EPTWhile obviously disturbing, objectively it was really interesting to watch. But I'd really love to know the context of the situation.
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jcarlsoniv
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While obviously disturbing, objectively it was really interesting to watch. But I'd really love to know the context of the situation. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On February 23 2014 02:23 ComaDose wrote: Oops sry... ... Fuck Just going to note: Canadian. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 23 2014 01:48 jcarlsoniv wrote: Could someone explain what exactly is going on in the Ukraine? I knew there was some shit going on, but I just watched a 41 min video and...I had no idea. Citizens slow pushing their position while being fired upon, groups of people tending to those wounded and carrying their bodies to what I assume must have been a medical area. While obviously disturbing, objectively it was really interesting to watch. But I'd really love to know the context of the situation. Short story. The rioters want Ukraine to join up with EU association. | ||
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Duvon
Sweden2360 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 23 2014 02:47 Duvon wrote: And Russia don't want that. It's also important to note that the population of Ukraine is split on it as well. The thing is, Kiev just happens to have a higher concentration of those who want to join EU. The riots do not mirror the overall Ukranian sentiment, only about 50%. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
edit: I know very little about Ukraine | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On February 23 2014 02:52 jcarlsoniv wrote: I'm confused - join EU in what way? edit: I know very little about Ukraine All countries in EU aren't in the European Union. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23466 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On February 23 2014 02:50 wei2coolman wrote: It's also important to note that the population of Ukraine is split on it as well. The thing is, Kiev just happens to have a higher concentration of those who want to join EU. The riots do not mirror the overall Ukranian sentiment, only about 50%. It's okay, they voted 328-0 to impeach him today. Apparently people disagree with firing on their own unarmed citizens. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
Just trying to actually understand, since American news is fucking ass | ||
MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23466 Posts
On February 23 2014 03:30 jcarlsoniv wrote: And would anyone be able to explain the benefits to joining EU vs not doing so? And why even the citizens are "split"? Just trying to actually understand, since American news is fucking ass its like trying to steal the enemies blue buff its a risky investment and you might lose a lot of farm but good in the long run the enemy team in this analogy is russia not that im an expert but its like heavy investment from the EU to get ukraine up to standards but then trade benefits vs russia wants ukraines shit | ||
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Duvon
Sweden2360 Posts
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On February 23 2014 03:30 jcarlsoniv wrote: And would anyone be able to explain the benefits to joining EU vs not doing so? And why even the citizens are "split"? Just trying to actually understand, since American news is fucking ass The question is a matter of where the people of Ukraine see their future. Membership of the EU provides many privileges such as the open market of the EU (which acts as a free trade and free movement zone) which would provide many economic advantages. The association of being part of the EU also strengthens Ukraine on the international stage as they would be able to negotiate from the position as a member of the EU rather than just a state. There would also be other intangible benefits such as the implicit support from the rest of the EU nations on matters (e.g. legal, financial). One key problem atm is that Russia still constitutes a large trade partner, and Ukraine also relies on its energy needs from Russian gas. (The EU as a whole imports a lot of Russian gas but this leads to a separate economical-political problem that is a far larger issue and this post is insufficient to explain.) Russia in recent times has also exerted a lot of influence to its satellite nations, which has the function of providing a buffer zone from mainland European influence. The issue if the citizens being split comes from many reasons such as ethnicity, demographics, education, etc. Suffice to say, there was great disappointment when Yanukovych declined EU overtures of greater co-operation and chose instead to court Russian money. (Part due to people seeing a better future with the EU than Russia, part because it was a unilateral decision, part because of suspicion over Russian influence.) However the protests later became a focal point for greater dissatisfaction with the political system as a whole. For example, the parliamentary elections were considered extremely unfair, and corruption is considered institutionalised. This is however a very superficial look at the situation and I recommend further reading since there are a lot of other aspects I have not covered. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On February 23 2014 03:40 MoonBear wrote: This is however a very superficial look at the situation and I recommend further reading since there are a lot of other aspects I have not covered. It's a hell of a lot better than what I'm getting from American news sources, so thanks. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On February 23 2014 03:53 jcarlsoniv wrote: no, see, but barely any news sources are talking much about it at all Eh? Anytime I walk by my dad the news is covering it. lol | ||
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