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On October 08 2013 13:08 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 13:05 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:On October 08 2013 13:00 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Yeah so I never got my teachers asking about the state of Shakespeare's mental health while reading Shakespeare but that was just me I guess. You missed out  On a related note, I had a professor who enjoyed diagnosing Shakespeare characters with mental illnesses. He recently revised his diagnosis of Hamlet from depression to ADD~ gimme the low down on MacBeth why couldn't he just wait?
Manic depressive or something of that variety, combined with a weak will led him to be manipulated by his wife o/
Something about an inferiority complex and
On October 08 2013 13:07 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +And I mean, maybe you don't like them but....anything by Ray Bradbury, 1984, Brave New World.....those are pretty sci-fi. I wouldn't rate them as hardcore sci-fi, as I would dystopian future.
So you're grasping at semantics.
On October 08 2013 13:09 Zergneedsfood wrote:
.....did you actually remember that scene?
What do you mean by remember? If by remember you mean remember it exists, yes. If by remember you mean I quoted it by heart, no. I did remember the last line though which allowed me to google it o/
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I don't know if it's 70% classic lit though....I mean I assume people here talking about classical literature is referring to are like....classics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classics
So are you guys telling me you spend 70% on Greek/Roman works? Or are you guys talking about like....literature in general ranging from ancient classical works to works in the Renaissance up to more post-modern American writing?
Because the former is very one dimensional while the latter actually does give a wide perspective on various works of literature that are well spread across time, regardless of whether one likes them or not...and I happened to experience the latter.
What do you mean by remember? If by remember you mean remember it exists, yes. If by remember you mean I quoted it by heart, no. I did remember the last line though which allowed me to google it o/
*jellies*
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OT feels really fucking intellectual today apparently. I was feeling more comfortable with the randomly calling people out on their anger posts.
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well judging by the list that Clutz posted earlier, which included a book published in 2006, I'm not really sure.
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On October 08 2013 13:04 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 12:56 cLutZ wrote:On October 08 2013 12:51 Slusher wrote:On October 08 2013 12:49 cLutZ wrote:On October 08 2013 12:46 Slusher wrote:
to be fair I can't actually argue against it without getting equally anecdotal but it does not match my life experience at all. Your life experience is dudes really liking Romeo and Juliet while chicks hate it? most chicks I knew were really exited to read it, hated the first couple of chapters due to olde English, rented the Leonardo Di'Caprio movie and based their homework off of that. so the one book that you assume they all liked, no, they did not like. As for shit like Of Mice and men and To kill a Mocking Bird, yea guys tended to get more into it in my personal experience but the company I kept, spoiled white chicks, probly has more to do with that than the literature itself. Adjusted for guys participating more in almost every single classroom discussion? are you honestly going to tell me that when you were in high school (this is much different than college where you barely know a lot of your classmates) you didn't know who was and who was not doing the homework/ paying attention etc? Had I not warned you that my reply would be anecdotal?
My high school classes was basically a roundtable between Me, Michael, Paul, and Dan + the teacher. In my non-honors classes it was either me talking or the teacher awkwardly calling on people.
On October 08 2013 13:08 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 13:04 Slusher wrote:On October 08 2013 12:56 cLutZ wrote:On October 08 2013 12:51 Slusher wrote:On October 08 2013 12:49 cLutZ wrote:On October 08 2013 12:46 Slusher wrote:
to be fair I can't actually argue against it without getting equally anecdotal but it does not match my life experience at all. Your life experience is dudes really liking Romeo and Juliet while chicks hate it? most chicks I knew were really exited to read it, hated the first couple of chapters due to olde English, rented the Leonardo Di'Caprio movie and based their homework off of that. so the one book that you assume they all liked, no, they did not like. As for shit like Of Mice and men and To kill a Mocking Bird, yea guys tended to get more into it in my personal experience but the company I kept, spoiled white chicks, probly has more to do with that than the literature itself. Adjusted for guys participating more in almost every single classroom discussion? are you honestly going to tell me that when you were in high school (this is much different than college where you barely know a lot of your classmates) you didn't know who was and who was not doing the homework/ paying attention etc? Had I not warned you that my reply would be anecdotal? Since he seems to value Harry Potter over Shakespeare, I gues sI'll descend to his level and explain the situation in terms he'll understand. To quote McGonagall when she was addressing Umbridge: "You're raving." And rest assured that I am just as disdainful as McGonagall was in that scene  + Show Spoiler +'Aha!' shrieked Professor Umbridge, pointing a stubby finger at McGonagall. 'Yes! Yes, yes, yes! Of course! That's what you want, isn't it, Minerva McGonagall? You want Cornelius Fudge replace by Albus Dumbledore! You think you'll be where I am, don't you: Senior Undersecretary to the Minister and Headmistress to boot!'
'You are raving,' said Professor McGonagall, superbly disdainful.
Harry Potter is written by a woman and JK Rowling obviously wrote Hermione Granger as a personification of her ideal self while she is secretly jealous of Harry Potter as he personifies the "slacker" boys who always shined brighter than her in the classroom.
Hey! Maybe I could be a high school English teacher after all...
On October 08 2013 13:14 Slusher wrote:
well judging by the list that Clutz posted earlier, which included a book published in 2006, I'm not really sure.
Those are "Common Core" suggested readings that are kind of intended to alleviate a lot of the problems I have as it is. They also suggest students read a lot of stuff. They divide their categories into: Stories (books), Drama (plays), Poetry, and Informational Texts from English Language Arts, History/SS, and Science/Technical Subjects.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCwQFjAA&url=http://www.corestandards.org/assets/Appendix_B.pdf&ei=JodTUpuaGfLh4AOQ7oFo&usg=AFQjCNFUH5ONvwibQmKLW4r5EflmtmOHKA&sig2=vYj8y1DCl5lio3VyxQuBUg&bvm=bv.53537100,d.dmg
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On October 08 2013 13:00 caelym wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 12:54 Nos- wrote:On October 08 2013 12:51 onlywonderboy wrote:On October 08 2013 12:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 08 2013 12:42 caelym wrote:On October 08 2013 12:29 Requizen wrote:
Speaking of which Hearthstone is really fun. I know OT is for shitposting, but holy crap Req you take it to a whole new level. When you're not image spamming, you're bitching about something in your life, when you're not doing that, you're shamelessly promoting your stream, and when you're not doing that, you're going "look at it me! look at me! I got into Hearthstone beta! look at me!". Please return to GD and QQ about how bad you are at LoL. Damn caelym. Jesus man. I don't really know what happened there generally people shitpost but also add something to the discussion. I honestly dont recall a single post from Req that is of quality. Arguing with some random dude about personal taste in manga or kpop or whatever is not quality. I haven't check his history but I'm pretty sure 90% of his posts in the past week was some form of image macro or one-liner about Hearthstone/his stream. Just annoys the heck out of me whenever I see his username take a dump in this thread. Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 12:54 Requizen wrote:
Edit: also I haven't image spammed in this thread. You've not seen me image spam. please do, so you get banned. thanks.
It's ok caelym, I love you enough for the both of us.
I don't remember much of my Shakespeare and I'm not really exactly sure where this discussion is heading, but I do like books. A friend told me to start reading Discworld, worth it?
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On October 08 2013 13:11 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 13:07 wei2coolman wrote:And I mean, maybe you don't like them but....anything by Ray Bradbury, 1984, Brave New World.....those are pretty sci-fi. I wouldn't rate them as hardcore sci-fi, as I would dystopian future. So you're grasping at semantics.
I guess you could say that, but there's something distinct about science fiction and fantasy genre that doesn't quite fit with the ones listed.
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On October 08 2013 13:15 cLutZ wrote:
My high school classes was basically a roundtable between Me, Michael, Paul, and Dan + the teacher. In my non-honors classes it was either me talking or the teacher awkwardly calling on people.
On October 08 2013 12:35 cLutZ wrote:
In fact, I think that the selected readings by English teachers is a huge part of the current gender gap in achievement, because I don't know many girls that hate these readings nearly as much as the guys in the classroom.
it would help if there was 1 in the class
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On October 08 2013 13:19 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 13:15 cLutZ wrote:
My high school classes was basically a roundtable between Me, Michael, Paul, and Dan + the teacher. In my non-honors classes it was either me talking or the teacher awkwardly calling on people. Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 12:35 cLutZ wrote:
In fact, I think that the selected readings by English teachers is a huge part of the current gender gap in achievement, because I don't know many girls that hate these readings nearly as much as the guys in the classroom. it would help if there was 1 in the class
Huehue. They outnumbered us 
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On October 08 2013 13:19 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 13:11 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:On October 08 2013 13:07 wei2coolman wrote:And I mean, maybe you don't like them but....anything by Ray Bradbury, 1984, Brave New World.....those are pretty sci-fi. I wouldn't rate them as hardcore sci-fi, as I would dystopian future. So you're grasping at semantics. I guess you could say that, but there's something distinct about science fiction and fantasy genre that doesn't quite fit with the ones listed.
Is there? This is a completely different topic that was hinted at earlier, but how we draw the line between genre fiction and literary fiction is a topic of much debate.
Also FWIW, Bradbury gets stuck with the other sci fi books in most bookstores instead of with the fiction/literature /o/
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As far as I can tell, in my English class right now 90% of the people don't give a shit. It seems that you either do well in English or don't care.
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On October 08 2013 13:20 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 13:19 Slusher wrote:On October 08 2013 13:15 cLutZ wrote:
My high school classes was basically a roundtable between Me, Michael, Paul, and Dan + the teacher. In my non-honors classes it was either me talking or the teacher awkwardly calling on people. On October 08 2013 12:35 cLutZ wrote:
In fact, I think that the selected readings by English teachers is a huge part of the current gender gap in achievement, because I don't know many girls that hate these readings nearly as much as the guys in the classroom. it would help if there was 1 in the class Huehue. They outnumbered us
yo I honestly thought mabye you went to catholic school and had a class of 5 people, it happens.
does not change the fact that in my experience differed from yours, I can't really go into it any more than that, which I told you up front.
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Strictly speaking, yeah, I guess I'd put them in Sci-fi, but they don't have the same depth in terms of environment/world description. They just don't fit the typical sci-fi work.
On October 08 2013 13:23 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 13:20 cLutZ wrote:On October 08 2013 13:19 Slusher wrote:On October 08 2013 13:15 cLutZ wrote:
My high school classes was basically a roundtable between Me, Michael, Paul, and Dan + the teacher. In my non-honors classes it was either me talking or the teacher awkwardly calling on people. On October 08 2013 12:35 cLutZ wrote:
In fact, I think that the selected readings by English teachers is a huge part of the current gender gap in achievement, because I don't know many girls that hate these readings nearly as much as the guys in the classroom. it would help if there was 1 in the class Huehue. They outnumbered us yo I honestly thought mabye you went to catholic school and had a class of 5 people, it happens.
My IB history class was 9 kids.
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On October 08 2013 13:22 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
As far as I can tell, in my English class right now 90% of the people don't give a shit. It seems that you either do well in English or don't care.
Or both, as passing most high school and 100-300 level English classes only requires a modicum of attention at best.
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You know what I hated about high school? Math.
You know what I got really fucking into after i got into college? Math.
TL;DR: high school was pretty much only useful for getting me into college so I can learn the "real" stuff. I think maybe the same can be applied to this whole literature discussion. High school curriculums are, generally speaking, very restricting. Also I don't find most high school teachers to be any good at their jobs but who am
I to say?
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On October 08 2013 13:23 wei2coolman wrote:Strictly speaking, yeah, I guess I'd put them in Sci-fi, but they don't have the same depth in terms of environment/world description. They just don't fit the typical sci-fi work. Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 13:23 Slusher wrote:On October 08 2013 13:20 cLutZ wrote:On October 08 2013 13:19 Slusher wrote:On October 08 2013 13:15 cLutZ wrote:
My high school classes was basically a roundtable between Me, Michael, Paul, and Dan + the teacher. In my non-honors classes it was either me talking or the teacher awkwardly calling on people. On October 08 2013 12:35 cLutZ wrote:
In fact, I think that the selected readings by English teachers is a huge part of the current gender gap in achievement, because I don't know many girls that hate these readings nearly as much as the guys in the classroom. it would help if there was 1 in the class Huehue. They outnumbered us yo I honestly thought mabye you went to catholic school and had a class of 5 people, it happens. My IB history class was 9 kids.
WTFis the typical sci-fi work? You shouldn't be so quick to generalize genres. Are you really telling me Dune is the same type of work as Hitchhiker's Guide? Or if you want the perspective of detailed world/environment vs. simplistic, what about Flowers for Algernon? Examples are endless.
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On October 08 2013 13:24 Nos- wrote:
You know what I hated about high school? Math.
You know what I got really fucking into after i got into college? Math.
TL;DR: high school was pretty much only useful for getting me into college so I can learn the "real" stuff. I think maybe the same can be applied to this whole literature discussion. High school curriculums are, generally speaking, very restricting. Also I don't find most high school teachers to be any good at their jobs but who am
I to say?
Depending on what course you take, English/Lit classes in college don't nearly follow the same format as a HS English course. Math is always going to be math, but at least the profs at uni actually care about teaching it (usually) rather than most HS teachers.
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On October 08 2013 13:23 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 13:20 cLutZ wrote:On October 08 2013 13:19 Slusher wrote:On October 08 2013 13:15 cLutZ wrote:
My high school classes was basically a roundtable between Me, Michael, Paul, and Dan + the teacher. In my non-honors classes it was either me talking or the teacher awkwardly calling on people. On October 08 2013 12:35 cLutZ wrote:
In fact, I think that the selected readings by English teachers is a huge part of the current gender gap in achievement, because I don't know many girls that hate these readings nearly as much as the guys in the classroom. it would help if there was 1 in the class Huehue. They outnumbered us yo I honestly thought mabye you went to catholic school and had a class of 5 people, it happens. does not change the fact that in my experience differed from yours, I can't really go into it any more than that, which I told you up front.
Nah, we graduated ~ 350. The Freshman class was about 450 though...
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And Dune. Dune is a book I could get behind.
Except that 95% of High School Students wouldn't understand it. So, instead I get behind Ender's Game.
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On October 08 2013 13:26 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 13:24 Nos- wrote:
You know what I hated about high school? Math.
You know what I got really fucking into after i got into college? Math.
TL;DR: high school was pretty much only useful for getting me into college so I can learn the "real" stuff. I think maybe the same can be applied to this whole literature discussion. High school curriculums are, generally speaking, very restricting. Also I don't find most high school teachers to be any good at their jobs but who am
I to say? Depending on what course you take, English/Lit classes in college don't nearly follow the same format as a HS English course. Math is always going to be math, but at least the profs at uni actually care about teaching it (usually) rather than most HS teachers.
woah there.
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On October 08 2013 13:27 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 13:26 Requizen wrote:On October 08 2013 13:24 Nos- wrote:
You know what I hated about high school? Math.
You know what I got really fucking into after i got into college? Math.
TL;DR: high school was pretty much only useful for getting me into college so I can learn the "real" stuff. I think maybe the same can be applied to this whole literature discussion. High school curriculums are, generally speaking, very restricting. Also I don't find most high school teachers to be any good at their jobs but who am
I to say? Depending on what course you take, English/Lit classes in college don't nearly follow the same format as a HS English course. Math is always going to be math, but at least the profs at uni actually care about teaching it (usually) rather than most HS teachers. woah there.
which part
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