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On June 28 2013 04:30 Shotcoder wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 01:01 Simberto wrote:
The best way to treat this is in my opinion to just look at bit like poker. The teammates/enemies are the hand you get. Your job is to make the best out of it. Some games you can't win, others you can't lose. The important games are the games in between, those where you can win a percentage depending on how good you are.
The Sona who gets hit by leona e? Depending on her position you can still win this trade if her AD has to walk a bit towards her, because you can just shoot the AD all the time. And if you can't win it, make sure you don't die too. Don't criticize what your teammate do, criticize what you do and optimize your own play in accordance to what your team does. This is such a cop out way of just saying play better. I'm not being a dick but you can't win games alone and if your team doesn't uderstand basic champion mechanics(like zed losing to a karthus in lane),understand basic champion cooldowns(sona getting e'd by a leona), objective control, ganking potential, diving potential..etc This is why I stopped duoing with my Silver friends. I'm tired of babysitting players and I feel you should bne held accountable for playing like shit or playing like a retard. Ing if you try your best and go 0/6 you should be reported but you should understand you fucked up somewhere really bad. That's the issue with solo queue, no one say 'oh I fucked up'. ,id roamed bot and you didn't have your shit warded bot side and they get 4 man dove under tower? That's on you mid laner don't blame lack of wards or lack of map awareness, you didn't follow, you didn't pressure, or you didn't ward. 3 possible thing that could have changed the outcome. people in solo queue don't ask 'what could I have done better?'. They rave about how bad the team is or how they got camped. I can distictly remember games where I died and I know I lapsed on a cait q cooldown or graves q cooldown.
No, it is a way of saying "Don't complain what your teammates do all the time, think about yourself". People are being held accountable for playing bad. That is what the Elo system (or whatever ranking system they now use) does. If you play bad, you lose, and you decline in rating. Noone will ever admit that they fucked up, that is the way people work. If they can blame someone else, they do. You are doing the exact same thing. Look at your own post.
You should not concentrate on the other players in the game, but on yourself. What could you have done to get a better result. Because there is no point in blaming the other players except to make yourself feel better.
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There's a big difference between saying "you should only focus on yourself" and "you should only blame yourself".
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Some games it's so frustrating to play adc. I'm 9-3-7 as caitlyn and we're slightly ahead. I have IE/PD/BT/QSS. My team is Xin Lux Zac Voli. They are Kat Ez Leona Nunu Riven. We have one of the best peeling teams you could even have. Every fight, Kat, Leona and Riven walk right past my front line to jump me. No one tries to cc them. Instead, the plan is to chase the bloodboiled blue Ez (with TF instead of muramana...) and Nunu around the map getting trolled, while I kite from Dragon pit to Baron, and past my net into jungle with 3 enemy flashes until Riven's retarded mobility catches up to me ffor the 3rd time and I can't cleanse the stuns. Our jungle voli also refused to ever give me red buff because he needed it "to catch Ezreal." Really? How do you get through to people that if everyone just stood near me and shot people that there is literally no way we could lose? How do people carry such games? We lose 3 more fights in which I get no peel and it's gg.
3 different opponents at the end of the game said "you guts know if you peeled for cait there is literally no way we could have run." My team's response? "Not our fault she is at our red while we are fighting around dragon." GG.
Also I think I am terrible at jungling. Everyone else builds glass cannon, so I basically always go full tank with aegis/locket, and I just die in teamfights after I initiate, everyone ignores me, and my whole team is dead.
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My power went out again and I lost another game that was probably an easy win. There weren't any weather issues, I waited like 20-30 minutes to make sure power was stable before starting another game.... and then it blinks out like 8 times in 5 minutes, before coming back for good like 40 minutes later. Sigh. SUMMER BROWNOUTS.
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i just had a game where our bot lane was so bad that their support just peaced the fuck out of bot lane and their ad carry still dominated the 2 guys on our team 
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I ran into the dreaded Ezreal. I've never seen one person throw a game so hard. Fed Draven 7 kills (+2 from the support) in teh first 11 minutes.
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On June 28 2013 08:39 upperbound wrote:
Some games it's so frustrating to play adc. I'm 9-3-7 as caitlyn and we're slightly ahead. I have IE/PD/BT/QSS. My team is Xin Lux Zac Voli. They are Kat Ez Leona Nunu Riven. We have one of the best peeling teams you could even have. Every fight, Kat, Leona and Riven walk right past my front line to jump me. No one tries to cc them. Instead, the plan is to chase the bloodboiled blue Ez (with TF instead of muramana...) and Nunu around the map getting trolled, while I kite from Dragon pit to Baron, and past my net into jungle with 3 enemy flashes until Riven's retarded mobility catches up to me ffor the 3rd time and I can't cleanse the stuns. Our jungle voli also refused to ever give me red buff because he needed it "to catch Ezreal." Really? How do you get through to people that if everyone just stood near me and shot people that there is literally no way we could lose? How do people carry such games? We lose 3 more fights in which I get no peel and it's gg.
3 different opponents at the end of the game said "you guts know if you peeled for cait there is literally no way we could have run." My team's response? "Not our fault she is at our red while we are fighting around dragon." GG.
Also I think I am terrible at jungling. Everyone else builds glass cannon, so I basically always go full tank with aegis/locket, and I just die in teamfights after I initiate, everyone ignores me, and my whole team is dead.
A great solo q item for giving yourself peels is BOTRK. If I ever count more than 2 people that can dive me and make my life a living hell I always start it. Great slow, gives your autos good poke against bruisers or people that dive you, and enough lifesteal to forget about BT and just go straight for IE.
Oh, and mute that fucking voli and steal his red. That logic doesn't even warrant a response.
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On June 28 2013 15:51 Arisen wrote:i just had a game where our bot lane was so bad that their support just peaced the fuck out of bot lane and their ad carry still dominated the 2 guys on our team
This happened to me today. I'm winning my lane as Singed, Janna comes over and mid and jungle keep coming over as well, yet my team is still dying constantly? What?
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On June 27 2013 23:57 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 21:38 SF-Fork wrote:On June 27 2013 17:13 Mondeezy wrote:
I hate support Nidalee.
Seriously. You are not supporting your team if you refuse to buy one ward and build straight AP while taking buffs and farm from the carries.
Edit: And missing every god damn spear. I hate it that every time I pick support nidalee, everyone starts flaming me. Yes, I get it. Nida has no CC. But she has complete river bush and botlane bush control with traps and wards. She makes the team immune to unsuspecting invade and she has GREAT poke. She can also defensive trap your golems and offensive trap enemy golems for an astute jungler that wants to steal. Sure, you can't get a leona off the adc's back, but against anyone else, hit 2 spears and a caitlyn, draven, varus, vayne or almost any adc for that matter will go for the kill! Also, she basically doesn't die with her high mobility. The main problem with her is that she is actually bad as a support. She works against people who are equally bad. Also, she is usually played in a pretty trolly manner. Like a dorans start when it was still 475, and then building pure AP and never buying a single ward during the whole game. With her reliance on not being pushed back too hard this means that your botlane is at complete mercy of the enemy jungler. This works from time time to, but is solely reliant on the enemy jungler not noticing.the lack of wards botlane or running through bushes which you obviously trapped to gank you. She preys on bad players who don't push the lane against her. Any other support can push harder then Nida, but most enemies choose to sit back and only lasthit because they are scared of Nidalees damage. Which is pretty much the worst thing you can do.
I am sorry, but all you are mentioning here are bad practices by troll nida players. Nida is an excellent warder with trap help. Nida should never start doran's. Because you need to buy plenty of wards due to the fact that with nida it is good to push lanes, she has to rush for philo stone followed by tear and then kages pick, while non-stop warding and trapping.
You are mentioning all the bad traits of nidale troll support players, not the bad traits of the character in itself.
This is precisely why I was posting in the QQ thread about it. Everytime I pick nida support, people assume I'm in it for the KS and not for the supporting.
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On June 28 2013 23:04 SF-Fork wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 23:57 Simberto wrote:On June 27 2013 21:38 SF-Fork wrote:On June 27 2013 17:13 Mondeezy wrote:
I hate support Nidalee.
Seriously. You are not supporting your team if you refuse to buy one ward and build straight AP while taking buffs and farm from the carries.
Edit: And missing every god damn spear. I hate it that every time I pick support nidalee, everyone starts flaming me. Yes, I get it. Nida has no CC. But she has complete river bush and botlane bush control with traps and wards. She makes the team immune to unsuspecting invade and she has GREAT poke. She can also defensive trap your golems and offensive trap enemy golems for an astute jungler that wants to steal. Sure, you can't get a leona off the adc's back, but against anyone else, hit 2 spears and a caitlyn, draven, varus, vayne or almost any adc for that matter will go for the kill! Also, she basically doesn't die with her high mobility. The main problem with her is that she is actually bad as a support. She works against people who are equally bad. Also, she is usually played in a pretty trolly manner. Like a dorans start when it was still 475, and then building pure AP and never buying a single ward during the whole game. With her reliance on not being pushed back too hard this means that your botlane is at complete mercy of the enemy jungler. This works from time time to, but is solely reliant on the enemy jungler not noticing.the lack of wards botlane or running through bushes which you obviously trapped to gank you. She preys on bad players who don't push the lane against her. Any other support can push harder then Nida, but most enemies choose to sit back and only lasthit because they are scared of Nidalees damage. Which is pretty much the worst thing you can do. I am sorry, but all you are mentioning here are bad practices by troll nida players. Nida is an excellent warder with trap help. Nida should never start doran's. Because you need to buy plenty of wards due to the fact that with nida it is good to push lanes, she has to rush for philo stone followed by tear and then kages pick, while non-stop warding and trapping. You are mentioning all the bad traits of nidale troll support players, not the bad traits of the character in itself. This is precisely why I was posting in the QQ thread about it. Everytime I pick nida support, people assume I'm in it for the KS and not for the supporting.
No. I was mentioning all the bad traits trolling nida supports have, because that is relevant to people not wanting to be in a lane with her. I also mentioned why she is a bad support even if played good. You need to push the lane, but you can't do it since you have no pushing skills. So you are reliant on the enemy letting you push the lane. You are also reliant on getting ahead early, because with philo + tear your spears will otherwise only do neglectable damage really fast against people who don't get hit by every single one of them. Before 6 your trades are really bad, and after 6 you just die if you jump in. So even if played correctly, it still only works against bad players. I am not overly good myself, and support Nida already does not really work at my level. It is very cheesy and reliant on people not being used to it and not being able to adapt. If you are at the level that works, sure, play it.
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I knew when my team picked vayne, blitz and lee its gonna be hard game and it didnt help enemy got trynda ....
Blitz ended 1-14 hooking trynda numerous times into the team. At this point I wish they would just nerf some of the toxic heroes to play against so hard, that nobody ever will play them again.
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I started banning vayne and ezreal every game so I don't get them on my team. I literally have never seen an ezreal do good, he only kses every kill with his q and then thinks he is fking doublelift spamming his zero damage poke while our team gets destroyed by a real adc. Same with vayne, always terrible at csing, misses every stun opportunity, condems into the enemy team, etc. And if the opposing team gets her, she's gonna be fking legendary 6 minutes into the game.
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There are some champions that you know are either going to be either amazing or awful: Blitz, Yi, maybe Nidalee. Ironically,two of those are prime targets for the "only plays one champion" crowd.
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All right.
After getting into Gold V on my 6th promotion series, I'm now trying to get promoted to Gold IV. 0-2 thus far, both series lost 1-2. The latest game I get a person who picks Cait mid into Ahri and proceeds to go 1-10 and also a jungler Udyr who camped my lane(which I was winning) for no reason instead of helping the losing lanes, while being incredibly scared in teamfights to just run in and do something.
I guess the retard container for placements still holds strong. Let's see if third time's a charm.
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Go 3-0 in lane against Trynd as Renekton, can't group with team because he never stops split-pushing. Mid soraka spams surrender votes and we lose despite me going 5-0. Sad days were had.
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3rd time promotional series Silver IV > III, final game. Play my usual sejuani jungle. My team is ahead by 10 kills and baron. Accidentally ks our ADC Ashe and I immediately apologise. He then decides to just constantly walk into straight into enemy base for the rest of the game in order to throw the game.
This is more of in perspective of the enemy team. Their ezreal was behind, decided to rush IBG with only a vamp scepter, boots1 and dorans. Had approximately 110 AD at the 20 minute mark.
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Lee sin goes 1-3 vs kennen top, lux mid that is smashing flames him and calls for "report for feed" lee afks for 30 minutes... from 29-13 to a lost game after 50 minutes.
FUCK YOU LOL!
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Every time I support Zyra I do fine, but my team doesn't appreciate the importance of a good engage because they're like oooh, free disengage on Zyra, I can do whatever! And then die stupidly. It's like my Taric curse 2.0, but worse.
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