EPTOn April 09 2012 17:06 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
^ LOL QQ
^ LOL QQ
and I thought I was annoyed, rofl.
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koreasilver
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Two_DoWn
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On April 09 2012 22:51 GhostOwl wrote: well it is a QQ thread after all =) You might want to play with some good vlads. He most certainly CAN carry a game damage wise. Late game vlad is actually one of the most dangerous ap carries there is in terms of damage and survivibility. | ||
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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
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ShloobeR
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GhostOwl
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On April 09 2012 23:02 Two_DoWn wrote: You might want to play with some good vlads. He most certainly CAN carry a game damage wise. Late game vlad is actually one of the most dangerous ap carries there is in terms of damage and survivibility. And Zil can AP carry instead of support, Lulu can AP carry instead of support. Does it mean its optimal? No. If you're playing Vlad as an AP carry, you're doing it wrong. I've seen good Vlads here and there, and they play him defensive AP tanky champ which works well. Not to dish out damage but to soak in damage, which he can heal easily. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On April 09 2012 23:38 GhostOwl wrote: And Zil can AP carry instead of support, Lulu can AP carry instead of support. Does it mean its optimal? No. If you're playing Vlad as an AP carry, you're doing it wrong. I've seen good Vlads here and there, and they play him defensive AP tanky champ which works well. Not to dish out damage but to soak in damage, which he can heal easily. Did you watch the TSM vs CLG finals yesterday? Try to tell me that Vlad didnt carry that game. Optimal vlad gets a ton of ap, throws out q and e and absolutely destroys teams. He is one of the highest damage ap carries late game because of his CDs. The only other champs that can compare to him are Cass and Ryze. | ||
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United States3216 Posts
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noggnoskill
United States97 Posts
Or he just didn't know what he was talking about. Both are very likely, considering that this is, in fact, the internet. | ||
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
Can't carry when the opponent warwick/leblanc/whoever is 15-2 and 1shots everyone | ||
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Sabin010
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koreasilver
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On April 10 2012 00:37 koreasilver wrote: Yeah, watching Dyrus and Scarra play Vlad pretty much proves to me that Vlad is a really strong champion if played well, and I've been figuring out how to play through his weak early game and some general matchup stuff, but I just can't really pull off his lategame that well even when I do manage to farm up. I do seem to get a lot of bad teammates by chance when I do play Vlad, but even then I know I'm also not pulling the weight around as much as I can when I do destroy my lane because I have carried games in similar situations with a variety of other champions. I'm just missing something with Vlad. Knowing when to and maintaining 4 stacks on Tides is pretty key on Vlad. I would say winning lane, especially post level 7, is fairly easy with Vlad. Making a big impact during mid/late game team fights (a la Dyrus) is something more Vlads are trying to learn. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On April 09 2012 23:38 GhostOwl wrote: And Zil can AP carry instead of support, Lulu can AP carry instead of support. Does it mean its optimal? No. If you're playing Vlad as an AP carry, you're doing it wrong. I've seen good Vlads here and there, and they play him defensive AP tanky champ which works well. Not to dish out damage but to soak in damage, which he can heal easily. lulu was banned in IPL 4 for her carry dominance, not her support... so wouldn't you say she's more "optimal" as a carry? also, never seen zil been played as anything other than ap mid in tourney... though i think cross role comparison is silly, you should only compare champs to analogous champs for their roles... i.e. saying "ap kennen is better than ad kennen" means nothing cuz its not like you wouldnt have another ap on a team with ad kennen. though you could say ad kennen gets trumped by most other ads, cuz that'd make sense. building tankiness vs damage is situational... dyrus builds deathcap real quick on mid rumble (for better ganking potential) but he goes wota/rylais first on top rumble... and it depends on team comp, whether you need more damage or tankiness. saying one build is absolutely more optimal than the other is a bit silly... | ||
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Sufinsil
United States760 Posts
Lesson learned. Cait not as spammy as ashe volley (and harder to hit with Cait's Q consistently vs decent players). They were 3.5 AD carries and still our tank so squish. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On April 10 2012 05:41 Sufinsil wrote: Me(Cait) & Janna vs solo Graves bot. First mistake was not having armor runes (mp5 better for ashe/urgot). Can not trade evenly. 2nd rarely our Janna would initiate so I could trade better with graves. Once I had wriggles I was fine, and ended up with most money our on team, but the rest of the team got far behind. They had twitch, shyvana jungle roam with smite. Lesson learned. Cait not as spammy as ashe volley (and harder to hit with Cait's Q consistently vs decent players). They were 3.5 AD carries and still our tank so squish. multiplle ad carry is actually better vs a tanky comp than only one ad: all ads become naturally anti-tank once they start reaching lategame and lower-level games tend more to be drawn-out the issue with multiple ad carry is that your early game should theoretically get raped by APs and bruisers and such | ||
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Sufinsil
United States760 Posts
On April 10 2012 05:50 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: multiplle ad carry is actually better vs a tanky comp than only one ad: all ads become naturally anti-tank once they start reaching lategame and lower-level games tend more to be drawn-out the issue with multiple ad carry is that your early game should theoretically get raped by APs and bruisers and such Well our tank only had 2xx armor, while their Shyvana went up to 311 with thornmail at the very late, basically so I couldn't kill her fast enough when she zones me out. Had her and Jarvan to deal with. Then their twitch, graves, kennen torn up our Udyr, and...don't remember what else we had. While I did not fail in staying farmed and not dieing, I failed at keeping their Graves at less farm than me. Part wrong runes for it, part my support not being aggressive enough times to help zone him back. When she did, we could drop him below half hp and force loss CS, but did not happen more than a couple times. Then when he was at tower farming, he could be aggresive with twitch gank. Did not die to a gank but came enough to keep him laning fine. | ||
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koreasilver
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Kenpachi
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BobMcJohnson
France2916 Posts
I dont really care losing games because one lane fed, sure i get a little dissapointed when i go 6/1 top but then discover that mid is 1/10 and bot is 0/9, but what really makes me rage is people giving up early. Fucking people with zero mental, giving up in champ select because OMFG YOU DIDNT BAN KASSADIN GG ITS OVER. seriously just play the fucking game out and stop spamming/arguing all game. Makes me so fucking mad to see the number of games I lose just because fucking kids are too fucking retarded to just stop arguing with each others instead of playing. I dont even care if you're doing bad or shit as long as you're trying to play the game correctly, but for some reason that i just fail to understand 90% of people just give up instantly when there's just the slightest thing going wrong and the game just snowballs in a 20mn flamewar from there, destroying any hope for a comeback. -_- Seriously, just go fucking play WoW if you want shitty effortless victories. | ||
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