EPTArticuno's still the best tho. So pretty.
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
Articuno's still the best tho. So pretty. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 26 2014 05:03 caelym wrote: your legend rogue deck might have not applied enough pressure and was too slow. My biggest criticism of the list you posted is that you have way too many singletons. You want to double up on good cards like yeti for consistency. Take out random stuff like jungle panther. Add in leeroy and tink. I think 1 sap is enough. Also you must craft eviserate for rogue decks. Pretty much what caelym said. I personally wouldn't bother with Sap at all but I can see why you might want to keep it--you're going to have a hard time keeping slots for it if you craft real removal like 2xEviscerate and 1-2 Blade Flurry (once you get Blade Flurries, I would ditch FoK). You need to figure out which 2/3/4 drops you actually *want* rather than just having singles of things cuz those cards are nice to have around. The exception to this for Rogues is Defias Ringleader, which is fine as a one-of because you like seeing it in your opening hand if you can mulligan into it, but it kind of blows to draw into, so you don't really care to have two. Having like 2 SSC 2 Crusader would be more stable than splitting your 3-drops 4 different ways (though personally I think Harvest Golem would get more mileage than either). Likewise the cases where a Master of Disguise actually does you more good than a 2nd Yeti aren't that common. Nightblade and Stormpike Commando blow--if you need higher drops, Boulderfist Ogre and Stormwind Champion give you the biggest bang for your buck among basic cards. | ||
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remedium
United States939 Posts
On January 26 2014 05:03 caelym wrote: your legend rogue deck might have not applied enough pressure and was too slow. My biggest criticism of the list you posted is that you have way too many singletons. You want to double up on good cards like yeti for consistency. Take out random stuff like jungle panther. Add in leeroy and tink. I think 1 sap is enough. Also you must craft eviserate for rogue decks. Took your advice and adjusted a bit (also removed Nightblade just for you, Alaric  ). Won the first game I played (vs pally) but the other guy seemed kinda worse than me.+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/IM6Tqeo.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/K9Tun0r.png) I have trouble knowing when to drop Leeroy and the Argent Commanders. Should I try to save them for lethal combo with Cold Blood and Eviscerate, or is it okay to use them for advantageous trades? I'm also not sure how to handle strong creatures and taunty things without mass saps/assassinates. I really like trading saps for turn 4 yeti/shieldmasta, for example. Is this just something that people learn to deal with through experience? edit: just saw Yango's post, so nothing here reflects that advice. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
EDIT: Another mid-lategame card that's good for Rogues is Spiteful Smith. Even with more cards I wouldn't feel bad about running 1. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
This is a base I would use based on what you've shown that you have over the last few posts. It's not complete but you can fill out the last 7 cards based on what you have. If you have/can craft Blade Flurry, definitely at least 1, if not 2, goes in. If not, you probably want to run one-of FoK. 2nd Assassinate depends on what else your creature base has/your curve looks. I've seen some Rogue decks use Gadgetzan Auctioneer given the spell base allows for it, but they're not necessary and not that useful in many other decks, so I understand if you don't want to craft them (I don't have any and don't use them in my Rogue list). Don't cut Deadly Poison to 1, that's fucking stupid. Deadly Poison is one of the best Rogue cards. EDIT: Missed that you had a Defender of Argus. | ||
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On January 26 2014 06:03 Tooplark wrote: Well, Articuno has the 4x weakness to rock. In fact, Articuno's typing is almost strictly worse than Moltres's. The only thing Articuno has over Moltres is a neutrality to Water attacks instead of a weakness. Articuno's still the best tho. So pretty. Zapdos is OU/UU, Moltres is OU/RU and Articuno is RU/NU. Clearly there is a pecking order. @Remedium: Do you have Dark Iron Dwarves? | ||
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caelym
United States6421 Posts
you use argent to trade favorable with their creatures (unless you have lethal). you save leeroy for the finishing blow, unless you have to take out one of their large dudes. | ||
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remedium
United States939 Posts
On January 26 2014 06:27 MoonBear wrote: Zapdos is OU/UU, Moltres is OU/RU and Articuno is RU/NU. Clearly there is a pecking order. @Remedium: Do you have Dark Iron Dwarves? Those are the one thing I haven't come across any of at all  | ||
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Gahlo
United States35167 Posts
On January 26 2014 06:27 MoonBear wrote: Zapdos is OU/UU, Moltres is OU/RU and Articuno is RU/NU. Clearly there is a drill pecking order. @Remedium: Do you have Dark Iron Dwarves? FTFY | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
But since I don't use loot hoarders either (because of my irrational hate of mages) and I don't have Azure drakes yet I'm low on drawing power save for the one-off Sprint, which makes the cantrip more appealing. I also use a Sunfury protector because I haven't crafted Defender of Argus yet. I'd rather take Assassinate over Sap, but that's maybe because I'm looking for some kind of board control when I play Rogue, rather than straight-up aggressive "to the face" style. Sap gives you tempo because of how cheap it is so it can remove a dangerous taunt or make harmful battlecries "more expensive", however if your opponent drops something that you won't have an answer to anyway, you only buy one turn and Sap becomes situational (like if you'll have lethal next turn for example). After experimenting I settled on one assassinate because it can easily be a dead card, while being so precious sometimes (such as against druids) than you don't want to waste it. Plus it's super expansive at 5 mana compared to Swipe (AoE so you can very easily justify 2), Hex, Polymorph, etc. | ||
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remedium
United States939 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/yVl3mYR.png) Things I don't have: 2nd DoA Any Dark Iron Dwarves Random things I have that may be better than the last few cards (Spellbreaker, Sap): + Show Spoiler + Preparation x1 Shadow Step x1 Knife Juggler x2 Master Swordsmith x1 Demolisher x2 Questing Adventurer x1 Mind Control Tech x1 Twilight Drake x1 Violet Teacher x1 Gadgetzan Auctioneer x1 A second Spiteful Smith (overkill?) Venture Co. Merc x2 Abomination x2 Gruul x1 | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
EDIT: nm you posted before me I'd use a 2nd SSC over Sap, but one-of Sap is fine, I just don't like the card that much. Nothing you have stands out to me as being significantly better than the one-of Spellbreaker even though it feels awkward. | ||
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caelym
United States6421 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 26 2014 06:51 Alaric wrote: Eh, what I like too about FoK is that it's a cantrip and it's also "immediate". Blade Flurry is at least 4 mana for 1 damage on all, with the potential to grow if you have another weapon, a spiteful smith, or deadly poison to apply (but with the corresponding mana cost). I don't see it as easy to use unless you're already in the lead because of the setup (and I tend to favor Betrayal for AoE when I'm behind). You don't use a weapon solely to Blade Flurry and you rarely Blade Flurry off the Wicked Knife. The thing is, most of the real engines of the deck result in you using a weapon at some point or another anyway, and the low cost of Blade Flurry means you don't have to feel bad about using it on a not-too-full board. Betrayal's value is highly variable based on your opponent playing around it--it's often quite hard to get a blowout betrayal if your opponent knows what he's doing not to play into it. This is why most evaluations of Rogue cards put it well below the reliable removal spells (Backstab, Eviscerate, Deadly Poison, Assassinate). On January 26 2014 07:01 caelym wrote: that's a good list. you can probably get rank 10 with that. It's certainly better than my Rogue list, but that's because I'm a stingy fuck and refuse to craft things and dusted my Defenders of Argus. Other than the 2nd Argus, most of the upgrades I'd make to that list are legendaries (Thalnos, Cairne, Pagle, etc.), so you should be quite satisfied to use that list for quite a while. | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
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remedium
United States939 Posts
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Frudgey
Canada3367 Posts
On January 26 2014 06:03 Tooplark wrote: Well, Articuno has the 4x weakness to rock. In fact, Articuno's typing is almost strictly worse than Moltres's. The only thing Articuno has over Moltres is a neutrality to Water attacks instead of a weakness. Articuno's still the best tho. So pretty. You crushed my logic in no time flat. I'm impressed. Is this the part where I pledge eternal servitude to Tooplark? You've clearly shown that you are indeed my superior. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
What are you using your dust on, then? I mean, theorically. I get that you don't want to "waste" it for a fad, but now that the cards aren't going to be patched anymore, isn't it stable enough that if you can identify good all-around cards (like DoD or SSC) you can "safely" craft them for your decks in general? I'm using a Mad Bomber however, as additional removal. But with only him, Nat Pagle, 2x Faerie Dragon, Ooze, Bloodsail Raider, and a Sunfury Protector, I'm not too sure about my turn 2 plays. Edit: dang, Trump's Hunter arena is already at 10-0... oh. He has 2 Highmanes. It helps. x) Nvm he got 3, and Bestial Wrath is an amazing card. 10-1 now, but the deck that took him down was so ridiculously good... wow. The shitty rogue deck that got me to 8 wins had nothing on any of these, I really got lucky when I had this run. I should just get up earlier so I can play arena at peak hours now that it's the open beta I guess. Welp, 12-1 he did it. | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
On January 26 2014 07:36 Frudgey wrote: You crushed my logic in no time flat. I'm impressed. Is this the part where I pledge eternal servitude to Tooplark? You've clearly shown that you are indeed my superior. Yango is still at least one tier above me at random game knowledge. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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