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On February 10 2024 04:39 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2024 04:14 Gescom wrote:On February 10 2024 04:01 JJH777 wrote:
It's crazy that Korea is going into the final day with a very legitimate shot at clutching out 8-9 spots in the top 12 despite no open bracket, a qualification format that was extremely biased against them, and the 3 best Koreans being lumped into a single group with the 2nd and 5th best EU players. With fairer groups, better qualifiers and the forms Clem/Reynor showed up in it seems like this could have ended with 11 Koreans and Serral. Erm... given the way the EU and NA qualifiers were completely open and allowed a ton of Koreans to stream thru the NA region, it was pretty much an open bracket that I don't think was biased against them at all. =/ Looking at the brackets, the only "upset" I can potentially see would be if Clem doesn't make it through tomorrow. Reynor's performance is disappointing, but its Group D. On the flip side, Scarlett, Oliveira or ShowTime could all make big moves tomorrow. EU server only getting 1 less slot than Korea/CN combined is blatant favoring of EU in the qualifiers. They weren't actual global qualifiers because KR was forced to play on EU. There is literally no chance EU end up with this many slots with a true global qualifier system.
10 players from Korea (discounting the fact that China bumped 2 of them) if you include GSL + Quals versus 8 players from Europe. And then 2 additional Koreans advanced thru NA. It could have been more where Creator and DRG went for but Scarlett and trigger played out of their minds. I fail to see the problem. There was basically zero EU/NA players playing in the KR quals, but tons of Koreans playing in the EU/NA quals. Zzz. If not for locals playing out of their mind (Skillous beating Classic), the tournament could have been 20/24 Koreans from the get-go.
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Damn that basetrade actually ended up close, if only Astrea saved 2 archons maybe, but prob not enough vs magic box
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On February 10 2024 04:48 Gescom wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2024 04:39 JJH777 wrote:On February 10 2024 04:14 Gescom wrote:On February 10 2024 04:01 JJH777 wrote:
It's crazy that Korea is going into the final day with a very legitimate shot at clutching out 8-9 spots in the top 12 despite no open bracket, a qualification format that was extremely biased against them, and the 3 best Koreans being lumped into a single group with the 2nd and 5th best EU players. With fairer groups, better qualifiers and the forms Clem/Reynor showed up in it seems like this could have ended with 11 Koreans and Serral. Erm... given the way the EU and NA qualifiers were completely open and allowed a ton of Koreans to stream thru the NA region, it was pretty much an open bracket that I don't think was biased against them at all. =/ Looking at the brackets, the only "upset" I can potentially see would be if Clem doesn't make it through tomorrow. Reynor's performance is disappointing, but its Group D. On the flip side, Scarlett, Oliveira or ShowTime could all make big moves tomorrow. EU server only getting 1 less slot than Korea/CN combined is blatant favoring of EU in the qualifiers. They weren't actual global qualifiers because KR was forced to play on EU. There is literally no chance EU end up with this many slots with a true global qualifier system. 10 players from Korea (discounting the fact that China bumped 2 of them) if you include GSL + Quals versus 8 players from Europe. And then 2 additional Koreans advanced thru NA. It could have been more where Creator and DRG went for but Scarlett and trigger played out of their minds. I fail to see the problem. There was basically zero EU/NA players playing in the KR quals, but tons of Koreans playing in the EU/NA quals. Zzz. If not for locals playing out of their mind (Skillous beating Classic), the tournament could have been 20/24 Koreans from the get-go.
Do you honestly believe that if every qualifier was played on whatever server resulted in the two players having the closest ping we would have ended up with this lineup?
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Astrea playing really good now game2
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
Just 1 quality spire placement and game was over, damn.
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Well, didnt matter. Serral really has ZvP under lock
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On February 10 2024 04:59 Kreuger wrote:
Well, didnt matter. Serral really has ZvP under lock
What match-up does Serral not have under lock right now, anyway?
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On February 10 2024 05:00 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2024 04:59 Kreuger wrote:
Well, didnt matter. Serral really has ZvP under lock What match-up does Serral not have under lock right now, anyway?
Serral vs Champagne Bottle.
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On February 10 2024 05:00 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2024 04:59 Kreuger wrote:
Well, didnt matter. Serral really has ZvP under lock What match-up does Serral not have under lock right now, anyway?
Zvz can still be tricky
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On February 10 2024 05:00 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2024 04:59 Kreuger wrote:
Well, didnt matter. Serral really has ZvP under lock What match-up does Serral not have under lock right now, anyway?
Sure he is really strong in all ofc, but you gotta agree that his ZvP is on another level then ZvZ for example
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Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On February 10 2024 05:01 geokilla wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2024 05:00 lolfail9001 wrote:On February 10 2024 04:59 Kreuger wrote:
Well, didnt matter. Serral really has ZvP under lock What match-up does Serral not have under lock right now, anyway? Serral vs Champagne Bottle.
The correct answer, we’ll have to be really scared when he gets that down
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Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On February 10 2024 05:02 Kreuger wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2024 05:00 lolfail9001 wrote:On February 10 2024 04:59 Kreuger wrote:
Well, didnt matter. Serral really has ZvP under lock What match-up does Serral not have under lock right now, anyway? Sure he is really strong in all ofc, but you gotta agree that his ZvP is on another level then ZvZ for example
Aye, it’s probably the strongest matchup anyone has in the game right now. Maru at his TvT peak a while back probably is the only one with a comparable level of smackage in a particular matchup.
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On February 10 2024 04:52 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2024 04:48 Gescom wrote:On February 10 2024 04:39 JJH777 wrote:On February 10 2024 04:14 Gescom wrote:On February 10 2024 04:01 JJH777 wrote:
It's crazy that Korea is going into the final day with a very legitimate shot at clutching out 8-9 spots in the top 12 despite no open bracket, a qualification format that was extremely biased against them, and the 3 best Koreans being lumped into a single group with the 2nd and 5th best EU players. With fairer groups, better qualifiers and the forms Clem/Reynor showed up in it seems like this could have ended with 11 Koreans and Serral. Erm... given the way the EU and NA qualifiers were completely open and allowed a ton of Koreans to stream thru the NA region, it was pretty much an open bracket that I don't think was biased against them at all. =/ Looking at the brackets, the only "upset" I can potentially see would be if Clem doesn't make it through tomorrow. Reynor's performance is disappointing, but its Group D. On the flip side, Scarlett, Oliveira or ShowTime could all make big moves tomorrow. EU server only getting 1 less slot than Korea/CN combined is blatant favoring of EU in the qualifiers. They weren't actual global qualifiers because KR was forced to play on EU. There is literally no chance EU end up with this many slots with a true global qualifier system. 10 players from Korea (discounting the fact that China bumped 2 of them) if you include GSL + Quals versus 8 players from Europe. And then 2 additional Koreans advanced thru NA. It could have been more where Creator and DRG went for but Scarlett and trigger played out of their minds. I fail to see the problem. There was basically zero EU/NA players playing in the KR quals, but tons of Koreans playing in the EU/NA quals. Zzz. If not for locals playing out of their mind (Skillous beating Classic), the tournament could have been 20/24 Koreans from the get-go. Do you honestly believe that if every qualifier was played on whatever server resulted in the two players having the closest ping we would have ended up with this lineup?
I guess we just have fundamentally different opinions. I prefer region lock in general and I don't think the Koreans should have been allowed to play in NA at all, nevermind the question of ping. To me it's not "biased" at all. There were 10 slots for Koreans... go and qualify through them. Classic, Gumi, Bunny, Creator, DRG, etc, flunking out of KR and then EU and then scrambling for last minute slots in NA rubbed me the wrong way.
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France12907 Posts
So far groups B and D are the expected bangers while A and C are a bit on the boring side
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On February 10 2024 05:07 Poopi wrote:
So far groups B and D are the expected bangers while A and C are a bit on the boring side
Group A has been fun too with heromarine's wins. But yeah C extremely boring as expected - no upsets or even really good games.
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On February 10 2024 05:06 Gescom wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2024 04:52 JJH777 wrote:On February 10 2024 04:48 Gescom wrote:On February 10 2024 04:39 JJH777 wrote:On February 10 2024 04:14 Gescom wrote:On February 10 2024 04:01 JJH777 wrote:
It's crazy that Korea is going into the final day with a very legitimate shot at clutching out 8-9 spots in the top 12 despite no open bracket, a qualification format that was extremely biased against them, and the 3 best Koreans being lumped into a single group with the 2nd and 5th best EU players. With fairer groups, better qualifiers and the forms Clem/Reynor showed up in it seems like this could have ended with 11 Koreans and Serral. Erm... given the way the EU and NA qualifiers were completely open and allowed a ton of Koreans to stream thru the NA region, it was pretty much an open bracket that I don't think was biased against them at all. =/ Looking at the brackets, the only "upset" I can potentially see would be if Clem doesn't make it through tomorrow. Reynor's performance is disappointing, but its Group D. On the flip side, Scarlett, Oliveira or ShowTime could all make big moves tomorrow. EU server only getting 1 less slot than Korea/CN combined is blatant favoring of EU in the qualifiers. They weren't actual global qualifiers because KR was forced to play on EU. There is literally no chance EU end up with this many slots with a true global qualifier system. 10 players from Korea (discounting the fact that China bumped 2 of them) if you include GSL + Quals versus 8 players from Europe. And then 2 additional Koreans advanced thru NA. It could have been more where Creator and DRG went for but Scarlett and trigger played out of their minds. I fail to see the problem. There was basically zero EU/NA players playing in the KR quals, but tons of Koreans playing in the EU/NA quals. Zzz. If not for locals playing out of their mind (Skillous beating Classic), the tournament could have been 20/24 Koreans from the get-go. Do you honestly believe that if every qualifier was played on whatever server resulted in the two players having the closest ping we would have ended up with this lineup? I guess we just have fundamentally different opinions. I prefer region lock in general and I don't think the Koreans should have been allowed to play in NA at all, nevermind the question of ping. To me it's not "biased" at all. There were 10 slots for Koreans... go and qualify through them. Classic, Gumi, Bunny, Creator, DRG, etc, flunking out of KR and then EU and then scrambling for last minute slots in NA rubbed me the wrong way.
From 2012 or whenever the first Kato was to 2023 Kato was the only premier global event that allowed full KR participation at the expense of other regions. It was nice having 1 skill based event per year instead of region based like all the other ones. Now that Kato changed to this format we don't have a single premier that puts skill as the most important factor for determining who qualifies.
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On February 10 2024 05:07 Poopi wrote:
So far groups B and D are the expected bangers while A and C are a bit on the boring side
It's like this EVERY year. Katowice always stacks the groups.
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Serral 4-0 is not surprising. No disrespect to his opponents but it's clearly not the hardest group. Beating firefly astrea skillous kelazhur doesn't really say anything about his win potential. I'd expect any other top player to do the same. Heck. Reynor is already eliminated and I think he would've advanced from this group, maybe even in 1st. Wild.
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Yo Clem vs Oliviera was insane. Game 2 was out of BUSINESS, my guys.
Happy to see herO doing well. Sad about Reynor but that group is disgusting.
Maru coming out of hibernation? Serral GOATing?
Playoffs are gonna be lit. Get your boats rdy.
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I have two wishes for this tournament.
One Protoss to ro.8 please. The balance can't be this bad right?
Serral vs Maru at some point. Maru's been hiding some greedy builds and I want to see how Serral deals with it.
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