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Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
October 08 2013 04:29 GMT
#4441
I'm talking about material. Math in hs was all memorization, like pretty much any other course. They teach you a formula, you memorize what it is, how to use it, regurgitate, get marks. At least when I got into proofs I had to think a hell of a lot harder and got more out of it because I could know why the power rule works for derivations and not just blindly apply it everywhere.
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
October 08 2013 04:30 GMT
#4442
On October 08 2013 13:28 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 13:27 Slusher wrote:
On October 08 2013 13:26 Requizen wrote:
On October 08 2013 13:24 Nos- wrote:
You know what I hated about high school? Math.
You know what I got really fucking into after i got into college? Math.
TL;DR: high school was pretty much only useful for getting me into college so I can learn the "real" stuff. I think maybe the same can be applied to this whole literature discussion. High school curriculums are, generally speaking, very restricting. Also I don't find most high school teachers to be any good at their jobs but who am
I to say?

Depending on what course you take, English/Lit classes in college don't nearly follow the same format as a HS English course. Math is always going to be math, but at least the profs at uni actually care about teaching it (usually) rather than most HS teachers.


woah there.

which part


people honing their craft vs. going to work exists in all walks of life, I don't think college and/or high school teaching has anything to do with it.
Carrilord has arrived.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 08 2013 04:34 GMT
#4443
On October 08 2013 13:30 Slusher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 13:28 Requizen wrote:
On October 08 2013 13:27 Slusher wrote:
On October 08 2013 13:26 Requizen wrote:
On October 08 2013 13:24 Nos- wrote:
You know what I hated about high school? Math.
You know what I got really fucking into after i got into college? Math.
TL;DR: high school was pretty much only useful for getting me into college so I can learn the "real" stuff. I think maybe the same can be applied to this whole literature discussion. High school curriculums are, generally speaking, very restricting. Also I don't find most high school teachers to be any good at their jobs but who am
I to say?

Depending on what course you take, English/Lit classes in college don't nearly follow the same format as a HS English course. Math is always going to be math, but at least the profs at uni actually care about teaching it (usually) rather than most HS teachers.


woah there.

which part


people honing their craft vs. going to work exists in all walks of life, I don't think college and/or high school teaching has anything to do with it.

Eeh, sure. I mean, it could just be my experience, but I found HS math teachers more did it because it's bloody easy to find a job teaching math in grade/high school (whereas other specializations like History or English are generally more difficult to find [src: sister is a History teacher and had to move]), whilst my college profs were all excited about the material and whatever research they were doing. My HS math teachers would come in and lecture then pass out worksheets, while my profs would actively seek out our attention and be available at all sorts of hours.

Could have just been me tho.
It's your boy Guzma!
Vegetarian Wolf
Profile Joined May 2010
China434 Posts
October 08 2013 04:34 GMT
#4444
I'm going to bed I think. Clutz buddy try not to get too hung up on your poor high school experience.
Awooo...
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
October 08 2013 04:38 GMT
#4445
On October 08 2013 13:29 Nos- wrote:
I'm talking about material. Math in hs was all memorization, like pretty much any other course. They teach you a formula, you memorize what it is, how to use it, regurgitate, get marks. At least when I got into proofs I had to think a hell of a lot harder and got more out of it because I could know why the power rule works for derivations and not just blindly apply it everywhere.


Three years after I was taught the formula for variance, and just realized why it existed. It's really simple to explain, so it makes me wonder why it was never taught IN ANY MATH/STATS CLASS I HAD.
CUTE MAKES RIGHT
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
October 08 2013 04:38 GMT
#4446
On October 08 2013 13:34 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 13:30 Slusher wrote:
On October 08 2013 13:28 Requizen wrote:
On October 08 2013 13:27 Slusher wrote:
On October 08 2013 13:26 Requizen wrote:
On October 08 2013 13:24 Nos- wrote:
You know what I hated about high school? Math.
You know what I got really fucking into after i got into college? Math.
TL;DR: high school was pretty much only useful for getting me into college so I can learn the "real" stuff. I think maybe the same can be applied to this whole literature discussion. High school curriculums are, generally speaking, very restricting. Also I don't find most high school teachers to be any good at their jobs but who am
I to say?

Depending on what course you take, English/Lit classes in college don't nearly follow the same format as a HS English course. Math is always going to be math, but at least the profs at uni actually care about teaching it (usually) rather than most HS teachers.


woah there.

which part


people honing their craft vs. going to work exists in all walks of life, I don't think college and/or high school teaching has anything to do with it.

Eeh, sure. I mean, it could just be my experience, but I found HS math teachers more did it because it's bloody easy to find a job teaching math in grade/high school (whereas other specializations like History or English are generally more difficult to find [src: sister is a History teacher and had to move]), whilst my college profs were all excited about the material and whatever research they were doing. My HS math teachers would come in and lecture then pass out worksheets, while my profs would actively seek out our attention and be available at all sorts of hours.

Could have just been me tho.


I mean the job is different so it may manifest in a different way, ofc when you are teaching something that is borderline remedial to a math major like Algebra 1, you won't be pumped up about the material itself, but having students pick it up and get good grades, or just like school more can be your inspiration.

My Algebra 1 teacher was one of my favorite teachers I ever had, knowing what I know about math now I can't even begin to imagine the material exited him.
Carrilord has arrived.
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
October 08 2013 04:39 GMT
#4447
My AP Calculus teacher was actually pretty damn good at explaining a lot of stuff and the theories on derivatives/integrals/etc. I mean...for a class that was all about preparing for the AP Exam we really didn't even talk about that as much as we did about learning how to do the math and learn the theorems.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 08 2013 05:00 GMT
#4448
On October 08 2013 13:34 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:
I'm going to bed I think. Clutz buddy try not to get too hung up on your poor high school experience.


Meh. What is there to get caught up on? Here we get to have honest debate
Freeeeeeedom
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
October 08 2013 05:16 GMT
#4449
On October 08 2013 13:29 Nos- wrote:
I'm talking about material. Math in hs was all memorization, like pretty much any other course. They teach you a formula, you memorize what it is, how to use it, regurgitate, get marks. At least when I got into proofs I had to think a hell of a lot harder and got more out of it because I could know why the power rule works for derivations and not just blindly apply it everywhere.

This is interesting because this school of thought is exactly what my teacher is trying to throw out. He's doing his best to make sure we aren't calculators, and has almost completely eradicated them from the curriculum. It's probably the only time that I felt math is making me more intelligent in life, rather than learning something I know I'm going to forget as soon as the class ends.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 08 2013 05:20 GMT
#4450
More important that education:

After imbibing 12 of them, I have determined Redd's Strawberry Ale to be no different than its regular Apple.
Freeeeeeedom
Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
October 08 2013 05:29 GMT
#4451
Its funny because I took Math in university because of my positive experience with math in high school.
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
October 08 2013 05:38 GMT
#4452
On October 08 2013 14:20 cLutZ wrote:
More important that education:

After imbibing 12 of them, I have determined Redd's Strawberry Ale to be no different than its regular Apple.

Doesn't even look bright red, must not be strawberry.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Zizoz
Profile Joined June 2012
United States232 Posts
October 08 2013 06:33 GMT
#4453
On October 08 2013 13:15 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 13:00 caelym wrote:
On October 08 2013 12:54 Nos- wrote:
On October 08 2013 12:51 onlywonderboy wrote:
On October 08 2013 12:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 08 2013 12:42 caelym wrote:
On October 08 2013 12:29 Requizen wrote:
Speaking of which Hearthstone is really fun.

I know OT is for shitposting, but holy crap Req you take it to a whole new level. When you're not image spamming, you're bitching about something in your life, when you're not doing that, you're shamelessly promoting your stream, and when you're not doing that, you're going "look at it me! look at me! I got into Hearthstone beta! look at me!". Please return to GD and QQ about how bad you are at LoL.

Damn caelym.

Jesus man.

I don't really know what happened there

generally people shitpost but also add something to the discussion. I honestly dont recall a single post from Req that is of quality. Arguing with some random dude about personal taste in manga or kpop or whatever is not quality. I haven't check his history but I'm pretty sure 90% of his posts in the past week was some form of image macro or one-liner about Hearthstone/his stream. Just annoys the heck out of me whenever I see his username take a dump in this thread.

On October 08 2013 12:54 Requizen wrote:
Edit: also I haven't image spammed in this thread. You've not seen me image spam.

please do, so you get banned. thanks.

It's ok caelym, I love you enough for the both of us.

I don't remember much of my Shakespeare and I'm not really exactly sure where this discussion is heading, but I do like books. A friend told me to start reading Discworld, worth it?

Discworld is very much worth it.
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
October 08 2013 07:40 GMT
#4454
On October 02 2013 04:30 Ketara wrote:
My application process with the Peace Corps is indefinitely on hold until this retarded government shutdown issue gets fixed because the people handling my paperwork aren't allowed to work.

And you guys know me, I'm not one to call things retarded. But this shit is pretty fucking retarded. I went and looked in the TL thread about it and it's a bunch of right wing nutjobs going on and on about how Obamacare is ruining the country and shutting the government down is the morally right thing to do and it has put me in a pretty shit mood.


Wooooooooo Peace Corps!! I will give you all inside tips to raise your PC ELO to challeneger level.

#1 Peace Corps NA
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 08 2013 07:46 GMT
#4455
Shouldn't the Peace Corps be an NPO?
Freeeeeeedom
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 08 2013 07:56 GMT
#4456
On October 08 2013 16:46 cLutZ wrote:
Shouldn't the Peace Corps be an NPO?

It's funded by govt started by jfk I think?
liftlift > tsm
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
October 08 2013 08:46 GMT
#4457
On October 08 2013 16:40 JonGalt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 04:30 Ketara wrote:
My application process with the Peace Corps is indefinitely on hold until this retarded government shutdown issue gets fixed because the people handling my paperwork aren't allowed to work.

And you guys know me, I'm not one to call things retarded. But this shit is pretty fucking retarded. I went and looked in the TL thread about it and it's a bunch of right wing nutjobs going on and on about how Obamacare is ruining the country and shutting the government down is the morally right thing to do and it has put me in a pretty shit mood.


Wooooooooo Peace Corps!! I will give you all inside tips to raise your PC ELO to challeneger level.

#1 Peace Corps NA

I'm in the same boat as Ketara.

And honestly, I'm more afraid of the Republicans possibly defaulting, because that would be absolutely absurd and plunge us back into 2007 (without the access to cheap loans to finance a recovery). Wonderful.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 08 2013 13:01 GMT
#4458
Watafa you guys post too much. At least do it while I ain't sleeping.

On October 08 2013 10:22 onlywonderboy wrote:
I just started reading Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, pretty funny so far lol.

Spoiler-free, be careful though: the books are more often ironic, or even caustic, than funny, so one chapter you're laughing your ass off at some thinly-veiled critic, and the following one you just cower in a corner because he said something the makes you deeply depressed when you realise its truth, in the exact same tone
Very enjoyable read and a good ending too.

Regarding the movie, it's not that it's bad, it's that it's better as a stand-off thing than as "the H2G2 movie". Never listened to the radio plays but I guess they'd give the same vibe of "it's not the books!" to a bunch of people.


About teaching, I don't have that many memories (used to spend my days, even class breaks, reading as a kid so what we saw in class is a huge minority) apart from stuff like Perfume, which I heavily disliked, although all we did with the teacher was read a bit, discuss about people's impression of it, but we never delved too deep. Maybe I would have liked it more had it been the case (according to what I've quickly glanced at on its French wiki page, nope).

When I was talking with this music college girl about her classes, she told me that what they're taught as "classical" music isn't necessarily what was the canon at the time, but the "elites" music as it was written down and thus came down to us mostly untouched. They have other classes where they study what is called "traditional" music, which is much more loose because of the oral tradition.
Then she went on about how in some colleges teachers only care about "classical" from centuries ago as the music worthy of being studied, and they almost solely focus on that. According to her where she studied before college there was a big community into jazz but because the local college was one of these a bunch of her friends dropped after the first year and either switched places or field.

TL;DR: relevant. Non-relevant but it doesn't matter.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 08 2013 13:08 GMT
#4459
Alarm doesn't go off. Wake up at 8:40. Have to stop at Dunkin for breakfast. In the office by 9.

o.o
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AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
October 08 2013 13:15 GMT
#4460
On October 08 2013 22:08 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Alarm doesn't go off. Wake up at 8:40. Have to stop at Dunkin for breakfast. In the office by 9.

o.o


That's not the last time that'll happen in your life. Welcome to adult.
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