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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 22 2013 19:45 GMT
#7181
On October 23 2013 04:39 Osmoses wrote:
Shitty code is shitty, no matter the platform.

Do you think the platform has anyway to do with the implementation or how it was implememted? Like restrictions in what coders can do? Etc etc?
liftlift > tsm
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
October 22 2013 19:48 GMT
#7182
On October 23 2013 04:31 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2013 04:27 xes wrote:
On October 23 2013 04:17 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Currently rewriting/reformatting/converting reports in SAP BusinessIntelligence (kill me now) - so many times I've been trying to get a report to work right and I do *something* and it magically works for no reason.

Are you using Crystal?

I have to do one for my certification project and after like 3 hours of bufu trying to figure out what is going on I realize that Crystal uses its own SQL-like language that it interprets into SQL for the SQL interpreter to then run.


...

wat


Nope, we don't use Crystal. Converting Deski reports to Webi reports. Most of them aren't too bad, but there's a whole slew of reports set up with SQL data providers that can't go through the converter (which barely works), so they have to be manually rewritten in Webi.

In the whole project, somewhere around ~1000+ reports have to get converted.

Lol I have to do a webi certification too fml
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JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
October 22 2013 19:48 GMT
#7183
someday soon I'm gonna post a link to some pictures and videos I took while here. I'll hold a "this is JonGalt" sign.
LiquidLegends StaffWho is Jon Galt?
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 22 2013 19:50 GMT
#7184
On October 23 2013 04:45 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2013 04:39 Osmoses wrote:
Shitty code is shitty, no matter the platform.

Do you think the platform has anyway to do with the implementation or how it was implememted? Like restrictions in what coders can do? Etc etc?

Neh, no. Things may be easier/harder on one platform or another (API, libraries, etc), but with enough effort/time/thought you can generally make anything work within reason, that's the beauty of coding, especially Object Oriented.

It likely has to do with so-called "legacy systems". There's probably a lot of existing code in place from when LoL was first being put together that has just always been there. You don't want to fuck with it because everything is teetering on top of it, but it occasionally causes fuck ups anyway, and fixing them causes bugs elsewhere. The solution is to rebuild from the ground up (lol who the FUCK wants to do that) or to go through the painstaking process of dredging through old code (which may or may not be commented at all, and the people that worked on it may not remember any of it or may not even work there anymore) and fixing things while not breaking anything else. And even if you do that, you can't really make anything new, because you can't really be fucking with the bottom part and then add new stuff on top of it at the same time, because that's a great way to fudge even the best CMS.

Coding.
It's your boy Guzma!
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 22 2013 19:54 GMT
#7185
On October 23 2013 04:48 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2013 04:31 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 23 2013 04:27 xes wrote:
On October 23 2013 04:17 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Currently rewriting/reformatting/converting reports in SAP BusinessIntelligence (kill me now) - so many times I've been trying to get a report to work right and I do *something* and it magically works for no reason.

Are you using Crystal?

I have to do one for my certification project and after like 3 hours of bufu trying to figure out what is going on I realize that Crystal uses its own SQL-like language that it interprets into SQL for the SQL interpreter to then run.


...

wat


Nope, we don't use Crystal. Converting Deski reports to Webi reports. Most of them aren't too bad, but there's a whole slew of reports set up with SQL data providers that can't go through the converter (which barely works), so they have to be manually rewritten in Webi.

In the whole project, somewhere around ~1000+ reports have to get converted.

Lol I have to do a webi certification too fml


Weeeeeee

My job is actually pretty much spent just doing SAP BO stuff. I came into it with 0 knowledge, and I think I'm doing pretty well with it. I really don't mind it.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-22 20:00:11
October 22 2013 19:58 GMT
#7186
I doubt a new client will come until lol2.

which will be interesting because they'll have to transfer everyone's account.

actually you know what would be cool? when lol 2 comes out you can login with you're lol account and you'll have all the IP and RP you spent in lol to spend on lol 2.

edit: anyone gonna see the enders game movie? how are the trailers shaping up?
LiquidLegends StaffWho is Jon Galt?
Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
October 22 2013 20:00 GMT
#7187
Okay so this a response from about 6-8 pages back (Read: Ancient History) but I have to chime in and say that Warhammer 40K table top games are very interesting to spectate. I know that the BlueTablePainting channel has some battle reports on Warhammer 40K (And I think some other games, I haven't been there in quite some time though) and they also showcase some of the models that they're currently painting. I think it's neat.

And on that note, I have to say what's even more interesting for me to watch is Dawn of War II replays. I think that's my favorite game to spectate currently. If you want to know what I'm talking about, you can find replays of Dawn of War II here: + Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsxTYtTqz9pqbOh8EUyUpIg


The caster is amazing so that helps.
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6429 Posts
October 22 2013 20:00 GMT
#7188
On October 23 2013 04:50 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2013 04:45 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 23 2013 04:39 Osmoses wrote:
Shitty code is shitty, no matter the platform.

Do you think the platform has anyway to do with the implementation or how it was implememted? Like restrictions in what coders can do? Etc etc?

Neh, no. Things may be easier/harder on one platform or another (API, libraries, etc), but with enough effort/time/thought you can generally make anything work within reason, that's the beauty of coding, especially Object Oriented.

Except time and money are always going to be hugely important factors. A bad platform can take longer to implement correctly so when you're under a deadline, it's more likely you have shittier code with a shittier platform.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 22 2013 20:03 GMT
#7189
@JonGalt - gonna go see Ender's Game, likely going to be disappointed, but I have to go see it.

On October 23 2013 05:00 Frudgey wrote:
Okay so this a response from about 6-8 pages back (Read: Ancient History) but I have to chime in and say that Warhammer 40K table top games are very interesting to spectate. I know that the BlueTablePainting channel has some battle reports on Warhammer 40K (And I think some other games, I haven't been there in quite some time though) and they also showcase some of the models that they're currently painting. I think it's neat.

And on that note, I have to say what's even more interesting for me to watch is Dawn of War II replays. I think that's my favorite game to spectate currently. If you want to know what I'm talking about, you can find replays of Dawn of War II here: + Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsxTYtTqz9pqbOh8EUyUpIg


The caster is amazing so that helps.


I might check this out. I used to play DoW with my friend. I own DoW2 and have played a couple games, but don't know anyone who plays and never got into it. Also, I'm really bad at RTSs.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
October 22 2013 20:04 GMT
#7190
Spent all day debugging why my shit didn't work on the new build.
Naturally someone had merged something that broke my feature without testing it, and of course it falls to me to fix it.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 22 2013 20:04 GMT
#7191
On October 23 2013 05:00 caelym wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2013 04:50 Requizen wrote:
On October 23 2013 04:45 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 23 2013 04:39 Osmoses wrote:
Shitty code is shitty, no matter the platform.

Do you think the platform has anyway to do with the implementation or how it was implememted? Like restrictions in what coders can do? Etc etc?

Neh, no. Things may be easier/harder on one platform or another (API, libraries, etc), but with enough effort/time/thought you can generally make anything work within reason, that's the beauty of coding, especially Object Oriented.

Except time and money are always going to be hugely important factors. A bad platform can take longer to implement correctly so when you're under a deadline, it's more likely you have shittier code with a shittier platform.

Well sure, but that wasn't the question. Platforms can be bottlenecks, but they are (almost) never walls.

In this regard, if they've actually had a staff of people chunking away at a new Air client for the last year and a half or whatever, there's nothing keeping it from being a good client just because it's using Air.
It's your boy Guzma!
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
October 22 2013 20:05 GMT
#7192
On October 23 2013 05:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I might check this out. I used to play DoW with my friend. I own DoW2 and have played a couple games, but don't know anyone who plays and never got into it. Also, I'm really bad at RTSs.

I liked the original DoWs but things started getting rather silly towards the end. Also, the unit cap was so low. I always wanted to just have these giant battle with millions of units in these global battles. But nope, got to be small skirmishes.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 22 2013 20:06 GMT
#7193
On October 23 2013 05:05 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2013 05:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I might check this out. I used to play DoW with my friend. I own DoW2 and have played a couple games, but don't know anyone who plays and never got into it. Also, I'm really bad at RTSs.

I liked the original DoWs but things started getting rather silly towards the end. Also, the unit cap was so low. I always wanted to just have these giant battle with millions of units in these global battles. But nope, got to be small skirmishes.


Dats y u play da orks
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 22 2013 20:07 GMT
#7194
On October 23 2013 05:06 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2013 05:05 MoonBear wrote:
On October 23 2013 05:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I might check this out. I used to play DoW with my friend. I own DoW2 and have played a couple games, but don't know anyone who plays and never got into it. Also, I'm really bad at RTSs.

I liked the original DoWs but things started getting rather silly towards the end. Also, the unit cap was so low. I always wanted to just have these giant battle with millions of units in these global battles. But nope, got to be small skirmishes.


Dats y u play da orks

Dat Green Tide.

Until I field 10 Tesla Immortals and 2 Anni Barges and lolol 6 rolls. Tesla has to be my favorite rule in the game.
It's your boy Guzma!
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
October 22 2013 20:08 GMT
#7195
I think you guys are pretty cool.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
October 22 2013 20:09 GMT
#7196
Air is fine. Throwing time and money on reworking a client that, in the end, gets the job done simply isn't good business.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 22 2013 20:10 GMT
#7197
On October 23 2013 05:08 mordek wrote:
I think you guys are pretty cool.


HAPPY BIRTHDAY TOMORROW
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
October 22 2013 20:12 GMT
#7198
On October 23 2013 05:06 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2013 05:05 MoonBear wrote:
On October 23 2013 05:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I might check this out. I used to play DoW with my friend. I own DoW2 and have played a couple games, but don't know anyone who plays and never got into it. Also, I'm really bad at RTSs.

I liked the original DoWs but things started getting rather silly towards the end. Also, the unit cap was so low. I always wanted to just have these giant battle with millions of units in these global battles. But nope, got to be small skirmishes.


Dats y u play da orks

Except I also want to have gigantic tank battles where hordes of Baneblades crash into each other. Gamesworkshop pls.

Happy KR Birthday Mordek!
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 22 2013 20:13 GMT
#7199
On October 23 2013 05:09 Osmoses wrote:
Air is fine. Throwing time and money on reworking a client that, in the end, gets the job done simply isn't good business.

Well that's really up to them, then, and how much code they're willing to re-write as opposed to just porting if possible.
It's your boy Guzma!
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 22 2013 20:14 GMT
#7200
On October 23 2013 05:08 mordek wrote:
I think you guys are pretty cool.

Best use of 4k post <3
It's your boy Guzma!
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