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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
September 07 2013 08:52 GMT
#1361
On September 07 2013 17:09 Seuss wrote:
Random Tangent:

People should be more selfish in the IHs. I don't mean you should all be jerks, but that when champion select starts you should have a clear idea of what you want to play. There's nothing more difficult for those of us who usually drive the "What the hell are we banning/picking?" discussion than to have four people who all don't care what they're playing.

If four people all say, "I want to jungle." AWESOME. We at least know there's a problem and we can be like, "Well you can't all jungle." and figure things out. When you all say, "Whatever." the time that would normally get spent working out what sort of a team composition/plan we want gets spent figuring out who is doing what role.

This is all compounded by the fact that people tend to spend the ban phase talking about other stuff rather than the game at hand, if they're even at their keyboard.

tl;dr: Throw your team a bone and pick a role, conflicts be damned.

I don't understand why people can't be more assertive. I pretty much echo your sentiments, Monty.
Part of the reason why I forced everyone to register is so they can actually ask themselves when they sign up, what they want to improve on. If anything, people should be consistently asking for roles over and over again. Our problem should be too many people wanting the same role, but instead we typically have not enough people speaking up.

My TL;DR: Community bonding is good, I'm glad we have consistent turnout for these IH for over a month now. But srsly, drafting can be a lot better.
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
September 07 2013 08:58 GMT
#1362
Any VODs from today's games? Was anyone besides guitar recording?
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
September 07 2013 09:41 GMT
#1363
On September 07 2013 17:52 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 17:09 Seuss wrote:
Random Tangent:

People should be more selfish in the IHs. I don't mean you should all be jerks, but that when champion select starts you should have a clear idea of what you want to play. There's nothing more difficult for those of us who usually drive the "What the hell are we banning/picking?" discussion than to have four people who all don't care what they're playing.

If four people all say, "I want to jungle." AWESOME. We at least know there's a problem and we can be like, "Well you can't all jungle." and figure things out. When you all say, "Whatever." the time that would normally get spent working out what sort of a team composition/plan we want gets spent figuring out who is doing what role.

This is all compounded by the fact that people tend to spend the ban phase talking about other stuff rather than the game at hand, if they're even at their keyboard.

tl;dr: Throw your team a bone and pick a role, conflicts be damned.

I don't understand why people can't be more assertive. I pretty much echo your sentiments, Monty.
Part of the reason why I forced everyone to register is so they can actually ask themselves when they sign up, what they want to improve on. If anything, people should be consistently asking for roles over and over again. Our problem should be too many people wanting the same role, but instead we typically have not enough people speaking up.

My TL;DR: Community bonding is good, I'm glad we have consistent turnout for these IH for over a month now. But srsly, drafting can be a lot better.


Drafting as far as roles go could be a bit better. I'm fine with picks the way they are right now though. Drafting coherent teamcomps is difficult at best with the wide variety of skill levels. I'm of the opinion though that the lower level you are, the more you should focus on improving on just a couple of roles/champions, and call your roles more, and as you improve, expand your comfort range. While it's fun and often challenging for me to lane against people who are better than me(actually a fairly large number of them on TL), depending champion I'm on, I either can either learn a moderate amount on a new champion, or very little if at all if I'm on a comfort pick.

My opinion is still that you learn a lot more from a loss than a win, especially if you win hard. Losing, unless it's a very unfavorable matchup, has a tendency to reveal mistakes, and if your opponent knows which ones he exploited to win, you can improve very quickly with just a couple of games.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-07 10:06:32
September 07 2013 10:06 GMT
#1364
On September 07 2013 18:41 Amui wrote:I'm fine with picks the way they are right now though. Drafting coherent teamcomps is difficult at best with the wide variety of skill levels. I'm of the opinion though that the lower level you are, the more you should focus on improving on just a couple of roles/champions, and call your roles more, and as you improve, expand your comfort range.


Even if there isn't a coordinated effort to draft a certain team comp, time should be spent thinking about "who would function well for my team given the picks so far" and failing that "what is my role on the team we picked and how should we approach fights."

Picking a champion that fits well into a comp is an important skill to learn, and dealing with suboptimal team comps is too. Several inhouses I've played in would have gone much better for one team if they just asked themselves "How should we approach teamfights?" and identified the strengths and weaknesses of their team.
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
September 07 2013 10:35 GMT
#1365
Related to these topics, DURR took the BO1 of the best grudge match ever in Brood War history over me. =(


We had guest commentary by Roffles who dropped out about five minutes in claiming "these guys are s.hit". I think he meant to say "these guys are the s.hit" instead but he couldn't be reached for further commentary due to large binge drinking for some Lissandra plays earlier that night ...
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
September 07 2013 11:26 GMT
#1366
yeah i've learned a ton from inhouses by just demanding mid every game and then asking my team to first-pick kass so i have to play against whatever counterpick the enemy can throw at me. it's improved my kass game tenfold. i would say the same about my jungle kha'zix but everyone knows there's no counter to my jungle kha'zix so i guess there's not much to learn there 8^)

but yeah if you want to get better at something just demand to play it over and over until you get better. if you're here to play ADC and you get shuttled into jungle every game because "i can fill" then you're really wasting your own time in the inhouses
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Nemireck
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1875 Posts
September 07 2013 11:36 GMT
#1367
It think it's important to focus your practice as well.

The things I've learned on Nami since starting these inhouses have allowed me to nearly carry entire teams in some of my SoloQ games as I've taken a break from IH to climb the ladder a bit. The control I have over lane, and the number of times I've kept the carry alive in teamfights later in the game (not just my ADC, but whoever happens to ACTUALLY be carrying the game for us) have made games feel EASY down here in Silver.
Teamwork is awesome... As long as your team is doing all the work!
imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
September 07 2013 11:38 GMT
#1368
I would say my lee got better, but its only because lee is OP when you can talk to your teammates =/
im deaf
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
September 07 2013 14:31 GMT
#1369
On September 07 2013 17:52 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 17:09 Seuss wrote:
Random Tangent:

People should be more selfish in the IHs. I don't mean you should all be jerks, but that when champion select starts you should have a clear idea of what you want to play. There's nothing more difficult for those of us who usually drive the "What the hell are we banning/picking?" discussion than to have four people who all don't care what they're playing.

If four people all say, "I want to jungle." AWESOME. We at least know there's a problem and we can be like, "Well you can't all jungle." and figure things out. When you all say, "Whatever." the time that would normally get spent working out what sort of a team composition/plan we want gets spent figuring out who is doing what role.

This is all compounded by the fact that people tend to spend the ban phase talking about other stuff rather than the game at hand, if they're even at their keyboard.

tl;dr: Throw your team a bone and pick a role, conflicts be damned.

I don't understand why people can't be more assertive. I pretty much echo your sentiments, Monty.
Part of the reason why I forced everyone to register is so they can actually ask themselves when they sign up, what they want to improve on. If anything, people should be consistently asking for roles over and over again. Our problem should be too many people wanting the same role, but instead we typically have not enough people speaking up.

My TL;DR: Community bonding is good, I'm glad we have consistent turnout for these IH for over a month now. But srsly, drafting can be a lot better.

Welcome to the precise reason I demand top/support every game. It's actually easier to figure out whos playing what when people assert what they want. You posted here with a goal of what to improve, be loyal to that goal!
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
September 07 2013 14:59 GMT
#1370
On September 07 2013 20:38 imBLIND wrote:
I would say my lee got better, but its only because lee is OP when you can talk to your teammates =/

insec pls
Bronze player stuck in platinum
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
September 07 2013 15:36 GMT
#1371
On September 07 2013 19:35 KissBlade wrote:
Related to these topics, DURR took the BO1 of the best grudge match ever in Brood War history over me. =(


We had guest commentary by Roffles who dropped out about five minutes in claiming "these guys are s.hit". I think he meant to say "these guys are the s.hit" instead but he couldn't be reached for further commentary due to large binge drinking for some Lissandra plays earlier that night ...

Kiss.

Kiss.


Please.

+ Show Spoiler +

When did this happen? Sorry I missed it
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Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
September 07 2013 16:39 GMT
#1372
On September 07 2013 17:52 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 17:09 Seuss wrote:
Random Tangent:

People should be more selfish in the IHs. I don't mean you should all be jerks, but that when champion select starts you should have a clear idea of what you want to play. There's nothing more difficult for those of us who usually drive the "What the hell are we banning/picking?" discussion than to have four people who all don't care what they're playing.

If four people all say, "I want to jungle." AWESOME. We at least know there's a problem and we can be like, "Well you can't all jungle." and figure things out. When you all say, "Whatever." the time that would normally get spent working out what sort of a team composition/plan we want gets spent figuring out who is doing what role.

This is all compounded by the fact that people tend to spend the ban phase talking about other stuff rather than the game at hand, if they're even at their keyboard.

tl;dr: Throw your team a bone and pick a role, conflicts be damned.

I don't understand why people can't be more assertive. I pretty much echo your sentiments, Monty.
Part of the reason why I forced everyone to register is so they can actually ask themselves when they sign up, what they want to improve on. If anything, people should be consistently asking for roles over and over again. Our problem should be too many people wanting the same role, but instead we typically have not enough people speaking up.

My TL;DR: Community bonding is good, I'm glad we have consistent turnout for these IH for over a month now. But srsly, drafting can be a lot better.


Well then I know I'm good for just taking support every single game.
Hey! How you doin'?
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
September 07 2013 17:19 GMT
#1373
On September 08 2013 00:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 19:35 KissBlade wrote:
Related to these topics, DURR took the BO1 of the best grudge match ever in Brood War history over me. =(


We had guest commentary by Roffles who dropped out about five minutes in claiming "these guys are s.hit". I think he meant to say "these guys are the s.hit" instead but he couldn't be reached for further commentary due to large binge drinking for some Lissandra plays earlier that night ...

Kiss.

Kiss.


Please.

+ Show Spoiler +

When did this happen? Sorry I missed it


Happened last night while a bunch of us were on TS watching China/Korea Regionals.
ModeratorThe good and the wise lead quiet lives. Neo's #1 Frenemy and nightmare.
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2396 Posts
September 07 2013 17:20 GMT
#1374
On September 07 2013 17:09 Seuss wrote:
Random Tangent:

People should be more selfish in the IHs. I don't mean you should all be jerks, but that when champion select starts you should have a clear idea of what you want to play. There's nothing more difficult for those of us who usually drive the "What the hell are we banning/picking?" discussion than to have four people who all don't care what they're playing.

If four people all say, "I want to jungle." AWESOME. We at least know there's a problem and we can be like, "Well you can't all jungle." and figure things out. When you all say, "Whatever." the time that would normally get spent working out what sort of a team composition/plan we want gets spent figuring out who is doing what role.

This is all compounded by the fact that people tend to spend the ban phase talking about other stuff rather than the game at hand, if they're even at their keyboard.

tl;dr: Throw your team a bone and pick a role, conflicts be damned.


I totally agree with this, i'm guilty of this as well.

I think the lowbies should be asking constantly "what's a good pick here" whether they have it or not so they can develop a sense of drafting. Like yesterday Scip was talking a lot about picks from a jungler perspective. Like things you should think about other than X champ is stronger than Y champ. Some things were: the gankability (is that even a word?) of all the lanes at various points of laning phase, strength of 2v2/3v3s incase theres a countergank, the viability of rushing level 6 depending on the team, and of course overall teamfight impact.

Also i've been predicting monte's picks pretty well after my first few games seeing him and it's pretty cool to look at things from the other role's perspective.


Then it all goes to hell when aura plays his random champs
Disabled gamer - Diamond 3 (LoL) D+ Rank scrublord on BW. Bisu doesnt need DTs, He uses probes. just ask Flash.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
September 07 2013 17:40 GMT
#1375
On September 08 2013 02:20 xMiragex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 17:09 Seuss wrote:
Random Tangent:

People should be more selfish in the IHs. I don't mean you should all be jerks, but that when champion select starts you should have a clear idea of what you want to play. There's nothing more difficult for those of us who usually drive the "What the hell are we banning/picking?" discussion than to have four people who all don't care what they're playing.

If four people all say, "I want to jungle." AWESOME. We at least know there's a problem and we can be like, "Well you can't all jungle." and figure things out. When you all say, "Whatever." the time that would normally get spent working out what sort of a team composition/plan we want gets spent figuring out who is doing what role.

This is all compounded by the fact that people tend to spend the ban phase talking about other stuff rather than the game at hand, if they're even at their keyboard.

tl;dr: Throw your team a bone and pick a role, conflicts be damned.


I totally agree with this, i'm guilty of this as well.

I think the lowbies should be asking constantly "what's a good pick here" whether they have it or not so they can develop a sense of drafting. Like yesterday Scip was talking a lot about picks from a jungler perspective. Like things you should think about other than X champ is stronger than Y champ. Some things were: the gankability (is that even a word?) of all the lanes at various points of laning phase, strength of 2v2/3v3s incase theres a countergank, the viability of rushing level 6 depending on the team, and of course overall teamfight impact.

Also i've been predicting monte's picks pretty well after my first few games seeing him and it's pretty cool to look at things from the other role's perspective.


Then it all goes to hell when aura plays his random champs

god damn aura...
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
September 07 2013 17:45 GMT
#1376
One thing I didn't really talk about concerning picks that is quite important is the ability to outpush your opponents lvl2-5. That is very important if you want to be aggresive in the enemy jungle, but since neither Eve nor Amumu are very good picks for it (and there aren't many more junglers on that account) it didn't really come into play.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
September 07 2013 18:41 GMT
#1377
How do I find out one is about to start and they are looking for people? I'm not too tier, but I would like join in and try
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
September 07 2013 18:44 GMT
#1378
you dont have to be tier im terrible and they are really nice for the most part
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
September 07 2013 18:53 GMT
#1379
On September 08 2013 00:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 19:35 KissBlade wrote:
Related to these topics, DURR took the BO1 of the best grudge match ever in Brood War history over me. =(


We had guest commentary by Roffles who dropped out about five minutes in claiming "these guys are s.hit". I think he meant to say "these guys are the s.hit" instead but he couldn't be reached for further commentary due to large binge drinking for some Lissandra plays earlier that night ...

Kiss.

Kiss.


Please.

+ Show Spoiler +

When did this happen? Sorry I missed it



Don't worry I'll challenge him during the legendary rematch of the century later when we're bored and bs-ing around again I'm sure.
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
September 07 2013 18:54 GMT
#1380
On September 08 2013 03:41 Shelke14 wrote:
How do I find out one is about to start and they are looking for people? I'm not too tier, but I would like join in and try


Check the title bar at the very top of this thread. It'll always have the channel room for the day if there's one going up. Failing that, I usually will post one up at this thread around 7pm EST if I'm on and looking to start one.
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