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On July 25 2025 00:56 Gescom wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2025 00:51 WombaT wrote:
Not every loss is a choke, fook sake!
If anything, Maru showed some pretty clutch play in pulling the boys while down match point and behind in the last set. Unfortunately for him Cure pulled a similarly clutch kill move.
Maru’s found basically every way to lose WCs, I think him losing to Oliveira was maybe the only real example of his play just falling apart in a choking fashion.
He’s been hard-countered by a teammate’s series planning (sOs), been battered by the superior player at the time (Serral). He’s planned a series awfully, dismantling a player with incredible defensive macro games and then throwing out garbage builds (Reynor)
Being clutch and a choker aren’t the only two options on the table. Hot/based take, but IMO Maru fans drastically overestimate his skill level (particularly in 2025) and think the only way he can lose is because he choked, not because he was outplayed by a 'superior player at the time'.
Maru fans has always overestimated him. They make the most nonsense excuses for him after every elimination.
Such as jet lag, hiding builds, stubborn, toss Zerg Op etc
Outside of that very terran favourite patch in 2018-2019. Take that year away and Maru wouldn’t even be in this nonsense goat talks.
Maru has been the big fish in a little pond in korea for years. There is a reason why he has never wrong a world title because he doesn’t have that “it” factor.
Most fans and even the haters can recognize Serral skills through the eye test. Take any year away from Serral and he will still be the consensus goat
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United Kingdom38257 Posts
Solar on a steamroller so far
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On July 25 2025 01:02 TeamMamba wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2025 00:56 Gescom wrote:On July 25 2025 00:51 WombaT wrote:
Not every loss is a choke, fook sake!
If anything, Maru showed some pretty clutch play in pulling the boys while down match point and behind in the last set. Unfortunately for him Cure pulled a similarly clutch kill move.
Maru’s found basically every way to lose WCs, I think him losing to Oliveira was maybe the only real example of his play just falling apart in a choking fashion.
He’s been hard-countered by a teammate’s series planning (sOs), been battered by the superior player at the time (Serral). He’s planned a series awfully, dismantling a player with incredible defensive macro games and then throwing out garbage builds (Reynor)
Being clutch and a choker aren’t the only two options on the table. Hot/based take, but IMO Maru fans drastically overestimate his skill level (particularly in 2025) and think the only way he can lose is because he choked, not because he was outplayed by a 'superior player at the time'. Maru fans has always overestimated him. They make the most nonsense excuses for him after every elimination. Such as jet lag, hiding builds, stubborn, toss Zerg Op etc Outside of that very terran favourite patch in 2018-2019. Take that year away and Maru wouldn’t even be in this nonsense goat talks. Maru has been the big fish in a little pond in korea for years. There is a reason why he has never wrong a world title because he doesn’t have that “it” factor. Most fans and even the haters can recognize Serral skills through the eye test. Take any year away from Serral and he will still be the consensus goat
Ah yes, who could forget all those 2019 Terrans winning games with the great Terran composition of Broodlord Infestor?
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wow didnt expect this kind of games
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herO straight up disrespecting the Roach all-in and built no Battery or Cannon, which would definitely help.
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Artosis comments on herO's keyboard are so funny
Looks like herO goes out 3-0
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On July 25 2025 01:18 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Artosis comments on herO's keyboard are so funny
Looks like herO goes out 3-0
Its kinda funny, protoss is supposedly in one of its Most broken States and we get maybe 1 toss in the ro4 at Most 
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Solar is an ender of dreams
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Weird to see herO so lost in PvZ... sure, the meta has moved in favor of defensive Toss, but is aggressive Toss any weaker than it was less patch?
Maybe Zerg are just playing aggro more often and it makes his playstyle less reliable.
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France12911 Posts
Well at least herO was Even more disappointing than Maru
Problem is he lost too soon for me to eat in front of Classic vs Clem :|
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United Kingdom38257 Posts
Didn't expect this kind of run from Solar. Just really strong and clean
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wow didn't expect Solar to beat herO so hard. His form looks excellent
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On July 25 2025 01:25 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2025 01:18 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Artosis comments on herO's keyboard are so funny
Looks like herO goes out 3-0 Its kinda funny, protoss is supposedly in one of its Most broken States and we get maybe 1 toss in the ro4 at Most
I think it goes back to how different balance is at the very top vs anything lower level. I do think this is one of the strongest patches for "ladder toss" ever. Doesn't mean it translates into results vs Serral, Reynor, Solar, and Rogue, or vs Cure, Maru, Clem.
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On July 25 2025 01:25 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2025 01:18 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Artosis comments on herO's keyboard are so funny
Looks like herO goes out 3-0 Its kinda funny, protoss is supposedly in one of its Most broken States and we get maybe 1 toss in the ro4 at Most
yeah 'supposedly'.
Or People are so used to them not being able to compete that it appears OP to them if Protoss has a fighting chance
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People keep saying Zerg is weak, only Serral carry them all these years. Yet we have 4 Zergs champ in Blizzcon/IEM/Gamers8/EWC. This tournament 3 Zergs made it to top 8 and 2 made it to top 4.
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On July 25 2025 01:02 TeamMamba wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2025 00:56 Gescom wrote:On July 25 2025 00:51 WombaT wrote:
Not every loss is a choke, fook sake!
If anything, Maru showed some pretty clutch play in pulling the boys while down match point and behind in the last set. Unfortunately for him Cure pulled a similarly clutch kill move.
Maru’s found basically every way to lose WCs, I think him losing to Oliveira was maybe the only real example of his play just falling apart in a choking fashion.
He’s been hard-countered by a teammate’s series planning (sOs), been battered by the superior player at the time (Serral). He’s planned a series awfully, dismantling a player with incredible defensive macro games and then throwing out garbage builds (Reynor)
Being clutch and a choker aren’t the only two options on the table. Hot/based take, but IMO Maru fans drastically overestimate his skill level (particularly in 2025) and think the only way he can lose is because he choked, not because he was outplayed by a 'superior player at the time'. Maru fans has always overestimated him. They make the most nonsense excuses for him after every elimination. Such as jet lag, hiding builds, stubborn, toss Zerg Op etc Outside of that very terran favourite patch in 2018-2019. Take that year away and Maru wouldn’t even be in this nonsense goat talks. Maru has been the big fish in a little pond in korea for years. There is a reason why he has never wrong a world title because he doesn’t have that “it” factor. Most fans and even the haters can recognize Serral skills through the eye test. Take any year away from Serral and he will still be the consensus goat
Facts. I think only Clem could take out Serral right now. But even if he manages to snatch a second world title the koreaboos are still gonna draw out the "but, but, but... GSL!" card. Serral never played and never will play in GSL, which is understandable since it would be a netloss considering the peanut prize pool. On the other hand, Maru's had his chances for at least eight years (or however long the world title has been up for grabs), yet has never delivered.
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On July 25 2025 01:28 tigera6 wrote:
People keep saying Zerg is weak, only Serral carry them all these years. Yet we have 4 Zergs champ in Blizzcon/IEM/Gamers8/EWC. This tournament 3 Zergs made it to top 8 and 2 made it to top 4.
it's just Serral bro
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