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Northern Ireland27206 Posts
On August 16 2024 07:21 lokol4890 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2024 06:45 Blitzball04 wrote:On August 16 2024 06:07 Charoisaur wrote:On August 16 2024 06:00 Blitzball04 wrote:On August 16 2024 04:31 Charoisaur wrote:On August 16 2024 04:26 Gescom wrote:On August 16 2024 04:19 Fango wrote:On August 16 2024 04:17 darklycid wrote:On August 16 2024 04:13 Fango wrote:
Maru vs Serral 2nd vs 2nd match hype ? Would be so funny if maru would finally be able to beat serral in the non finals they play this year  Serral can lose in single elim, but not in double elim. He just doesn't give away more than 2-3 games per tournament. And this tournament is triple elim lol Meh, maybe the army practice is catching up to him. The last tourney was a miracle tbh. But... I'd be foolish to actually doubt Serral. Do we really have to bring the army thing in every time he loses as an excuse? He lost to Clem at Atlanta too and DH Dallas was one of his most dominant tourneys ever. He gets tons of time off to practice and there's zero indication his form has dropped at all Not as often as people making all the excuses for Maru when he lost outside of Korea. Jet lag / saving builds/ didn’t take seriously/ not in form/ not caring / Zerg Imba, etc At least Serral army thing is actually a REAL thing. Unlike all the phantom excuses people give to Maru when he gets stomped his shoulder injury that had doctors telling him to stop playing isn't a real thing? And where did I mention or discredit injury was an invalid excuse? The excuses I listed were all the common excuses we hear each and every time Maru loses outside of Korea. How many times have we all witness his fanboys claim When he wins, maru is godlike or best in the world But when he loses, the salty tears and excuses comes out in full force You can’t have it both ways. I mean maru lost too and you don't see anyone making excuses here. Only excuses I see are from serral fans but w.e
Nah folks have only made excuses for like 6/7 years…
That aside, bloody impressive showing from Clem
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On August 16 2024 08:10 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2024 07:21 lokol4890 wrote:On August 16 2024 06:45 Blitzball04 wrote:On August 16 2024 06:07 Charoisaur wrote:On August 16 2024 06:00 Blitzball04 wrote:On August 16 2024 04:31 Charoisaur wrote:On August 16 2024 04:26 Gescom wrote:On August 16 2024 04:19 Fango wrote:On August 16 2024 04:17 darklycid wrote:On August 16 2024 04:13 Fango wrote:
Maru vs Serral 2nd vs 2nd match hype ? Would be so funny if maru would finally be able to beat serral in the non finals they play this year Serral can lose in single elim, but not in double elim. He just doesn't give away more than 2-3 games per tournament. And this tournament is triple elim lol Meh, maybe the army practice is catching up to him. The last tourney was a miracle tbh. But... I'd be foolish to actually doubt Serral. Do we really have to bring the army thing in every time he loses as an excuse? He lost to Clem at Atlanta too and DH Dallas was one of his most dominant tourneys ever. He gets tons of time off to practice and there's zero indication his form has dropped at all Not as often as people making all the excuses for Maru when he lost outside of Korea. Jet lag / saving builds/ didn’t take seriously/ not in form/ not caring / Zerg Imba, etc At least Serral army thing is actually a REAL thing. Unlike all the phantom excuses people give to Maru when he gets stomped his shoulder injury that had doctors telling him to stop playing isn't a real thing? And where did I mention or discredit injury was an invalid excuse? The excuses I listed were all the common excuses we hear each and every time Maru loses outside of Korea. How many times have we all witness his fanboys claim When he wins, maru is godlike or best in the world But when he loses, the salty tears and excuses comes out in full force You can’t have it both ways. I mean maru lost too and you don't see anyone making excuses here. Only excuses I see are from serral fans but w.e Nah folks have only made excuses for like 6/7 years… That aside, bloody impressive showing from Clem
Fine I'll bite, the jet lag issue was meme that people used to make fun of maru, not something not maru fans brought up. In the 6 or 7 years at several points zerg had objectively been busted, which even zerg fans have acknowledged after the fact. What's the next supposed excuse: his body? Yeah well when they guy literally had to go to the doctor for help I'd imagine people are justified in bringing that up. Again I repeat, in this tournament the maru "excuses" have been very light, whereas as soon as serral loses the excuses fly.
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Northern Ireland27206 Posts
On August 16 2024 08:17 lokol4890 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2024 08:10 WombaT wrote:On August 16 2024 07:21 lokol4890 wrote:On August 16 2024 06:45 Blitzball04 wrote:On August 16 2024 06:07 Charoisaur wrote:On August 16 2024 06:00 Blitzball04 wrote:On August 16 2024 04:31 Charoisaur wrote:On August 16 2024 04:26 Gescom wrote:On August 16 2024 04:19 Fango wrote:On August 16 2024 04:17 darklycid wrote:[quote] Would be so funny if maru would finally be able to beat serral in the non finals they play this year Serral can lose in single elim, but not in double elim. He just doesn't give away more than 2-3 games per tournament. And this tournament is triple elim lol Meh, maybe the army practice is catching up to him. The last tourney was a miracle tbh. But... I'd be foolish to actually doubt Serral. Do we really have to bring the army thing in every time he loses as an excuse? He lost to Clem at Atlanta too and DH Dallas was one of his most dominant tourneys ever. He gets tons of time off to practice and there's zero indication his form has dropped at all Not as often as people making all the excuses for Maru when he lost outside of Korea. Jet lag / saving builds/ didn’t take seriously/ not in form/ not caring / Zerg Imba, etc At least Serral army thing is actually a REAL thing. Unlike all the phantom excuses people give to Maru when he gets stomped his shoulder injury that had doctors telling him to stop playing isn't a real thing? And where did I mention or discredit injury was an invalid excuse? The excuses I listed were all the common excuses we hear each and every time Maru loses outside of Korea. How many times have we all witness his fanboys claim When he wins, maru is godlike or best in the world But when he loses, the salty tears and excuses comes out in full force You can’t have it both ways. I mean maru lost too and you don't see anyone making excuses here. Only excuses I see are from serral fans but w.e Nah folks have only made excuses for like 6/7 years… That aside, bloody impressive showing from Clem Fine I'll bite, the jet lag issue was meme that people used to make fun of maru, not something not maru fans brought up. In the 6 or 7 years at several points zerg had objectively been busted, which even zerg fans have acknowledged after the fact. What's the next supposed excuse: his body? Yeah well when they guy literally had to go to the doctor for help I'd imagine people are justified in bringing that up. Again I repeat, in this tournament the maru "excuses" have been very light, whereas as soon as serral loses the excuses fly.
There’s barely anyone making excuses for Serral in this thread though?
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GG Clem and all. Excuses aside, jet lag is non-issue for Serral as the time zone is same there as it is in Finland.
Instead, it seems there should be some extra oil to be burned to provide necessary energy to seemingly lacking air conditioning... Bros are sweating like a little pink swines there.
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Serral did say he was a bit sick before the event iirc? Should still not impact his gameplay although he did look out- of -synch in a couple of moments there.
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On August 16 2024 12:32 tigera6 wrote:
Serral did say he was a bit sick before the event iirc? Should still not impact his gameplay although he did look out- of -synch in a couple of moments there.
Yeah it shouldn't. On the other hand, Maru was jinxed by the Artosis curse, worse than fever 
https://x.com/artosis/status/1823418514436165815
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On August 16 2024 05:12 LordVaza wrote:
After an epic full Bo5 between Reynor and Clem, I was excited to see how Clem would stand up again Serral. I didn't care about who wins or loses, I just wanted to see more epic games, but that was just upsetting to watch. Serral didn't even look like Serral, and the fact that no caster mentioned the vast amount of uncharacteristic mistakes he was making also felt very ignorant. I'd be glad to see people rise above Serral, but I don't wanna see him lose like THIS. I know Clem's good, but this series felt so unmotivated... I hope to see Serral show better games moving on from here :prayge:
I read through the comments so far and I think it is interesting that you are the first to really mention it.
No idea if Serral was lazy, over-confident, unmotivated or sick but this performance can't be explained by military or the map pool.
That first game he failed to block the Hellions on multiple occasions which cost him 15 (!!!) drones. Most of the time he loses nothing in the early game. Morphing Ravagers in the enemy base in game 3 also seemed to be completely going against the perfect decision making we normally see.
I don't want to shit on Clem with this, as he played an insane micro and aggression style. But he does it always. It was nothing out of the ordinary (for Clem)... Serral should have expected this. It seemed like he was completely out of it.
I wouldn't count him out yet, as he also won MC6 going through the loser's bracket after losing to Clem 1:3. But it would be a shame to see him get kicked out of the tournament with a repeated performance such as this.
Dark versus Maru was a series so much more worthy of the names involved. Dark's insane strategies and doubling down on the execution versus Maru's supreme resilience was simply a treat to watch. Reynor versus Clem was insane as well, but Serral was completely disappointing yesterday.
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Sure it wasnt the best performance from Serral, but Clem is in peak shape atm.
Serral did 3-0 Hero earlier aswell, harsh to critique that day as "completely disappointing"
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Clem, Reynor and Dark are the players i see can defeat Serral if they are bring their a- game and/or Serral is a bit under his level. Serral dominated the last to tournaments so hard, that the expectations are a bit too high in my opinion.
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On August 16 2024 14:35 Kreuger wrote:
Sure it wasnt the best performance from Serral, but Clem is in peak shape atm.
Serral did 3-0 Hero earlier aswell, harsh to critique that day as "completely disappointing"
You're right. I meant the performance against Clem... he seemed like a different player and it started with the 15 drone kill that was completely preventable if we look at Serral's "normal" play.
On August 16 2024 15:46 HeroSandro wrote:
Clem, Reynor and Dark are the players i see can defeat Serral if they are bring their a- game and/or Serral is a bit under his level. Serral dominated the last to tournaments so hard, that the expectations are a bit too high in my opinion.
Also true. The level that is expected from Serral is inhuman (as he normally performs that way) and one can easily forget that it is pretty normal in SC2 that even at the elite level most pros have a back and forth. Thus, seeing Serral, who mostly does not have a back and forth relationship with anyone, go down 0:3 - especially looking at the last 1.5 years - without not really having a chance in 2 games seems kind of surreal.
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Maybe good that he lost so everyones exaggerated expectations on Serral can be moderated abit 
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On August 16 2024 07:07 FataLe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2024 05:01 BluemoonSC wrote:
addendum to the addendum to the GOAT list MaxPax is the GOAT?
Moral GOAT for choosing not to go to.
On August 16 2024 14:35 Kreuger wrote:
Sure it wasnt the best performance from Serral, but Clem is in peak shape atm.
Serral did 3-0 Hero earlier aswell, harsh to critique that day as "completely disappointing"
Serral beating a Protoss player isn't much of an achievement at the moment. All that he needs to do is drag himself to the lategame because Protoss players seem bereft of ideas when the game goes long.
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On August 16 2024 16:29 MJG wrote:
Serral beating a Protoss player isn't much of an achievement at the moment. All that he needs to do is drag himself to the lategame because Protoss players seem bereft of ideas when the game goes long.
He does look very strong when it crosses over to lategame, still dont think its as easy as you would like it to seem
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Games 1 and 2 Serral tried to defend the harass without units (guess he practised this with Oli?) and paid dearly for it. Game 3 was just weird decisionmaking on his part.
Clem was burning rubber all through the series without making big errs was beautiful. He knows that if Serral gets comfy in late game he doesn't stand a chance. Only Maru can win ultra late game vs Serral. Good plan and extraordinary execution. Probably best TvZ in the world right now
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Northern Ireland27206 Posts
Damn solid result for Clem, on the other hand Serral still has lives left so I wouldn’t count him out just yet! Feel this is a format that quite suits him
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Is it totally random who from the KO-bracket and who from 2nd bracket will face in the final four?
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On August 16 2024 17:12 Kreuger wrote:
Is it totally random who from the KO-bracket and who from 2nd bracket will face in the final four?
I believe the 2nd vs 2nd match determines this, they won't immediately face their groupmate
For example if Maru/Oliveira/Byun advances and wins the 2nd vs 2nd match over Serral/Reynor/Solar/herO/Cure, then Maru/Oliveira/Byun will end up in the Final Four facing Clem first, because they were already in the same group as Dark
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I just noticed something kinda silly about this format...
If Maru loses today and then loses in the knockout bracket tomorrow, he could end up making last-place prize money. SHIN could win 1 match and lose the next and still possibly make more money than Maru did despite playing/winning much fewer games. Or if Coffee loses his next match, he could still get the same amount of prize money as Maru or anyone except Dark and Clem right now.
You can literally get to the 2nd vs 2nd match and still get last place in the tournament lol.
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On August 16 2024 17:34 Die4Ever wrote:
I just noticed something kinda silly about this format...
If Maru loses today and then loses in the knockout bracket tomorrow, he could end up making last-place prize money. SHIN could win 1 match and lose the next and still possibly make more money than Maru did despite playing/winning much fewer games.
The format is daft all over, but this really drives it home.
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Northern Ireland27206 Posts
On August 16 2024 17:34 Die4Ever wrote:
I just noticed something kinda silly about this format...
If Maru loses today and then loses in the knockout bracket tomorrow, he could end up making last-place prize money. SHIN could win 1 match and lose the next and still possibly make more money than Maru did despite playing/winning much fewer games.
That does feel kinda silly.
I also don’t really see what benefit format-wise that having SHINTime come in in a different phase really brings either.
It’s strange to have a format where the whole field bar 2 players are in action. And if it IS done, it’s usually the top seeds who can skip a few rounds.
OK so, they had to qualify and thus should be in some way penalised, but it’s harder for a SHIN in Kr or a Showtime in Europe to qualify straight in than it is for some of the Chinese/NA players no?
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