EPTOn July 28 2023 00:07 Cricketer12 wrote:
7 GSL wins and homies really gonna say Serral is the GOAT
7 GSL wins and homies really gonna say Serral is the GOAT
According to some people, ESL Master and Afreeca Champion is better than GSL.
[GSL 2023] Code S:Season 2 - Finals Day! - Page 9
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tigera6
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According to some people, ESL Master and Afreeca Champion is better than GSL. | ||
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darklycid
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Poopi
France12880 Posts
On July 28 2023 00:34 darklycid wrote: Save the goat discussion for g8 pls (cant wait for Maru to disappoint again )I don’t see Rogue in the list of players so it won’t change much? | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15958 Posts
Pretty impressive, didn't realize he already was so close | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
9 starleagues is insane, second place is Rogue and INnoVation tied with 4 each Hopefully everyone at G8 is in great form, I'd expect the players are treating it as one of the big events along the lines of Katowice or WeSG | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On July 27 2023 06:59 Vindicare605 wrote: So I have Dark > Gumiho 3-1 Maru > Cure 3-2 then Maru > Dark 4-2 Dang I was one game off. I didn't expect Gumiho to get rolled quite that hard. Maru GS7 champion! | ||
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JJH777
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Gescom
Canada3397 Posts
On July 27 2023 22:45 Poopi wrote: Great finals, impressive showing from Maru today. From a very bad start vs Cure to the reverse sweep into the 4-2 finals victory Such a dominant force! The landed viking trade in G5 vs Cure was such a wild ride. Dark actually looked like he was playing scared vs Maru after being so dominant against Gumi. I thought the Roach+Corruptor comp was awesome vs Gumi... dunno why he didn't bring that vs Maru. I can't stand watching Zergs fight against Terran with ZERO AA. Deflecting drops over and over and over is pointless if you get no damage done and kill no units. Build some Hydras or Corruptors ffs. Dropping fungals on packs of ghosts with 10 medivacs on top of them ALSO does nothing. Zzz. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On July 28 2023 00:07 Cricketer12 wrote: 7 GSL wins and homies really gonna say Serral is the GOAT Which is why Serral will never come play in Code S. His fans are so insistent that he's the GOAT despite never competing in this tournament that he only has room to lose by coming here. Sure he COULD prove without a shadow of a doubt that he's the GOAT by royal roading the GSL and accomplishing what no one has ever done before and being a foreigner to win a Code S. He could do that, but he won't because to his fans he's already the goat and he has nothing to prove. Those fans are deluded, but they give Serral the ability to say "nah I'm good" and get away with it. I don't know why the community tolerates that thinking, when the alternative is to get Serral to go to GSL and we get the best tournament ever, but whatever, they're allowed to be wrong I guess. | ||
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Gescom
Canada3397 Posts
On July 28 2023 08:06 Vindicare605 wrote: Which is why Serral will never come play in Code S. His fans are so insistent that he's the GOAT despite never competing in this tournament that he only has room to lose by coming here. Sure he COULD prove without a shadow of a doubt that he's the GOAT by royal roading the GSL and accomplishing what no one has ever done before and being a foreigner to win a Code S. He could do that, but he won't because to his fans he's already the goat and he has nothing to prove. Those fans are deluded, but they give Serral the ability to say "nah I'm good" and get away with it. I don't know why the community tolerates that thinking, when the alternative is to get Serral to go to GSL and we get the best tournament ever, but whatever, they're allowed to be wrong I guess. We could also remember that Starcraft is a game, and perhaps a guy that lives in a comfy mansion in one of the best countries in the world might not want to sleep on Solar's floor for 7 weeks in a strange foreign country in a warped attempt appease internet trolls? He's allowed to do what he wants to do. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On July 28 2023 10:02 Gescom wrote: We could also remember that Starcraft is a game, and perhaps a guy that lives in a comfy mansion in one of the best countries in the world might not want to sleep on Solar's floor for 7 weeks in a strange foreign country in a warped attempt appease internet trolls? He's allowed to do what he wants to do. He might be more compelled to WANT to do that if he wasn't being told that he was already the best in the world and had nothing else to accomplish. As for "appeasing internet trolls" it's his fame among the very same community you're calling trolls, that has awarded him his fortune in the first place. If the community wanted him to compete in GSL and wouldn't grant him the title GOAT until he did you don't think he'd want to compete? | ||
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JJH777
United States4407 Posts
On July 28 2023 10:02 Gescom wrote: We could also remember that Starcraft is a game, and perhaps a guy that lives in a comfy mansion in one of the best countries in the world might not want to sleep on Solar's floor for 7 weeks in a strange foreign country in a warped attempt appease internet trolls? He's allowed to do what he wants to do. This is a pretty big exaggeration. I'm certain organizations within SC2 have offered Serral a Korea trip sponsorship covering a hotel. It's also more like 5 weeks in the current format. He doesn't have to stay in Korea the entire time either. Request that his ro16 GSL group gets played last and he could leave for 3 weeks between the qualifiers and his group and then finish the rest of the event with <2 weeks in Korea. I'll admit it makes little sense for him to do so at this point due to the prize reduction but when it was paying $30k+ to first place there was no reason not to besides him recognizing that he'd have a low chance to win in 1 attempt and not wanting to commit to multiple tries. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15958 Posts
On July 28 2023 08:06 Vindicare605 wrote: Which is why Serral will never come play in Code S. His fans are so insistent that he's the GOAT despite never competing in this tournament that he only has room to lose by coming here. Sure he COULD prove without a shadow of a doubt that he's the GOAT by royal roading the GSL and accomplishing what no one has ever done before and being a foreigner to win a Code S. He could do that, but he won't because to his fans he's already the goat and he has nothing to prove. Those fans are deluded, but they give Serral the ability to say "nah I'm good" and get away with it. I don't know why the community tolerates that thinking, when the alternative is to get Serral to go to GSL and we get the best tournament ever, but whatever, they're allowed to be wrong I guess. Ehmm I don't think he cares in the slightest about if fans call him the Goat or not. That's just a stupid thing fans like to discuss over, but when you have already made more than a million prizemoney, you certainly couldn't care less where some guys on the internet would place him in an imaginary ranking | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On July 28 2023 11:21 Charoisaur wrote: Ehmm I don't think he cares in the slightest about if fans call him the Goat or not. That's just a stupid thing fans like to discuss over, but when you have already made more than a million prizemoney, you certainly couldn't care less where some guys on the internet would place him in an imaginary ranking You don't think guys competitive enough to play a sport at the top level care how other people rank them all time? They definitely care. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16707 Posts
congratz to the game designers... map makers ... and competitors... it was another great show. On July 28 2023 11:23 Vindicare605 wrote: You don't think guys competitive enough to play a sport at the top level care how other people rank them all time? They definitely care. George Costanza nearly killed himself attempting to preserve his legacy as the GOAT of Frogger. some people take their reputation as super star video game players very seriously. | ||
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JJH777
United States4407 Posts
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Azzur
Australia6259 Posts
On July 28 2023 10:30 JJH777 wrote: This is a pretty big exaggeration. I'm certain organizations within SC2 have offered Serral a Korea trip sponsorship covering a hotel. It's also more like 5 weeks in the current format. He doesn't have to stay in Korea the entire time either. Request that his ro16 GSL group gets played last and he could leave for 3 weeks between the qualifiers and his group and then finish the rest of the event with <2 weeks in Korea. I'll admit it makes little sense for him to do so at this point due to the prize reduction but when it was paying $30k+ to first place there was no reason not to besides him recognizing that he'd have a low chance to win in 1 attempt and not wanting to commit to multiple tries. That is speculation? Do you have inside info on whether Serral has been offered a Korea trip sponsorship? And you're also forgetting that these players don't exist in a bubble - there is also the support group + practice partners. Would these people be included in the sponsorship deal? And living in Korea for a few weeks also means opportunity costs in his home country - e.g. there will still be bills to pay but he would not get to utilise them. So, such a sponsorship deal would need to factor all that into account. Without crunching numbers, I'm pretty sure that Serral would lose money (i.e. won't make as much as he could in Europe) competing in Korea. Maybe breakeven if he wins it. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On July 28 2023 14:48 Azzur wrote: That is speculation? Do you have inside info on whether Serral has been offered a Korea trip sponsorship? And you're also forgetting that these players don't exist in a bubble - there is also the support group + practice partners. Would these people be included in the sponsorship deal? And living in Korea for a few weeks also means opportunity costs in his home country - e.g. there will still be bills to pay but he would not get to utilise them. So, such a sponsorship deal would need to factor all that into account. Without crunching numbers, I'm pretty sure that Serral would lose money (i.e. won't make as much as he could in Europe) competing in Korea. Maybe breakeven if he wins it. Yes yes it's all such a hassle. Yet every other prominent pro have all done it at least once. Serral is the only one that hasn't. | ||
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tigera6
3397 Posts
On July 28 2023 14:46 JJH777 wrote: Finished watching all the games. What is wrong with Maru and that stupid single tank drop build in TvT? It's lost him multiple series including a world championship and nearly costed him the comeback vs Cure. I seriously don't understand why he would ever use that build again. I've watched pretty much all of his TvTs this year and I don't remember it ever working for him even though it's by far the strategy he's used the most times. If he uses that at Gamers8 and it costs him a series I will be so disappointed. The guy just want to be aggressive even though he is best at defensive and counter play, the same way he does lots of 2 base all-in in TvP and Protoss just bilnd counter it at this point by making lots of units and delay their macro build time. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6929 Posts
On July 28 2023 15:07 Vindicare605 wrote: Yes yes it's all such a hassle. Yet every other prominent pro have all done it at least once. Serral is the only one that hasn't. Watch his latest interview https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/614380-serral-never-felt-the-need-to-prove-myself-in-kr I do like the fact that every tournament thread is about Serral, regardless if he even played in the tournament or not lol. Proves that he is on everyones mind when talking about GOATs | ||
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