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[WTL 2023] Master's Coliseum 7 - Swiss Round
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digmouse
China6331 Posts
Master's Coliseum/7Saturday, Jan 13 11:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) - Friday, Jan 19 11:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) Streams SCBoy WardiTV | SteadfastSC | RotterdaM | CranKy Ducklings Legendk | IntoTheiNu | CrankGroup | ||
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Philippe
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tigera6
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
Maru - Clem Olivera - Dark As first round matches are absolute bangers | ||
Waxangel
United States33592 Posts
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Balnazza
Germany1281 Posts
On January 12 2024 16:56 tigera6 wrote: Trigger PvT look very good, he was very close to beat Clem in WTL playoff, closer than MaxPax was in the earlier rounds. Btw, this is not "real" Swiss Stage but "ESL Swiss" similar to the Regional and Gamers8 group stage. This is "A Swiss-like system that is used in many Esports in that exact way except AoE 2 and everyone knows how it works except that one dude who wants to be petty about it"-Swiss | ||
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Sui
26 Posts
On January 13 2024 09:02 Balnazza wrote: This is "A Swiss-like system that is used in many Esports in that exact way except AoE 2 and everyone knows how it works except that one dude who wants to be petty about it"-Swiss I guess one of the main complaints about the "ESL Swiss" is its blackbox paring procedure. I read in liquipedia discord (cited explanation from ESL admin), that in each round the players with the same number of wins (eg. 8 players with 1-0 score) are not paired according to either their map score, or any explainable seeding order. They are paired using a ELO-like blackbox system, and the details are not publicly announced. I remember spending hours trying to predict ESL brackets, found it contradicts every pairing rule possible, and only to find out later that it's a blackbox after I dug through dozens of pages of chat records from liquipedia discord. So, no, everyone does NOT know how it works. And I really hope WTL does not copy ESL's implementation. | ||
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digmouse
China6331 Posts
On January 13 2024 15:29 Sui wrote: I guess one of the main complaints about the "ESL Swiss" is its blackbox paring procedure. I read in liquipedia discord (cited explanation from ESL admin), that in each round the players with the same number of wins (eg. 8 players with 1-0 score) are not paired according to either their map score, or any explainable seeding order. They are paired using a ELO-like blackbox system, and the details are not publicly announced. I remember spending hours trying to predict ESL brackets, found it contradicts every pairing rule possible, and only to find out later that it's a blackbox after I dug through dozens of pages of chat records from liquipedia discord. So, no, everyone does NOT know how it works. And I really hope WTL does not copy ESL's implementation. WTL's pairing is random draw from round 2 and on. | ||
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ZeroByte13
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digmouse
China6331 Posts
On January 13 2024 23:31 ZeroByte13 wrote: Random draw - you mean between players with the same Win/Lose stats, not literally random, right? Yeah obviously. Round 2 upper matches are drawn among the 8 first round winners for example. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18270 Posts
On January 14 2024 00:43 digmouse wrote: Yeah obviously. Round 2 upper matches are drawn among the 8 first round winners for example. It can't be pure random though, can it? If 2 players who played each other in round 1 end up at 1-1, they can't be matched again in round 3, can they? | ||
Poopi
France12911 Posts
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Ciaus237
South Africa288 Posts
It is such a great unit The most fun of all | ||
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tigera6
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Kreuger
Sweden859 Posts
Maru vs serral Byun vs reynor Etc etc | ||
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buzz_bender
445 Posts
On January 14 2024 22:44 tigera6 wrote: Basically you cant counter the new Cyclone with Tanks, because of the cheaper and quicker Ravens build, so you have to build more Cyclone yourself to counter opponent Cyclones. But what Maru did in game 3 was surviving on Bunkers and Marines, and he has the edge when the Bio upgrades kick in and it went Maru way for the rest of the game. Yeah, this new cyclone meta in TvT is not pleasant to watch, and I'm sure that it's not that pleasant to play. It made the match up feel very volatile. | ||
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darklycid
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Philippe
354 Posts
On January 14 2024 23:13 buzz_bender wrote: Yeah, this new cyclone meta in TvT is not pleasant to watch, and I'm sure that it's not that pleasant to play. It made the match up feel very volatile. It's less technical but that's just another way to play in the end. Nothing that really screams bad or ban-worthy. Really can't see why some are doing an awful fuss about. | ||
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darklycid
3541 Posts
On January 14 2024 23:25 Philippe wrote: It's less technical but that's just another way to play in the end. Nothing that really screams bad or ban-worthy. Really can't see why some are doing an awful fuss about. The Problem is that currently it Looks Like you either Play cyclones or start behind, it is Not healthy for one unit to supress other openers Like that imo. | ||
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ZeroByte13
795 Posts
On January 14 2024 23:19 darklycid wrote: Indeed.Maxpax rly lucking Out with His opponents so far. Serral got Reynor + Maru. Maru got Clem + Serral. Max got Firefly + SHIN. | ||
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