EPTOn July 25 2022 06:27 geokilla wrote:
That fight in between the two Zerg bases killed Astrea
That fight in between the two Zerg bases killed Astrea
He just needed an extra half a second on the warp in, bad luck
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
He just needed an extra half a second on the warp in, bad luck | ||
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Athenau
571 Posts
On July 25 2022 05:55 Balnazza wrote: I made a minor comment about Ghosts, who are just not really fun to watch...though I don't like watching terran in general, so that can be that. But if you are so invested into balance-whining, maybe just switch to AoE 2/4? There Civ-balance doesn't matter that much, so you can finally enjoy watching a tournament  Man, Serral really throws games hard this tourney. That 2nd game is one he usually would never give away in a million years. Even if he gets passed Astrea (which is still highly likely) I don't really see him win against Clem, who doesn't play amazing at all, but just super consistent Ah yes, the classic Zerg gaslighting strategy of cloaking your balance whine as design critique. It's not that Zergs might lose a series once in a blue moon, it's that ghosts just aren't fun! | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1281 Posts
On July 25 2022 06:32 Athenau wrote: Ah yes, the classic Zerg gaslighting strategy of cloaking your balance whine as design critique. It's not that Zergs might occasionally lose a series, it's that ghosts just aren't fun! Dude...I'm saying terran is not fun for 10 years by now...I just don't like watching terran, I think most strats they have are just not fun compared to the other two races. Don't like watching, playing or playing aganst terran. Doesn't mean terran is OP. Happy? Interesting that Serral feels confident against Clem after all the shaky games he had so far. But I guess he hasn't fallen yet, so lets see if he can pull it off | ||
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Argonauta
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gTank
Austria2607 Posts
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dysenterymd
1250 Posts
On July 25 2022 06:41 Argonauta wrote: Ghosts are superfun tho , you should ladder as terran and play with them a bit Ghosts are super unfun tho, you should ladder as Zerg and play against them a bit  Ideally queens and ghosts would both be nerfed and the rest of the game would be rebalanced accordingly, but at this point the best we can hope for in SC2 is minor tweaks around the edges. Not that minor tweaks are pointless, the queen nerf improved PvZ a lot, I just think there are some unfun things in SC2 that would need major overhauls to fix. Still a pretty fun game to play and watch overall though, as much as people complain. | ||
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Poopi
France12911 Posts
On July 25 2022 06:44 dysenterymd wrote: Ghosts are super unfun tho, you should ladder as Zerg and play against them a bit Ideally queens and ghosts would both be nerfed and the rest of the game would be rebalanced accordingly, but at this point the best we can hope for in SC2 is minor tweaks around the edges. Not that minor tweaks are pointless, the queen nerf improved PvZ a lot, I just think there are some unfun things in SC2 that would need major overhauls to fix. Still a pretty fun game to play and watch overall though, as much as people complain. Are there really non pros terrans that are bullying zergs with ghosts on the ladder? I am willing to bet most of them try to use ghosts and get rolled on creep or by ling / banes waves and just try to play without many ghosts | ||
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dysenterymd
1250 Posts
On July 25 2022 06:51 Poopi wrote: Are there really non pros terrans that are bullying zergs with ghosts on the ladder? I am willing to bet most of them try to use ghosts and get rolled on creep or by ling / banes waves and just try to play without many ghosts Yeah I don't think ghost turtle is an epidemic on ladder or anything, but on the rare occasion I run into it it's pretty boring to play against. As always, obligatory fundraising segment gives the lower bracket player much more time to prepare. | ||
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jack_less
78 Posts
On July 25 2022 06:51 Poopi wrote: Are there really non pros terrans that are bullying zergs with ghosts on the ladder? I am willing to bet most of them try to use ghosts and get rolled on creep or by ling / banes waves and just try to play without many ghosts the joke is that terran doesn't have to be on creep but just sits in the back and waits. | ||
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Slydie
1935 Posts
On July 25 2022 06:51 Poopi wrote: Are there really non pros terrans that are bullying zergs with ghosts on the ladder? I am willing to bet most of them try to use ghosts and get rolled on creep or by ling / banes waves and just try to play without many ghosts Probably not, but lower level zergs will have WAY less units, and are rather kept in check my money mine hits, unattended drops and suiciding armies into tank lines. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
I think we can live with ghost for a couple of weeks. Plus every match up feels great to watch right now (except maybe zvz that seems to be back into the "throwing bullshit and seeing if it stick" phase) | ||
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dysenterymd
1250 Posts
On July 25 2022 06:58 Slydie wrote: Probably not, but lower level zergs will have WAY less units, and are rather kept in check my money mine hits, unattended drops and suiciding armies into tank lines. I don't think that's unique to the lower level Zerg experience though, Starcraft II has all kinds of things where a momentary lapse in attention will just destroy your game. I'm sure lower level Terran/Protoss feel the same about baneling runbys, for example. I wonder if SC2 would have been more successful as an esport if some of these unit interactions were more forgiving, and the game ended less abruptly after mistakes that, while rare on the pro level, are super common for everyone else. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On July 25 2022 06:58 Slydie wrote: Probably not, but lower level zergs will have WAY less units, and are rather kept in check my money mine hits, unattended drops and suiciding armies into tank lines. and lower level terrans will also have way less units and will be kept in check with money Bane hits, unattended Nydus and suiciding armies on Creep | ||
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virpi
Germany3599 Posts
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TossHeroes
281 Posts
On July 25 2022 05:55 Balnazza wrote: I made a minor comment about Ghosts, who are just not really fun to watch...though I don't like watching terran in general, so that can be that. But if you are so invested into balance-whining, maybe just switch to AoE 2/4? There Civ-balance doesn't matter that much, so you can finally enjoy watching a tournament Man, Serral really throws games hard this tourney. That 2nd game is one he usually would never give away in a million years. Even if he gets passed Astrea (which is still highly likely) I don't really see him win against Clem, who doesn't play amazing at all, but just super consistent Same here. I’m not a fan of watching terrans play either. Not cause the race is boring or lack of skills, but mainly cause the terran fanboys are insufferable. Years and years of complaining every time T doesn’t win a tournament. This Imba that OP, map op, A move etc. And when a T does win they start bragging and pump their chest saying nonsense such as T hardest race to play or “just play like Maru” | ||
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dysenterymd
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jack_less
78 Posts
On July 25 2022 07:08 Charoisaur wrote: and lower level terrans will also have way less units and will be kept in check with money Bane hits, unattended Nydus and suiciding armies on Creep The whole point of what is easier x/y/z is difficult to evaluate. Example: Zerg should actually be pretty good for beginners, all hatch on a hotkey to build units. But regular inject, you work a lot with vision -> creep/overload, no proper wall or other races haras via air ways. on the other hand you have with Toss a race that can warp 6xdifferent units. but you can easily make the wall wrong, build irregular units (too few?) etc.. the whole thing can now be done with Terran as well... with advantages and after parts for beginners... | ||
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Topin
Peru10112 Posts
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Moonerz
United States461 Posts
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