|
On March 15 2014 04:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 04:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 15 2014 04:10 red_ wrote:
I think if anyone that has played League as much as pretty much everyone here has, took like 1 weekend to play some games with some of us dirty DotA players, they would come out feeling plenty comfortable with the game, unless they're expecting to be 4k MMR super quick or something. Disagree. I know how DotA works, I know SOME of the items/mechanics and whatnot, but it will be a hell of a long time before I'd ever be comfortable enough with that game to play it all the time. I'd have to: a) Know who all the heroes are and what they do b) Learn all the items, and have a general idea of what to build and when. That in itself I imagine will take around 50-100 games. We've talked about this before I think, but it's just too much effort for me. Nah, I agree with red. If you spent an entire weekend playing with people who know what they're doing, you'd learn enough of it to be comfortable playing. I do enjoy dota, just haven't been in the mood to play it lately.
I've done this before.
It wasn't enough.
Not to say I don't enjoy having my ass exploded by OP shit every so often 'cause it's kinda hilarious, but I don't enjoy the game on a high level and I never will because of the effort that will require.
|
On March 15 2014 04:20 Parnage wrote:
Can someone point me to the shonen that doesn't end every arc with "and the current villian doesn't die but becomes friends with the protagonists and everyone who appeared to of died is just fine."
I'am okay with people surviving and the occasional change of heart but -every- -freakin- time.
Magician doesn't end like that, FMA and Yu Yu Hakusho (iirc) don't end most like that, Tower of God has a pretty black/white casting without too many powershifts. Fairy Tail is probably the worst example, I think around 5 straight arcs had at least 1 guy from the other side joining FT, but it made up for it during the Magic Games and the bikini contest.
|
On March 15 2014 04:26 Crusnik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 04:20 Parnage wrote:
Can someone point me to the shonen that doesn't end every arc with "and the current villian doesn't die but becomes friends with the protagonists and everyone who appeared to of died is just fine."
I'am okay with people surviving and the occasional change of heart but -every- -freakin- time. Magician doesn't end like that, FMA and Yu Yu Hakusho (iirc) don't end most like that, Tower of God has a pretty black/white casting without too many powershifts. Fairy Tail is probably the worst example, I think around 5 straight arcs had at least 1 guy from the other side joining FT, but it made up for it during the Magic Games and the bikini contest.
Yuyu has Hieh and Karama. Both of which happen in the first 5? Episodes. There's also "Fisherman" and all the Psychics except for Doctor and Sniper.
|
United States15536 Posts
On March 15 2014 04:28 Cixah wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 04:26 Crusnik wrote:On March 15 2014 04:20 Parnage wrote:
Can someone point me to the shonen that doesn't end every arc with "and the current villian doesn't die but becomes friends with the protagonists and everyone who appeared to of died is just fine."
I'am okay with people surviving and the occasional change of heart but -every- -freakin- time. Magician doesn't end like that, FMA and Yu Yu Hakusho (iirc) don't end most like that, Tower of God has a pretty black/white casting without too many powershifts. Fairy Tail is probably the worst example, I think around 5 straight arcs had at least 1 guy from the other side joining FT, but it made up for it during the Magic Games and the bikini contest. Yuyu has Hieh and Karama. Both of which happen in the first 5? Episodes. There's also "Fisherman" and all the Psychics except for Doctor and Sniper.
Also (while not "end-game" villains), there's Jin, Touya, Shishi Wakamaru, Rinku, and Chu from Dark Tournament.
|
On March 15 2014 04:18 Cixah wrote:IDK, the last "ninja" fight was the + Show Spoiler +Chidori vs Rasengan fight on the river of the 1st. . Every point after that to me has been just Mages throwing spells at each other and nothing particualarly "Ninja-feeling." I guess you could call the Chick who was Pain's Sister the most Ninja like, but even the Pain fight itself wasn't anything other than the White Wizard (Naruto, being on with nature) vs a Lich (Pain who was fighting from 9192839182764501723971231 miles a way with rod magic, a phylactery).
+ Show Spoiler +
that was one of my least favourite fights. How is throwing chidori and rasengan against each other interesting at all? Mages and Ninjas is just semantics, every other fight has been constantly using their signature techniques against each other. Like the shikamaru vs hidan fight? How is that a mage battle. What about the puppet fight? The Minato fight vs Tobi? Naruto vs Pain a mage fight? Eh, there was lots of cool shit before he went apeshit foxmode, so much baited and outsmarted with shadow clones and transformations and frog summons Sasuke vs Itachi was magey a bit I guess toward the end.
I don't see how someone who transforms into paper more like a ninja than a mage wtffffff?????
fighting in close combat or long range physically with the aid of techniques is ninja fighting. Throwing shurikens and setting traps or fighting close up is so cool and not shitty naruto going fox mode and sasuke going cursed seal level 2 thats just dragon ball z power up shit
|
i submit tower of god as the best currently running battle shonen (the gamer is good as well but too early on in serialization). feng shen ji toes the line to seinen but wins on art alone if also considered
i mean, just look at that full color
|
ive heard of it, but never about it, is it in anime?
|
The only shonen manga I liked was Yakitate Japan.
|
On March 15 2014 04:31 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 04:28 Cixah wrote:On March 15 2014 04:26 Crusnik wrote:On March 15 2014 04:20 Parnage wrote:
Can someone point me to the shonen that doesn't end every arc with "and the current villian doesn't die but becomes friends with the protagonists and everyone who appeared to of died is just fine."
I'am okay with people surviving and the occasional change of heart but -every- -freakin- time. Magician doesn't end like that, FMA and Yu Yu Hakusho (iirc) don't end most like that, Tower of God has a pretty black/white casting without too many powershifts. Fairy Tail is probably the worst example, I think around 5 straight arcs had at least 1 guy from the other side joining FT, but it made up for it during the Magic Games and the bikini contest. Yuyu has Hieh and Karama. Both of which happen in the first 5? Episodes. There's also "Fisherman" and all the Psychics except for Doctor and Sniper. Also (while not "end-game" villains), there's Jin, Touya, Shishi Wakamaru, Rinku, and Chu from Dark Tournament.
Tournament guys get a pass on account of something something good guys don't kill in tournaments unless they have to.
|
On March 15 2014 04:32 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 04:18 Cixah wrote:IDK, the last "ninja" fight was the + Show Spoiler +Chidori vs Rasengan fight on the river of the 1st. . Every point after that to me has been just Mages throwing spells at each other and nothing particualarly "Ninja-feeling." I guess you could call the Chick who was Pain's Sister the most Ninja like, but even the Pain fight itself wasn't anything other than the White Wizard (Naruto, being on with nature) vs a Lich (Pain who was fighting from 9192839182764501723971231 miles a way with rod magic, a phylactery). + Show Spoiler +
that was one of my least favourite fights. How is throwing chidori and rasengan against each other interesting at all? Mages and Ninjas is just semantics, every other fight has been constantly using their signature techniques against each other. Like the shikamaru vs hidan fight? How is that a mage battle. What about the puppet fight? The Minato fight vs Tobi? Naruto vs Pain a mage fight? Eh, there was lots of cool shit before he went apeshit foxmode, so much baited and outsmarted with shadow clones and transformations and frog summons Sasuke vs Itachi was magey a bit I guess toward the end.
I don't see how someone who transforms into paper more like a ninja than a mage wtffffff?????
fighting in close combat or long range physically with the aid of techniques is ninja fighting. Throwing shurikens and setting traps or fighting close up is so cool and not shitty naruto going fox mode and sasuke going cursed seal level 2 thats just dragon ball z power up shit
+ Show Spoiler +I had forgotten about the Puppet Fight. That one is pretty bitchin. The part in particular I liked was before all the power up shit where Sasuke is whooping the shit out of naruto, then naruto gets like 1 good hit in and both are like on the water doing all sorts of water walking crap. I just find that part particularly interesting.
Shiki vs Hidan was one of those fights where I was more impressed by how OUT of character Shiki got to exact his revenge. I get emotions run high and what not, but good lord that was evil shit.
|
On March 15 2014 04:25 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 04:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 15 2014 04:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 15 2014 04:10 red_ wrote:
I think if anyone that has played League as much as pretty much everyone here has, took like 1 weekend to play some games with some of us dirty DotA players, they would come out feeling plenty comfortable with the game, unless they're expecting to be 4k MMR super quick or something. Disagree. I know how DotA works, I know SOME of the items/mechanics and whatnot, but it will be a hell of a long time before I'd ever be comfortable enough with that game to play it all the time. I'd have to: a) Know who all the heroes are and what they do b) Learn all the items, and have a general idea of what to build and when. That in itself I imagine will take around 50-100 games. We've talked about this before I think, but it's just too much effort for me. Nah, I agree with red. If you spent an entire weekend playing with people who know what they're doing, you'd learn enough of it to be comfortable playing. I do enjoy dota, just haven't been in the mood to play it lately. I've done this before. It wasn't enough. Not to say I don't enjoy having my ass exploded by OP shit every so often 'cause it's kinda hilarious, but I don't enjoy the game on a high level and I never will because of the effort that will require.
I mean, I don't even play the game at a high level(my team MMR has been hovering at 3.8k, proudly the lowest in Yangostack), but I'm certainly comfortable playing around in it, especially in ability draft. I also still don't understand every minute interaction in the game, it's hardly a requirement for being a decent, above average player.
Maybe I just have a different mindset, /shrug.
|
On March 15 2014 04:38 Cixah wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 04:32 Slayer91 wrote:On March 15 2014 04:18 Cixah wrote:IDK, the last "ninja" fight was the + Show Spoiler +Chidori vs Rasengan fight on the river of the 1st. . Every point after that to me has been just Mages throwing spells at each other and nothing particualarly "Ninja-feeling." I guess you could call the Chick who was Pain's Sister the most Ninja like, but even the Pain fight itself wasn't anything other than the White Wizard (Naruto, being on with nature) vs a Lich (Pain who was fighting from 9192839182764501723971231 miles a way with rod magic, a phylactery). + Show Spoiler +
that was one of my least favourite fights. How is throwing chidori and rasengan against each other interesting at all? Mages and Ninjas is just semantics, every other fight has been constantly using their signature techniques against each other. Like the shikamaru vs hidan fight? How is that a mage battle. What about the puppet fight? The Minato fight vs Tobi? Naruto vs Pain a mage fight? Eh, there was lots of cool shit before he went apeshit foxmode, so much baited and outsmarted with shadow clones and transformations and frog summons Sasuke vs Itachi was magey a bit I guess toward the end.
I don't see how someone who transforms into paper more like a ninja than a mage wtffffff?????
fighting in close combat or long range physically with the aid of techniques is ninja fighting. Throwing shurikens and setting traps or fighting close up is so cool and not shitty naruto going fox mode and sasuke going cursed seal level 2 thats just dragon ball z power up shit
+ Show Spoiler +I had forgotten about the Puppet Fight. That one is pretty bitchin. The part in particular I liked was before all the power up shit where Sasuke is whooping the shit out of naruto, then naruto gets like 1 good hit in and both are like on the water doing all sorts of water walking crap. I just find that part particularly interesting.
Shiki vs Hidan was one of those fights where I was more impressed by how OUT of character Shiki got to exact his revenge. I get emotions run high and what not, but good lord that was evil shit.
+ Show Spoiler +
I don't remember any interesting water walking shit, like they just walk on water just because they can and if they get knocked in they climb out because they can, might as well just be on land.
it was just like a copy of Goku vs Majin Vegeta. Beating each other up constantly to no real damage and then the bad guy barely wins at the end
how was shikmaru out of character? it was exactly in character to plan out everything as much as possible, he's always been lazy about everything EXCEPT when it comes to his comrades
|
On March 15 2014 04:28 Cixah wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 04:26 Crusnik wrote:On March 15 2014 04:20 Parnage wrote:
Can someone point me to the shonen that doesn't end every arc with "and the current villian doesn't die but becomes friends with the protagonists and everyone who appeared to of died is just fine."
I'am okay with people surviving and the occasional change of heart but -every- -freakin- time. Magician doesn't end like that, FMA and Yu Yu Hakusho (iirc) don't end most like that, Tower of God has a pretty black/white casting without too many powershifts. Fairy Tail is probably the worst example, I think around 5 straight arcs had at least 1 guy from the other side joining FT, but it made up for it during the Magic Games and the bikini contest. Yuyu has Hieh and Karama. Both of which happen in the first 5? Episodes. There's also "Fisherman" and all the Psychics except for Doctor and Sniper.
MOTHERFUCKING PSYREN
BEST SHOUNEN EVAR
Actually I don't know if it'd be classified as technically Shounen, but it more or less is. It's got all the good powerlevel and ability stuff without every fight being "friendship beats bad guys!!1!"
And yeah, FMA is kind of the quintessential awesome Shounen. If you start going more towards Seinen, you could also list things like Deadman Wonderland (even though parts of that are kinda won with friendship, it's not the main plot), the first half of Gantz before it went fucking stupid, and Zetman which is sporadic but awesome.
I need to start reading more manga/watching more anime again.
|
On March 15 2014 04:35 Slayer91 wrote:
ive heard of it, but never about it, is it in anime?
Unfortunately not, I would watch the shit out of it though if it was. Full Color pages, insane depth, betrayal, loss, love, amazing fights, it was everything you would want. Being able to see Enryu fight would be awesome as well, being able to turn the atmosphere red just being there and being a boss is what makes him one of the greatest Irregulars in the series, although he hasn't actually been shown yet 
|
a huge problem for me with the friendship beats bad guys is that its always flashbacks and trying to protect someone and not actually people working together
like teams working together well to gangbang is a lot harder to imagine but would actually be a realistic testament to the power of friendship, to which any LoL players can relate when playing against a fed team that's playing really cocky and you make an epic comeback
On March 15 2014 04:47 Crusnik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 04:35 Slayer91 wrote:
ive heard of it, but never about it, is it in anime? Unfortunately not, I would watch the shit out of it though if it was. Full Color pages, insane depth, betrayal, loss, love, amazing fights, it was everything you would want. Being able to see Enryu fight would be awesome as well, being able to turn the atmosphere red just being there and being a boss is what makes him one of the greatest Irregulars in the series, although he hasn't actually been shown yet
thing is im mostly just interesting in amazing fights out of that list
my feels for characters is directly related to how awesome they are in fights
(mostly)
.
.
+ Show Spoiler +3rd hokage pls (((( THE WILL OF FIRE LIVES ON
|
On March 15 2014 04:48 Slayer91 wrote:a huge problem for me with the friendship beats bad guys is that its always flashbacks and trying to protect someone and not actually people working together like teams working together well to gangbang is a lot harder to imagine but would actually be a realistic testament to the power of friendship, to which any LoL players can relate when playing against a fed team that's playing really cocky and you make an epic comeback Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 04:47 Crusnik wrote:On March 15 2014 04:35 Slayer91 wrote:
ive heard of it, but never about it, is it in anime? Unfortunately not, I would watch the shit out of it though if it was. Full Color pages, insane depth, betrayal, loss, love, amazing fights, it was everything you would want. Being able to see Enryu fight would be awesome as well, being able to turn the atmosphere red just being there and being a boss is what makes him one of the greatest Irregulars in the series, although he hasn't actually been shown yet thing is im mostly just interesting in amazing fights out of that list
Which is why it's fucking awesome any time Vash and Wolfwood fight together in Trigun: Maximum. Especially the climactic fight in volume 10.
ooooh that fight tho
|
I'm here to personally advocate Tower of God as the new Jesus Manhwa of our time. It's pretty damn good, full color with a release each week, and very few fights come down to raw strength (or that "strength of will" bullshit that always happens in Shounen). Seriously Req I know you keep putting it off but DAYUM JUST READ IT HOMBRE
|
http://www.thespectrum.net/ Has pretty much every manga that's been discussed here, plus the normal ones like Dragon Ball, Rurouni Kenshin, Blade of the Immortal (great series). it's more particular in what series's it hosts, but it hosts a lot of the greats. Shin Angyo Onshi is a pretty good series as well.
www.batoto.com has a much wider variety in terms of what the host, but it does miss chapters since certain groups don't allow rehosting so you need to go to their site to keep reading some series.
ToG has amazing fights and epic weapons, the first time you see Green April's ignition form is freaky. The flash back with Pandemonium, the most recent fights in the Workshop Battles. Part One has a lot of decent fights, but it's mostly games with fighting as a side objective, part 2 has a lot more awesome battles.
On March 15 2014 04:53 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I'm here to personally advocate Tower of God as the new Jesus Manhwa of our time. It's pretty damn good, full color with a release each week, and very few fights come down to raw strength (or that "strength of will" bullshit that always happens in Shounen). Seriously Req I know you keep putting it off but DAYUM JUST READ IT HOMBRE
This. The MC gets his ass beat a few times as well, and earns the respect of a dude ranked Top 5 in the Tower.
|
On March 15 2014 01:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 00:41 phyvo wrote:On March 14 2014 21:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 14 2014 13:58 phyvo wrote:
Just came back from smashing grounds project melee weekly.
that was a lot of fun
outside of getting my memory card stolen
smashers super nice though and offered to replace it. woah woah woah where was this and why was I not invited edit: IT'S IN WALTHAM?! That's where my DnD/Magic/etc. friends are, and also where my sister lives lol. Damnit, that's too far of a drive to make for a Thursday night. I wish this was closer. It's in Framingham., about 21 minutes west of waltham center. I guess it would still probably be too long of a drive... still at least 1 hour and registration was 6:30-7 (you could call ahead if you needed to), PM tourney tried to start at 7:00, though you could arrive later to play mid-tourney friendlies if you wanted to. It's too bad I already have a ton of stuff going on Thursday night or I would have been there every week since Feb. I didn't compete in the tournament but for some games you could see me on stream in the audience (efame achieved)! I also did a lot better in friendlies than I expected for someone who had never touched PM before and practices smash once a year, though I only consistently beat another guy who only had melee experience. hmmm... that's incredibly tempting - I would love to have people to play with
You should definitely come on the 27th, that's the next time I'll be there. =)
|
On March 15 2014 04:37 Parnage wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 04:31 AsmodeusXI wrote:On March 15 2014 04:28 Cixah wrote:On March 15 2014 04:26 Crusnik wrote:On March 15 2014 04:20 Parnage wrote:
Can someone point me to the shonen that doesn't end every arc with "and the current villian doesn't die but becomes friends with the protagonists and everyone who appeared to of died is just fine."
I'am okay with people surviving and the occasional change of heart but -every- -freakin- time. Magician doesn't end like that, FMA and Yu Yu Hakusho (iirc) don't end most like that, Tower of God has a pretty black/white casting without too many powershifts. Fairy Tail is probably the worst example, I think around 5 straight arcs had at least 1 guy from the other side joining FT, but it made up for it during the Magic Games and the bikini contest. Yuyu has Hieh and Karama. Both of which happen in the first 5? Episodes. There's also "Fisherman" and all the Psychics except for Doctor and Sniper. Also (while not "end-game" villains), there's Jin, Touya, Shishi Wakamaru, Rinku, and Chu from Dark Tournament. Tournament guys get a pass on account of something something good guys don't kill in tournaments unless they have to.
Yu-yu-hakusho actually have very relatable characters though that actually make sense. The characters stick by their morals and don't randomly snap and create giant blood soaked corpse trees because a fucking girl died. There are power levels too, but they aren't ridiculous leaps. There is a natural progression. Idk, I just feel like Kishi isn't a very good writer in general. His earlier work was good, and I think he has some good ideas, but he tends to not understand pacing and how to properly create power levels and tends to randomly swing beliefs too readily. It's like "oh i'm your mortal enemy....lolol jk nvm i'm actually gonna help ya."
Like look at Touya and Jin who you could see from the start were really honorable and loyal, and detest foul play, something completely different from the others on their team (although Gamma seemed to be similar to them). Compare that to someone like Obito who talks about comrades and not leaving them behind, then ends up going batshit insane because the girl he liked died and ends up trying to destroy the entire fucking world. Like jesus christ.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
