EPTAny 100% mandatory cards for a GW control deck? Something like a Courser of Kruphix, which seems to combo really well with the scry ability tagged to so many white cards.
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GreenManalishi
Canada834 Posts
Any 100% mandatory cards for a GW control deck? Something like a Courser of Kruphix, which seems to combo really well with the scry ability tagged to so many white cards. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On February 25 2014 13:54 GreenManalishi wrote: Thanks. I'll have to spend some time deciding what kind of deck I want to run, and then do some theory crafting. For lands, do most people run things like Guildgates or shock lands, or are base lands sufficient? If I'm running a GW deck, is it necessary to buy 4 of the Selesnya Guildgate? Guildgates are usually pretty bad and you should avoid using too many of them if you can help it. However, they're pretty cheap to get. Go with the Theros scrylands and the Ravnica shocklands. You can maybe add 1~2 of the guildgates to help with your mana, but you don't want to be running a playset of any of them. Rest should be basics. The relevant non-basics for GW are Temple of Plenty (2~4x depending on your curve), Temple Garden (4x most likely), and Selesnya Guildgate (1~2x if you really need the mana fixing). However, Temple Garden isn't a guildgate and also isn't a Theros block card so you may not be able to play it. If that's the case, you might have to 4-of Temple of Plenty and/or Selesnya Guildgate. GW tends to not be control, but is usually either aggro, midrange/monsters (big fatties). GW in Theros block is probably some combination of powerful heroic guys with strong auras and ramp into monstrous fatties. | ||
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On February 25 2014 14:39 Cixah wrote: I'm playing BW Humans right now and only have 2 guild gates because I don't have the Mutavaults to put there. It depends on what you want to do, simply because the Shocks and Scry lands are much better and usually fill your deck out better for more aggressive decks. GW "Control" will most likely play 2 or 3 Guildgates, but you may as well add the blue and go Bant so that you have access to 3 different scry/shock sets. Not to mention being a real control deck with finishers like Jace and Elspeth and UG Walker who's name I can't remember. I don't think Kiora (UG walker) really fits in a control shell, but that's just me. It also seems like it'd be really really hard to play control without blue/red/black in Theros block since thats where all the good counterspells and removal are. Re-reading the original post, it seems that GreenManalishi is talking more about midrange/monsters rather than control. Control in Hearthstone is more akin to midrange/Jund type decks than control in MTG. There's no "control" archetype (in the MTG sense) in Hearthstone since there's virtually no permission type effects and the removal aren't nearly as good. | ||
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
On February 25 2014 14:42 Ryuu314 wrote: I don't think Kiora (UG walker) really fits in a control shell, but that's just me. It also seems like it'd be really really hard to play control without blue/red/black in Theros block since thats where all the good counterspells and removal are. Re-reading the original post, it seems that GreenManalishi is talking more about midrange/monsters rather than control. Control in Hearthstone is more akin to midrange/Jund type decks than control in MTG. She complements Jace well. The two of them are able to protect each other until you are able to play your Elspeth for true protection. I'm not saying she like stupid good like AJV is, but they fill similar roles in that bant set up. I would agree that GW is more midrange right now, which would benefit from around 2 or 3 Guildgates, simply because of how color intensive your cards are. The majority of your 4-5 drops in that deck require either WW or GG, which means having the lands that produce both is much important. I've got a Bant Control list I like, but it loses pretty hard to RG monsters right now. Maybe when I have more money I can play that. Either way this is all just speculation. Personally I'd prefer to turn dudes side ways in GW, and without vengevine in the format (RIP) I don't want to play that deck. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
On February 25 2014 15:21 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Say what you want about me, I still make a damn good ramen. Don't leave us hanging bro. How do you make it? | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On February 25 2014 15:23 Chrispy wrote: Don't leave us hanging bro. How do you make it? It's a piece of If the way is hazy You gotta do the cooking by the book You know you can't be lazy Never use a messy recipe The If you do the cooking by the book Then you'll have | ||
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Gahlo
United States35166 Posts
On February 25 2014 15:52 GhandiEAGLE wrote: It's a piece of If the way is hazy You gotta do the cooking by the book You know you can't be lazy Never use a messy recipe The If you do the cooking by the book Then you'll have + Show Spoiler [nsfw] + | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
I'm off to another MtGO marathon for the next few days and I'm trying to build a good and competitive Maze's End deck. And if possible kinda budget. Has any of you here played the archetype recently ? | ||
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On February 25 2014 16:00 Cixah wrote: I've heard it's strictly worse than all the control deck right now so why would they. UW beats it easily, BW "Control" also beats it because Pack Rat. The aggro decks also give it a hard time, but it does well again the Devotion Decks. Unless you're main decking Pithing Needles (Not recommended) you're gunna get beat up by lots of things. I fail to understand how UW would even come close to beating it. It can't interact with its win condition and can't race it. Aetherling can't get a clean hit because the UW player will have fewer counters than the Maze's end player has fogs. I have no idea how UW can beat Maze's end in fact, outside of maybe 10 turns of mutavault beatdown. And saying Pack rat is a good card against a deck maining 6 Wraths and 4 Detention spheres also feels weird. Did you actually play the deck ? | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
On February 25 2014 16:09 mr_tolkien wrote: I fail to understand how UW would even come close to beating it. It can't interact with its win condition and can't race it. Aetherling can't get a clean hit because the UW player will have fewer counters than the Maze's end player has fogs. I have no idea how UW can beat Maze's end in fact, outside of maybe 10 turns of mutavault beatdown. And saying Pack rat is a good card against a deck maining 6 Wraths and 4 Detention spheres also feels weird. Did you actually play the deck ? I'd have to see what list you have in mind. This is all word of mouth simply from what friends of mine have been testing for PTQs, so you might very well be right seeing as how I've been playing standard for about 2 weeks. UW can kill you with elspeth, but it comes down to the number of fogs vs the number on counters just like in other "Turbo Fog" matchups. Your win condition just happens to actually win the game, rather than take numerous turns to grind them out. | ||
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IMoperator
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 25 2014 16:44 IMoperator wrote: well i found out today you can be ip banned from twitchtv lol TIL you can actually be so toxic that you're banned by twitch.tv | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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IMoperator
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 25 2014 17:16 IMoperator wrote: ok here's how i got banned: there's this guy on another site i go to that streams league, so i went to his channel to troll him and he would just ban my accounts basically instantly whenever i typed in chat. so i just kept remaking new accounts and i guess twitch doesnt like that. Literally more toxic than csheep and roffles. Seriously, first all the teammate blame shit you post on GD, and now you managed to fucking get ip banned on twitch. Jesus Christ you need to see a psychologist. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
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