.

I don't know if they ever updated it in the many remakes but I've gotten upwards of 4k damage in one turn (the final boss on the NES cart has 2k)

this is all based on memory, and pre-internet trial and error gaming, but It's somewhat accurate.
Carrilord has arrived.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
September 06 2013 22:57 GMT
#853
I went with 3 black mages and a monk for my playthrough of the FF1 remake after I realized it existed. Haste everything all the time.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 06 2013 23:09 GMT
#854
So Neo when are you hookin' me up with a Hearthstone Key?
I can get you into Dawngate!
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Pooshlmer
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1001 Posts
September 06 2013 23:13 GMT
#855
You can solo FF1 with any character, actually.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
September 06 2013 23:31 GMT
#856
I just wanted into the classroom 5 minutes ago after searching for it a long time, I was clearly very late, and the room was dark and silent because everyone was watching a film. I decided to prove that my years of being antisocial were not a waste, and tried to ninja my way to my seat in the back of the room without breaking the silence of the room. It was full of upperclassmen, btw. No pressure. So I silently get to my seat no problem, and I wipe a bit of sweat off of my brow as I make it quietly. And then proceed to knock over my stool, and a huge metal crash completely breaks the silent tension and I basically die.
GO TEAM
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 06 2013 23:32 GMT
#857
Well. I'm in oahu for the next couple of days, any suggestions as what to do?
liftlift > tsm
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
September 06 2013 23:48 GMT
#858
On September 07 2013 08:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
So Neo when are you hookin' me up with a Hearthstone Key?
I can get you into Dawngate!

I think Hearthstone wins
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
September 06 2013 23:53 GMT
#859
On September 07 2013 08:32 wei2coolman wrote:
Well. I'm in oahu for the next couple of days, any suggestions as what to do?

Sleep outside m8
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
September 07 2013 00:02 GMT
#860
On September 07 2013 08:31 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I just wanted into the classroom 5 minutes ago after searching for it a long time, I was clearly very late, and the room was dark and silent because everyone was watching a film. I decided to prove that my years of being antisocial were not a waste, and tried to ninja my way to my seat in the back of the room without breaking the silence of the room. It was full of upperclassmen, btw. No pressure. So I silently get to my seat no problem, and I wipe a bit of sweat off of my brow as I make it quietly. And then proceed to knock over my stool, and a huge metal crash completely breaks the silent tension and I basically die.
GO TEAM


Did you play it off as if you meant to do it?
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