Off-Topic General Discussion - Page 1515

On March 27 2014 02:49 onlywonderboy wrote:

I would take that list with a huge grain of salt ha.

On March 27 2014 03:41 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Yes, but Link is very good in P:M. He just has a lot of options for most situations, and he's fairly easy to use imo. I think he'll lose some favor once people get used to playing against him.

On March 27 2014 02:23 onlywonderboy wrote:

Yeah, I love Zelda, but most people on Smashboards agrees she's not that high of a tier. I played in a small tournament a couple weekends ago at Ohio State and took second, but the guy that won was on a whole other level than everyone else. He was the only one that Wavedashed consistently and what not. He didn't drop a single game, it was rough haha.

On March 27 2014 03:42 onlywonderboy wrote:

Maybe Smashboard browsing has just ruined me, read some stuff about him not being that good. Although I guess this was a couple months ago so maybe perceptions have changed. But then again opinions are opinions.

On March 27 2014 03:44 phyvo wrote:


liquid KDJ usually wins the weekly PM tournament in my area and he plays zelda among other characters.

IMO you shouldn't really worry about tiers in PM. Even the worst of PM's low tier is far better off than Melee's atm. The more important thing is to try out characters and just pick the one you like. Heck I see people putting Dedede at the bottom of their lists all the time and a Dedede player placed 5th at Apex out of 500-600 entrants.

It's not like anybody gathered a ton of data that shows how bad Dedede is, they just formed an opinion based on their, what, 3 months worth of experience since version 3.0? If after a year he's turns out awful there's actual people that can patch things this time so I doubt that any character will be left unplayable.

On March 27 2014 03:49 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Idk, I've played against a few recently and had some real trouble just because of how much he was able to do/deal with.

edit: also, his Up B ledge guard is gay as fuck



I do hope, though, that the PMBR will come closer and closer to a hands off approach with the game. The beauty of Melee is that it has been left completely alone, which caused people to grow and develop to overcome different things within the game.

Unfortunately, that means that select few Melee characters are actually viable at a high level. P:M has done an amazing job at opening to doors to a huge cast of characters, I just hope that at some point they say "ok, we're done making changes".

On March 27 2014 03:49 phyvo wrote:
They're a springboard for discussion indeed but they're not a good reason to avoid playing the character you like in PM.

Melee competitive tier actually broadened a lot (8 characters I hear), it's all the characters below that which absolutely suck. Given the history PMBR has being smash vets (and what I've read from them on the forums) I doubt they have an over-patching kind of culture (not to mention that they watched Brawl+, an older mod, fall into this pattern and die a long time ago).

On March 27 2014 04:12 sung_moon wrote:


Damn Melee sounds a lot like Mvc2.

What's more popular though, Project M or Brawl?
Assuming Project M but Brawl is probably played more because its more recent. Just curious, and purely basing off what I know from only watching an hour to two of Apex Brawl/Melee footage.

On March 27 2014 05:15 kainzero wrote:
My favorite part of Oculus Rift being bought by Facebook is people complaining about it.

On Facebook.

On March 27 2014 04:43 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
In terms of how much it matters from an ESPORTS perspective, Melee >>> Project M > Brawl.

On March 27 2014 05:29 wei2coolman wrote:

so why is melee >>> project m?
Are their mechanics that exist that P:M doesn't have, that Melee does?

On March 27 2014 05:38 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
In terms of prestige and value placed on winning a tournament, when all three games are at the same tournament, you bet your ass people are gonna care more about melee, both from a competitor and a spectator perspective.

Facebook down 12% over the past week, 7% today. RIP 10B market cap.

On March 27 2014 05:29 wei2coolman wrote:

so why is melee >>> project m?
Are their mechanics that exist that P:M doesn't have, that Melee does?

On March 27 2014 05:47 onlywonderboy wrote:

It's a more mechanically complex game and has a higher skill cap. Takes way more time to get good at Melee. Kinda seems like BW compared to SC2. Plus there is a ton of history to the game and rivalries and storylines already exists so there is stuff for spectators to latch onto.

Edit: Most of the mechanics that exists in Melee also exist in P:M but they are generally easier to pull off.