EPTEsports World Cup 2024! - Page 16
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MJG
United Kingdom1381 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18172 Posts
On August 16 2024 20:19 onPHYRE wrote: Everyone but Dark and Clem would be eliminated already… Showtime and SHIN wouldn’t even have played a game. What a terrible tournament that would be. You can’t even draw any conclusions from current results as players play differently if they know they have three lives (like they do here). They are more likely to save builds and take greater risks. The matches very likely play out differently. While the group stage is in a bracket format, it is still the group stage. The matches so far are equivalent to the group stage of the World Cup or the regular season of the NFL. Everyone battles for placement and once you get to the knockout bracket (the next stage), it is one and done. Quick example - Argentina lost to Saudi Arabia in 2022 and went on to win the World Cup. Essentially this group stage looks different, but it’s meant to accomplish the same thing. Seed players for the knockouts. That's true, but it's a bit lopsided. The seeding usually matters beyond the 1st/2nd place. If all this is about is the seeding, why does 3rd-16th all get unceremoniously dumped in the first round of the knockout? If you're going to treat it that way, why not do something like the WTL, where top spots of the group gets you into the final 4, but everything else still matters. 2nd place? Seed into Ro6, 3rd place? Ro8. You could easily make an interesting knockout bracket with seeding from the "group stage" as they are without dumping everybody into a brutal gauntlet regardless of their performance outside of top 2. | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom1381 Posts
On August 16 2024 21:07 MJG wrote: herO's fourth and fifth bases are the only things keeping him in this game. ... and they dragged him through to a win. | ||
Poopi
France12906 Posts
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IndyO
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
Commentators definitely seemed wrong in thinking herO was way ahead the whole time. herO was way ahead in the beginning, but then Cure made it even (or even ahead) when he took out the main, but herO managed to drag it back. Against any other toss Cure probably would have been able to just get a big army and get to the other side of the map and win | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom1381 Posts
On August 16 2024 21:24 Pandain wrote: Commentators definitely seemed wrong in thinking herO was way ahead the whole time. herO was way ahead in the beginning, but then Cure made it even (or even ahead) when he took out the main, but herO managed to drag it back. Against any other toss Cure probably would have been able to just get a big army and get to the other side of the map and win If you glanced at the worker supply then it definitely didn't look like herO was ahead, but he was mining from relatively fresh bases compared to Cure. I think that made all the difference. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17723 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
On August 16 2024 21:44 Die4Ever wrote: Lol that drop by Byun It's a doom drop! but for who... Hard to see Byun's style as being the best but it sure makes for fun games | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
So it’s Bo3 for a bunch of games that will actually end someone’s run? Like SHINTime could conceivably get eliminated having lost a single Bo3 when everyone else in the field at this stage has to lose 2 Bo5s before that? | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On August 16 2024 21:48 WombaT wrote: This format confuses me, Bo5 with 2 lives in the group stage, Bo3 and sudden death in the knockout bracket? Up to the semis anyway So it’s Bo3 for a bunch of games that will actually end someone’s run? Like SHINTime could conceivably get eliminated having lost a single Bo3 when everyone else in the field at this stage has to lose 2 Bo5s before that? I kind of view it from a different perspective. There's a rigorous and super-fair group stage format to figure out the vast majority of people who enter the semifinals. Whoever enters from that 100% deserves it. There's also an extremely fair way to determine who that last spot is. Take everyone who lost before and just put them in a knockout bracket and whoever wins takes the last spot. | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom1381 Posts
What's wrong with a group stage followed by a playoff bracket? They're being different for the sake of being different. | ||
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Kreuger
Sweden796 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
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tigera6
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On August 16 2024 21:58 MJG wrote: I view it from the perspective of it being a stupid format. What's wrong with a group stage followed by a playoff bracket? They're being different for the sake of being different. I just don’t see what advantage you get here, from either a sporting fairness or spectacle element. No format is perfect, but some are better than others and as the old adage goes, if it ain’t broke… I guess you do get a Serral/Clem or a Maru/Dark showdown for something impactful, in an Bo5 early and neither of them exit the tournament, so there is that. That aside I’m not seeing huge upsides. Realistically, there are players on both sides of the bracket who are competing for a top 8 run at best, even if it was single elim. Instead they’ve gotta run that gauntlet for a top 4 spot with your Serral and Marus of the world having 2 lives. It’s an odd format indeed that settles Ro4 spots before anything preceding it or anyone actually eliminated from the tournament. I also really, really dislike the two qualifiers coming in late too, I know I’ve mentioned it but it bears repeating. | ||
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Zzzapper
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onPHYRE
Bulgaria923 Posts
On August 16 2024 21:08 Acrofales wrote: That's true, but it's a bit lopsided. The seeding usually matters beyond the 1st/2nd place. If all this is about is the seeding, why does 3rd-16th all get unceremoniously dumped in the first round of the knockout? If you're going to treat it that way, why not do something like the WTL, where top spots of the group gets you into the final 4, but everything else still matters. 2nd place? Seed into Ro6, 3rd place? Ro8. You could easily make an interesting knockout bracket with seeding from the "group stage" as they are without dumping everybody into a brutal gauntlet regardless of their performance outside of top 2. It’s actually very similar to every other tournament once in the knockout. In the World Cup you don’t start in the semifinals just because you won your group. Regardless of how well you did in the group stage everyone starts in the same round. Here you actually have more credit for doing well in the group stage. The two winners advance to semis, as well as the 3rd place finisher. The 4th place finisher starts one round later in the knockout stages and 5-16 join the 2 late qualifiers to form the first round of the knockout. A WTL style bracket when its 1v1 and not multiple players playing multiple series would create far less games and give way too much of a reward based on seeding. There is no popular sport that does it that way for a reason. This is a weird group stage (you can lose twice, just like in a WC group) that goes into a relatively normal knockout bracket. On August 16 2024 22:11 Zzzapper wrote: Not a big fan of a format where you can go 3-2 and get no advantage other than seeding (compared to going 0-2) into a grueling single elimination bracket Why? That’s how it works in the GSL and most other sports - I will use the World Cup as an example since it’s the most popular sporting event on the planet. For most of the time GSL has been around if you go 4-0 in your GSL round of 16 group and someone goes 5-4, you have no advantage in the knockout ro8 other than seeding. The World Cup does not reward a team going 3-0’in the groups by starting in a later round versus a team that went 1-0-2 and advanced on tiebreakers. The difference is seeding. Literally the same concept. | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
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ekojs
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