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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3310 Posts
July 27 2023 15:28 GMT
#161
On July 28 2023 00:07 Cricketer12 wrote:
7 GSL wins and homies really gonna say Serral is the GOAT

According to some people, ESL Master and Afreeca Champion is better than GSL.
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3447 Posts
July 27 2023 15:34 GMT
#162
Save the goat discussion for g8 pls (cant wait for Maru to disappoint again )
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12770 Posts
July 27 2023 16:34 GMT
#163
On July 28 2023 00:34 darklycid wrote:
Save the goat discussion for g8 pls (cant wait for Maru to disappoint again )

I don’t see Rogue in the list of players so it won’t change much?
WriterMaru
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15913 Posts
July 27 2023 17:15 GMT
#164
Just noticed that Dark has now surpassed 1 million $ in prizemoney.
Pretty impressive, didn't realize he already was so close
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-27 18:15:25
July 27 2023 18:14 GMT
#165
Maru looks a lot less dominant than his last 3peat, and against a lesser field, but still gets it done. You can't really say anything bad about someone playing at their average and still winning.

9 starleagues is insane, second place is Rogue and INnoVation tied with 4 each

Hopefully everyone at G8 is in great form, I'd expect the players are treating it as one of the big events along the lines of Katowice or WeSG
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16056 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-27 18:28:36
July 27 2023 18:21 GMT
#166
On July 27 2023 06:59 Vindicare605 wrote:

So I have

Dark > Gumiho 3-1
Maru > Cure 3-2

then Maru > Dark 4-2



Dang I was one game off. I didn't expect Gumiho to get rolled quite that hard.

Maru GS7 champion!
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4391 Posts
July 27 2023 19:21 GMT
#167
Up to 9 starleagues and his closest competitors only have 4 a piece. Truly an insane career. Hope he can top it off with a Gamers8 win.
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3358 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-27 22:17:23
July 27 2023 22:12 GMT
#168
On July 27 2023 22:45 Poopi wrote:
Great finals, impressive showing from Maru today. From a very bad start vs Cure to the reverse sweep into the 4-2 finals victory
Such a dominant force!

The landed viking trade in G5 vs Cure was such a wild ride.

Dark actually looked like he was playing scared vs Maru after being so dominant against Gumi.

I thought the Roach+Corruptor comp was awesome vs Gumi... dunno why he didn't bring that vs Maru. I can't stand watching Zergs fight against Terran with ZERO AA. Deflecting drops over and over and over is pointless if you get no damage done and kill no units. Build some Hydras or Corruptors ffs. Dropping fungals on packs of ghosts with 10 medivacs on top of them ALSO does nothing. Zzz.
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16056 Posts
July 27 2023 23:06 GMT
#169
On July 28 2023 00:07 Cricketer12 wrote:
7 GSL wins and homies really gonna say Serral is the GOAT


Which is why Serral will never come play in Code S. His fans are so insistent that he's the GOAT despite never competing in this tournament that he only has room to lose by coming here.

Sure he COULD prove without a shadow of a doubt that he's the GOAT by royal roading the GSL and accomplishing what no one has ever done before and being a foreigner to win a Code S. He could do that, but he won't because to his fans he's already the goat and he has nothing to prove.

Those fans are deluded, but they give Serral the ability to say "nah I'm good" and get away with it. I don't know why the community tolerates that thinking, when the alternative is to get Serral to go to GSL and we get the best tournament ever, but whatever, they're allowed to be wrong I guess.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3358 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-28 01:03:39
July 28 2023 01:02 GMT
#170
On July 28 2023 08:06 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2023 00:07 Cricketer12 wrote:
7 GSL wins and homies really gonna say Serral is the GOAT


Which is why Serral will never come play in Code S. His fans are so insistent that he's the GOAT despite never competing in this tournament that he only has room to lose by coming here.

Sure he COULD prove without a shadow of a doubt that he's the GOAT by royal roading the GSL and accomplishing what no one has ever done before and being a foreigner to win a Code S. He could do that, but he won't because to his fans he's already the goat and he has nothing to prove.

Those fans are deluded, but they give Serral the ability to say "nah I'm good" and get away with it. I don't know why the community tolerates that thinking, when the alternative is to get Serral to go to GSL and we get the best tournament ever, but whatever, they're allowed to be wrong I guess.

We could also remember that Starcraft is a game, and perhaps a guy that lives in a comfy mansion in one of the best countries in the world might not want to sleep on Solar's floor for 7 weeks in a strange foreign country in a warped attempt appease internet trolls? He's allowed to do what he wants to do.
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16056 Posts
July 28 2023 01:22 GMT
#171
On July 28 2023 10:02 Gescom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2023 08:06 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 28 2023 00:07 Cricketer12 wrote:
7 GSL wins and homies really gonna say Serral is the GOAT


Which is why Serral will never come play in Code S. His fans are so insistent that he's the GOAT despite never competing in this tournament that he only has room to lose by coming here.

Sure he COULD prove without a shadow of a doubt that he's the GOAT by royal roading the GSL and accomplishing what no one has ever done before and being a foreigner to win a Code S. He could do that, but he won't because to his fans he's already the goat and he has nothing to prove.

Those fans are deluded, but they give Serral the ability to say "nah I'm good" and get away with it. I don't know why the community tolerates that thinking, when the alternative is to get Serral to go to GSL and we get the best tournament ever, but whatever, they're allowed to be wrong I guess.

We could also remember that Starcraft is a game, and perhaps a guy that lives in a comfy mansion in one of the best countries in the world might not want to sleep on Solar's floor for 7 weeks in a strange foreign country in a warped attempt appease internet trolls? He's allowed to do what he wants to do.


He might be more compelled to WANT to do that if he wasn't being told that he was already the best in the world and had nothing else to accomplish.


As for "appeasing internet trolls" it's his fame among the very same community you're calling trolls, that has awarded him his fortune in the first place. If the community wanted him to compete in GSL and wouldn't grant him the title GOAT until he did you don't think he'd want to compete?
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4391 Posts
July 28 2023 01:30 GMT
#172
On July 28 2023 10:02 Gescom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2023 08:06 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 28 2023 00:07 Cricketer12 wrote:
7 GSL wins and homies really gonna say Serral is the GOAT


Which is why Serral will never come play in Code S. His fans are so insistent that he's the GOAT despite never competing in this tournament that he only has room to lose by coming here.

Sure he COULD prove without a shadow of a doubt that he's the GOAT by royal roading the GSL and accomplishing what no one has ever done before and being a foreigner to win a Code S. He could do that, but he won't because to his fans he's already the goat and he has nothing to prove.

Those fans are deluded, but they give Serral the ability to say "nah I'm good" and get away with it. I don't know why the community tolerates that thinking, when the alternative is to get Serral to go to GSL and we get the best tournament ever, but whatever, they're allowed to be wrong I guess.

We could also remember that Starcraft is a game, and perhaps a guy that lives in a comfy mansion in one of the best countries in the world might not want to sleep on Solar's floor for 7 weeks in a strange foreign country in a warped attempt appease internet trolls? He's allowed to do what he wants to do.



This is a pretty big exaggeration. I'm certain organizations within SC2 have offered Serral a Korea trip sponsorship covering a hotel. It's also more like 5 weeks in the current format. He doesn't have to stay in Korea the entire time either. Request that his ro16 GSL group gets played last and he could leave for 3 weeks between the qualifiers and his group and then finish the rest of the event with <2 weeks in Korea.

I'll admit it makes little sense for him to do so at this point due to the prize reduction but when it was paying $30k+ to first place there was no reason not to besides him recognizing that he'd have a low chance to win in 1 attempt and not wanting to commit to multiple tries.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15913 Posts
July 28 2023 02:21 GMT
#173
On July 28 2023 08:06 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2023 00:07 Cricketer12 wrote:
7 GSL wins and homies really gonna say Serral is the GOAT


Which is why Serral will never come play in Code S. His fans are so insistent that he's the GOAT despite never competing in this tournament that he only has room to lose by coming here.

Sure he COULD prove without a shadow of a doubt that he's the GOAT by royal roading the GSL and accomplishing what no one has ever done before and being a foreigner to win a Code S. He could do that, but he won't because to his fans he's already the goat and he has nothing to prove.

Those fans are deluded, but they give Serral the ability to say "nah I'm good" and get away with it. I don't know why the community tolerates that thinking, when the alternative is to get Serral to go to GSL and we get the best tournament ever, but whatever, they're allowed to be wrong I guess.

Ehmm I don't think he cares in the slightest about if fans call him the Goat or not. That's just a stupid thing fans like to discuss over, but when you have already made more than a million prizemoney, you certainly couldn't care less where some guys on the internet would place him in an imaginary ranking
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16056 Posts
July 28 2023 02:23 GMT
#174
On July 28 2023 11:21 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2023 08:06 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 28 2023 00:07 Cricketer12 wrote:
7 GSL wins and homies really gonna say Serral is the GOAT


Which is why Serral will never come play in Code S. His fans are so insistent that he's the GOAT despite never competing in this tournament that he only has room to lose by coming here.

Sure he COULD prove without a shadow of a doubt that he's the GOAT by royal roading the GSL and accomplishing what no one has ever done before and being a foreigner to win a Code S. He could do that, but he won't because to his fans he's already the goat and he has nothing to prove.

Those fans are deluded, but they give Serral the ability to say "nah I'm good" and get away with it. I don't know why the community tolerates that thinking, when the alternative is to get Serral to go to GSL and we get the best tournament ever, but whatever, they're allowed to be wrong I guess.

Ehmm I don't think he cares in the slightest about if fans call him the Goat or not. That's just a stupid thing fans like to discuss over, but when you have already made more than a million prizemoney, you certainly couldn't care less where some guys on the internet would place him in an imaginary ranking


You don't think guys competitive enough to play a sport at the top level care how other people rank them all time? They definitely care.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16665 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-28 05:30:58
July 28 2023 05:24 GMT
#175
great night of SC2. The Maru//Cure series was amazing.
congratz to the game designers... map makers ... and competitors... it was another great show.
On July 28 2023 11:23 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2023 11:21 Charoisaur wrote:
On July 28 2023 08:06 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 28 2023 00:07 Cricketer12 wrote:
7 GSL wins and homies really gonna say Serral is the GOAT


Which is why Serral will never come play in Code S. His fans are so insistent that he's the GOAT despite never competing in this tournament that he only has room to lose by coming here.

Sure he COULD prove without a shadow of a doubt that he's the GOAT by royal roading the GSL and accomplishing what no one has ever done before and being a foreigner to win a Code S. He could do that, but he won't because to his fans he's already the goat and he has nothing to prove.

Those fans are deluded, but they give Serral the ability to say "nah I'm good" and get away with it. I don't know why the community tolerates that thinking, when the alternative is to get Serral to go to GSL and we get the best tournament ever, but whatever, they're allowed to be wrong I guess.

Ehmm I don't think he cares in the slightest about if fans call him the Goat or not. That's just a stupid thing fans like to discuss over, but when you have already made more than a million prizemoney, you certainly couldn't care less where some guys on the internet would place him in an imaginary ranking


You don't think guys competitive enough to play a sport at the top level care how other people rank them all time? They definitely care.

George Costanza nearly killed himself attempting to preserve his legacy as the GOAT of Frogger.
some people take their reputation as super star video game players very seriously.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4391 Posts
July 28 2023 05:46 GMT
#176
Finished watching all the games. What is wrong with Maru and that stupid single tank drop build in TvT? It's lost him multiple series including a world championship and nearly costed him the comeback vs Cure. I seriously don't understand why he would ever use that build again. I've watched pretty much all of his TvTs this year and I don't remember it ever working for him even though it's by far the strategy he's used the most times. If he uses that at Gamers8 and it costs him a series I will be so disappointed.
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6257 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-28 05:55:55
July 28 2023 05:48 GMT
#177
On July 28 2023 10:30 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2023 10:02 Gescom wrote:
On July 28 2023 08:06 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 28 2023 00:07 Cricketer12 wrote:
7 GSL wins and homies really gonna say Serral is the GOAT


Which is why Serral will never come play in Code S. His fans are so insistent that he's the GOAT despite never competing in this tournament that he only has room to lose by coming here.

Sure he COULD prove without a shadow of a doubt that he's the GOAT by royal roading the GSL and accomplishing what no one has ever done before and being a foreigner to win a Code S. He could do that, but he won't because to his fans he's already the goat and he has nothing to prove.

Those fans are deluded, but they give Serral the ability to say "nah I'm good" and get away with it. I don't know why the community tolerates that thinking, when the alternative is to get Serral to go to GSL and we get the best tournament ever, but whatever, they're allowed to be wrong I guess.

We could also remember that Starcraft is a game, and perhaps a guy that lives in a comfy mansion in one of the best countries in the world might not want to sleep on Solar's floor for 7 weeks in a strange foreign country in a warped attempt appease internet trolls? He's allowed to do what he wants to do.



This is a pretty big exaggeration. I'm certain organizations within SC2 have offered Serral a Korea trip sponsorship covering a hotel. It's also more like 5 weeks in the current format. He doesn't have to stay in Korea the entire time either. Request that his ro16 GSL group gets played last and he could leave for 3 weeks between the qualifiers and his group and then finish the rest of the event with <2 weeks in Korea.

I'll admit it makes little sense for him to do so at this point due to the prize reduction but when it was paying $30k+ to first place there was no reason not to besides him recognizing that he'd have a low chance to win in 1 attempt and not wanting to commit to multiple tries.

That is speculation? Do you have inside info on whether Serral has been offered a Korea trip sponsorship?

And you're also forgetting that these players don't exist in a bubble - there is also the support group + practice partners. Would these people be included in the sponsorship deal?

And living in Korea for a few weeks also means opportunity costs in his home country - e.g. there will still be bills to pay but he would not get to utilise them. So, such a sponsorship deal would need to factor all that into account. Without crunching numbers, I'm pretty sure that Serral would lose money (i.e. won't make as much as he could in Europe) competing in Korea. Maybe breakeven if he wins it.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16056 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-28 06:08:50
July 28 2023 06:07 GMT
#178
On July 28 2023 14:48 Azzur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2023 10:30 JJH777 wrote:
On July 28 2023 10:02 Gescom wrote:
On July 28 2023 08:06 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 28 2023 00:07 Cricketer12 wrote:
7 GSL wins and homies really gonna say Serral is the GOAT


Which is why Serral will never come play in Code S. His fans are so insistent that he's the GOAT despite never competing in this tournament that he only has room to lose by coming here.

Sure he COULD prove without a shadow of a doubt that he's the GOAT by royal roading the GSL and accomplishing what no one has ever done before and being a foreigner to win a Code S. He could do that, but he won't because to his fans he's already the goat and he has nothing to prove.

Those fans are deluded, but they give Serral the ability to say "nah I'm good" and get away with it. I don't know why the community tolerates that thinking, when the alternative is to get Serral to go to GSL and we get the best tournament ever, but whatever, they're allowed to be wrong I guess.

We could also remember that Starcraft is a game, and perhaps a guy that lives in a comfy mansion in one of the best countries in the world might not want to sleep on Solar's floor for 7 weeks in a strange foreign country in a warped attempt appease internet trolls? He's allowed to do what he wants to do.



This is a pretty big exaggeration. I'm certain organizations within SC2 have offered Serral a Korea trip sponsorship covering a hotel. It's also more like 5 weeks in the current format. He doesn't have to stay in Korea the entire time either. Request that his ro16 GSL group gets played last and he could leave for 3 weeks between the qualifiers and his group and then finish the rest of the event with <2 weeks in Korea.

I'll admit it makes little sense for him to do so at this point due to the prize reduction but when it was paying $30k+ to first place there was no reason not to besides him recognizing that he'd have a low chance to win in 1 attempt and not wanting to commit to multiple tries.

That is speculation? Do you have inside info on whether Serral has been offered a Korea trip sponsorship?

And you're also forgetting that these players don't exist in a bubble - there is also the support group + practice partners. Would these people be included in the sponsorship deal?

And living in Korea for a few weeks also means opportunity costs in his home country - e.g. there will still be bills to pay but he would not get to utilise them. So, such a sponsorship deal would need to factor all that into account. Without crunching numbers, I'm pretty sure that Serral would lose money (i.e. won't make as much as he could in Europe) competing in Korea. Maybe breakeven if he wins it.


Yes yes it's all such a hassle. Yet every other prominent pro have all done it at least once. Serral is the only one that hasn't.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3310 Posts
July 28 2023 06:07 GMT
#179
On July 28 2023 14:46 JJH777 wrote:
Finished watching all the games. What is wrong with Maru and that stupid single tank drop build in TvT? It's lost him multiple series including a world championship and nearly costed him the comeback vs Cure. I seriously don't understand why he would ever use that build again. I've watched pretty much all of his TvTs this year and I don't remember it ever working for him even though it's by far the strategy he's used the most times. If he uses that at Gamers8 and it costs him a series I will be so disappointed.

The guy just want to be aggressive even though he is best at defensive and counter play, the same way he does lots of 2 base all-in in TvP and Protoss just bilnd counter it at this point by making lots of units and delay their macro build time.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6860 Posts
July 28 2023 07:49 GMT
#180
On July 28 2023 15:07 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2023 14:48 Azzur wrote:
On July 28 2023 10:30 JJH777 wrote:
On July 28 2023 10:02 Gescom wrote:
On July 28 2023 08:06 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 28 2023 00:07 Cricketer12 wrote:
7 GSL wins and homies really gonna say Serral is the GOAT


Which is why Serral will never come play in Code S. His fans are so insistent that he's the GOAT despite never competing in this tournament that he only has room to lose by coming here.

Sure he COULD prove without a shadow of a doubt that he's the GOAT by royal roading the GSL and accomplishing what no one has ever done before and being a foreigner to win a Code S. He could do that, but he won't because to his fans he's already the goat and he has nothing to prove.

Those fans are deluded, but they give Serral the ability to say "nah I'm good" and get away with it. I don't know why the community tolerates that thinking, when the alternative is to get Serral to go to GSL and we get the best tournament ever, but whatever, they're allowed to be wrong I guess.

We could also remember that Starcraft is a game, and perhaps a guy that lives in a comfy mansion in one of the best countries in the world might not want to sleep on Solar's floor for 7 weeks in a strange foreign country in a warped attempt appease internet trolls? He's allowed to do what he wants to do.



This is a pretty big exaggeration. I'm certain organizations within SC2 have offered Serral a Korea trip sponsorship covering a hotel. It's also more like 5 weeks in the current format. He doesn't have to stay in Korea the entire time either. Request that his ro16 GSL group gets played last and he could leave for 3 weeks between the qualifiers and his group and then finish the rest of the event with <2 weeks in Korea.

I'll admit it makes little sense for him to do so at this point due to the prize reduction but when it was paying $30k+ to first place there was no reason not to besides him recognizing that he'd have a low chance to win in 1 attempt and not wanting to commit to multiple tries.

That is speculation? Do you have inside info on whether Serral has been offered a Korea trip sponsorship?

And you're also forgetting that these players don't exist in a bubble - there is also the support group + practice partners. Would these people be included in the sponsorship deal?

And living in Korea for a few weeks also means opportunity costs in his home country - e.g. there will still be bills to pay but he would not get to utilise them. So, such a sponsorship deal would need to factor all that into account. Without crunching numbers, I'm pretty sure that Serral would lose money (i.e. won't make as much as he could in Europe) competing in Korea. Maybe breakeven if he wins it.


Yes yes it's all such a hassle. Yet every other prominent pro have all done it at least once. Serral is the only one that hasn't.


Watch his latest interview

https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/614380-serral-never-felt-the-need-to-prove-myself-in-kr

I do like the fact that every tournament thread is about Serral, regardless if he even played in the tournament or not lol. Proves that he is on everyones mind when talking about GOATs
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
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