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On June 10 2014 09:07 Parnage wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2014 08:58 Ketara wrote:On June 10 2014 08:57 Requizen wrote:On June 10 2014 08:54 Ketara wrote:
So if somebody wanted to watch all of UC Gundam you'd tell them to watch 0079 -> Zeta -> ZZ -> CCA -> 0080 -> 0083 -> Victory -> 08th MST -> Unicorn -> The Origin?
Please, Req. That would be retarded. So if someone wants to watch Star Wars for the first time you'd tell them to watch the new trilogy and then the original trilogy? Please, Ketaruh. That would be retarded. Yes, you would. And if somebody wanted to watch the LotR movies for the first time you'd tell them to watch The Hobbit first. Because if you watch things in chronological order they make more sense. So many things wrong with what you just said about Star Wars viewing. You watch 4,5,6 because it's order didnt need a prequel to make things understand if anything watching 123456 RUINS much of 4,5,6 thanks to you obviously knowing who lukes dad is, that luke and leia are related etc.. If you want to include them for first viewing you go Machete order Episodes 4,5,2,3 and 6. You cut episode 1 because fuck episode 1.
Basically this.
It's not even nostalgia bias for me. I can watch 4-6 easily and enjoy the entire thing, because they're actually fucking good stories. 1-3 are like this giant fucking train wreck with flashy visuals. And flashy visuals for me suck cock if the story is so fucking trash it could even give cancer cancer.
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
I am a big fan of watching things in aired order because it's like getting the original proper experience. There are very few times I would recommend watching something in chronological order. Star Wars is not one of them. 4/5/6 should definitely be watched first because they are a strong standalone experience in and of themselves. 1/2/3 are very weak by themselves and rely a lot on you being invested in the Star Wars universe in order to get over how boring they start off. In the words of Plinkett from Red Letter Media: "Who's the protagonist of the first movie?" Cause honestly, who the fk knows.
And like would you tell someone to watch Suzumiya Haruhi in chronological order instead of TV order? Like no way. That ruins the entire point of the TV order which is pretty integral to the experience.
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I think this discussion will be a lot less ridiculous if we limit it to movies and TV shows and not throw in Kingdom Hearts.
On June 10 2014 09:07 Parnage wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2014 08:58 Ketara wrote:On June 10 2014 08:57 Requizen wrote:On June 10 2014 08:54 Ketara wrote:
So if somebody wanted to watch all of UC Gundam you'd tell them to watch 0079 -> Zeta -> ZZ -> CCA -> 0080 -> 0083 -> Victory -> 08th MST -> Unicorn -> The Origin?
Please, Req. That would be retarded. So if someone wants to watch Star Wars for the first time you'd tell them to watch the new trilogy and then the original trilogy? Please, Ketaruh. That would be retarded. Yes, you would. And if somebody wanted to watch the LotR movies for the first time you'd tell them to watch The Hobbit first. Because if you watch things in chronological order they make more sense. So many things wrong with what you just said about Star Wars viewing. You watch 4,5,6 because it's order didnt need a prequel to make things understand if anything watching 123456 RUINS much of 4,5,6 thanks to you obviously knowing who lukes dad is, that luke and leia are related etc.. If you want to include them for first viewing you go Machete order Episodes 4,5,2,3 and 6. You cut episode 1 because fuck episode 1.
You can also argue that watching 1-3 before 4-6 improves 4-6 because you have a lot of the tension and backstory between Obiwan, Yoda, the emperor and vader, which makes a lot of the more minor scenes more meaningful. Also a person who has already seen 1-3 knows who Hayden Christiansen is when he shows up in the very last scene of 6 for no fucking reason.
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On June 10 2014 09:15 Ketara wrote:I think this discussion will be a lot less ridiculous if we limit it to movies and TV shows and not throw in Kingdom Hearts. Show nested quote +On June 10 2014 09:07 Parnage wrote:On June 10 2014 08:58 Ketara wrote:On June 10 2014 08:57 Requizen wrote:On June 10 2014 08:54 Ketara wrote:
So if somebody wanted to watch all of UC Gundam you'd tell them to watch 0079 -> Zeta -> ZZ -> CCA -> 0080 -> 0083 -> Victory -> 08th MST -> Unicorn -> The Origin?
Please, Req. That would be retarded. So if someone wants to watch Star Wars for the first time you'd tell them to watch the new trilogy and then the original trilogy? Please, Ketaruh. That would be retarded. Yes, you would. And if somebody wanted to watch the LotR movies for the first time you'd tell them to watch The Hobbit first. Because if you watch things in chronological order they make more sense. So many things wrong with what you just said about Star Wars viewing. You watch 4,5,6 because it's order didnt need a prequel to make things understand if anything watching 123456 RUINS much of 4,5,6 thanks to you obviously knowing who lukes dad is, that luke and leia are related etc.. If you want to include them for first viewing you go Machete order Episodes 4,5,2,3 and 6. You cut episode 1 because fuck episode 1. You can also argue that watching 1-3 before 4-6 improves 4-6 because you have a lot of the tension and backstory between Obiwan, Yoda, the emperor and vader, which makes a lot of the more minor scenes more meaningful. Also a person who has already seen 1-3 knows who Hayden Christiansen is when he shows up in the very last scene of 6 for no fucking reason.
You just don't watch George Lucas's shitty remakes of the movies where he adds hayden in, and makes han shoot second.
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for lord of the rings would you read the hobbit before reading the trilogy? cause i would recommend it that way. but i would also recommend watching the trilogy movies before the hobbit. Maybe that's just because they are so much better. For star wars it ruins the story to watch 123 before 456. i imagine that's why he made them in that order.
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On June 10 2014 09:19 ComaDose wrote:
for lord of the rings would you read the hobbit before reading the trilogy? cause i would recommend it that way. but i would also recommend watching the trilogy movies before the hobbit. Maybe that's just because they are so much better. For star wars it ruins the story to watch 123 before 456. i imagine that's why he made them in that order.
You would read the Hobbit before Lord of the Rings because it was released ~15 years prior.
The movies are kinda hinky because LotR movies came first but they're based off books and the book release order might trump the movie release order.
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I think the Hobbit movies are better than the LotR movies, frankly.
Or at least I think that when I willfully forget certain scenes of the most recent Hobbit movie that made my heart hurt.
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That's why I said if you have to include the prequels in a viewing order you go Machete. You get the tension of the original backstory then get to see how it got to that point. You now have an understanding of what some of the backstory is and new understanding of scenes you previously viewed. It also adds much to episode six in ways of ramping up the importance of bringing down the emperor and the understanding that Luke not make the same mistakes his father made and just how close he got to that line without crossing it.
While I'd love to purge the prequels I can't but if I got to accept them at least let's set them up so they can stand a chance of being tolerable. Machete order gives that.
Let's not go into the.. edition additions. Down that path only pain and sorrow lay. If you are going to introduce someone to star wars for the first time you do it 4-6 or machete. In direct order takes away too much from the original holy trinity and doesn't give nearly enough back to warrant it's chronological viewing.
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I only wish they made faramir more like book faramir. :[
Sad day when I saw that.
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I actually like this Machete order argument.
But that supports the statement that watching things in the order they aired is not always the best.
And yes Faramir was one of the most botched LotR characters. So sad.
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Honestly so long as we understand Star Wars should be watched as such you can think whatever you want. Consider it the exception to the rule lol.
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France45622 Posts
On June 10 2014 09:19 ComaDose wrote:
for lord of the rings would you read the hobbit before reading the trilogy? cause i would recommend it that way. but i would also recommend watching the trilogy movies before the hobbit. Maybe that's just because they are so much better. For star wars it ruins the story to watch 123 before 456. i imagine that's why he made them in that order.
Iirc it's because 1-3 are so much heavier on special effects, they didn't have the means to do them at the time. While 4-6 they could, albeit with a lot of stuff created on the fly.
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On June 10 2014 09:43 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2014 09:19 ComaDose wrote:
for lord of the rings would you read the hobbit before reading the trilogy? cause i would recommend it that way. but i would also recommend watching the trilogy movies before the hobbit. Maybe that's just because they are so much better. For star wars it ruins the story to watch 123 before 456. i imagine that's why he made them in that order. Iirc it's because 1-3 are so much heavier on special effects, they didn't have the means to do them at the time. While 4-6 they could, albeit with a lot of stuff created on the fly.
Yeah, they couldn't feasibly show the whole clone wars and whatnot at the time with all the space battles that were supposed to happen.
With the rebel alliance vs the empire, it was mainly small ragtag groups vs a few large ships or another small yet slightly bigger force, so they could do it with a bunch of extras. But with the clone wars it was supposed to be these giant armies, tons of jedi, large space battles, etc, and they couldn't feasibly do that at that point in time.
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On June 10 2014 09:43 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2014 09:19 ComaDose wrote:
for lord of the rings would you read the hobbit before reading the trilogy? cause i would recommend it that way. but i would also recommend watching the trilogy movies before the hobbit. Maybe that's just because they are so much better. For star wars it ruins the story to watch 123 before 456. i imagine that's why he made them in that order. Iirc it's because 1-3 are so much heavier on special effects, they didn't have the means to do them at the time. While 4-6 they could, albeit with a lot of stuff created on the fly.
That's not true at all. 4-6 were written far before 1-3. Supposedly, Lucas has always had the idea for the entire story, but it was always meant to be filmed and released in that order.
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thats a pretty big supposedly imo
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United States15536 Posts
Parn is right about Star Wars. Machete order works great.
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On June 10 2014 09:46 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2014 09:43 Alaric wrote:On June 10 2014 09:19 ComaDose wrote:
for lord of the rings would you read the hobbit before reading the trilogy? cause i would recommend it that way. but i would also recommend watching the trilogy movies before the hobbit. Maybe that's just because they are so much better. For star wars it ruins the story to watch 123 before 456. i imagine that's why he made them in that order. Iirc it's because 1-3 are so much heavier on special effects, they didn't have the means to do them at the time. While 4-6 they could, albeit with a lot of stuff created on the fly. That's not true at all. 4-6 were written far before 1-3. Supposedly, Lucas has always had the idea for the entire story, but it was always meant to be filmed and released in that order.
That's generally how it's believed to be yes. Rather or not Lucas had 4-6 written out and the 1-3 written out as well is something of a "who knows" but 4-6 was indeed meant to be released first. Admittedly most fans believe he just called them episodes 4/5/6 not due to some grand plan but simply because he wanted that weekly sci-fi movie serial style hence the text crawl and that feeling of starting to watch the movie mid something happening.
I am never wrong about Star Wars.
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i think the correct order is to watch 4-6, then play x-wing and tie fighter. then watch a youtube playthrough of rebel assault because the game is amusing but frustrating.
follow up with super empire strikes back and super return of the jedi but not super star wars because bosses become impossible if you die at the boss because the gun upgrades are so important.
and then KOTOR1 and KOTOR2 if you can stomach an incomplete game that has really interesting writing for a time.
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Did anybody ever play TIE Fighter without cheat codes?
Because I remember having a blast turning invincibility on and parking my TIE next to a Mon Calamari Cruiser and just shooting it with lasers till it exploded.
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I did, but i was pretty young then, so everything is a bit hazy. Blowing up Mon Cals with lasers was something you did in some mission, if i recall correctly. Maybe there was a better way to do that, but as i said, i was pretty young. And you had to blow it up. Or maybe i just did that for fun?
And you could hide behind the engine? Or maybe blow up all of its turrets on one side, and then shoot it for roughly 15 minutes?
Anyways, no cheatcodes used.
Edit: OMG. TIE Fighter game is 20 years old.
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