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Waxangel
United States33592 Posts
HomeStory Cup XXI - July 21-24Enjoy! | ||
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geokilla
Canada8246 Posts
I don't think there's an advantage to Reynor going up to 100 Probes off 4 bases... | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
On July 22 2022 00:30 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: RIP Solar. Looked like he had that game until suddenly he didn't. he completely had it and honestly butchered countless engages, that was even a bit hard to watch | ||
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tigera6
3483 Posts
On July 22 2022 00:22 geokilla wrote: Dead LR? Wow. I don't think there's an advantage to Reynor going up to 100 Probes off 4 bases... He can have a bank early and re-max immediately on 20 Gateways to defend. And Solar keep smashing into that PRotoss wall of defense on 4 base while on a similar economy instead of out-growing Reynor. Clearly Solar thought he was playing against the herO style, but in fact he should be thinking about it as the Maru turtle style but with Gateway unit. Tech up, get the Lurker out and choking the Protoss on 4-5 base. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
On July 22 2022 00:33 tigera6 wrote: He can have a bank early and re-max immediately on 20 Gateways to defend. And Solar keep smashing into that PRotoss wall of defense on 4 base while on a similar economy instead of out-growing Reynor. Clearly Solar thought he was playing against the herO style, but in fact he should be thinking about it as the Maru turtle style but with Gateway unit. Tech up, get the Lurker out and choking the Protoss on 4-5 base. I don't think his take on the style Reynor showcased on the second game was that bad, but in many engagements (especially when two or more were happening at the same time) he mismicroed or retreated erroneously apparently because of F2, otherwise he should have had it when he reduced Reynor to ~50 workers imo | ||
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tigera6
3483 Posts
On July 22 2022 00:44 [PkF] Wire wrote: I don't think his take on the style Reynor showcased on the second game was that bad, but in many engagements (especially when two or more were happening at the same time) he mismicroed or retreated erroneously apparently because of F2, otherwise he should have had it when he reduced Reynor to ~50 workers imo Yeah it wasnt bad at first but then Solar lost control when Reynor start to set up the defense properly, and wast to frantic to take fight even though it was a bad one. Thats the equivalent of fighting into 4 base Terran with full tech and defense setup. imo, he needs to switch gear into playing the grinding "mode" for it to work. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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Elentos
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On July 22 2022 02:08 sudete wrote: Neeb PvP in the gutter but he's sharp enough in the other matchups Meanwhile, Classic's PvP is sharp AF but his other matchups are in the gutter. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
On July 22 2022 02:25 Elentos wrote: Meanwhile, Classic's PvP is sharp AF but his other matchups are in the gutter. two philosophies of life | ||
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Waxangel
United States33592 Posts
The lack of player cams, replacing the couch with a proper desk, not having players take over casting on the main stream, and not having the B-stream be manned by an unplanned crew of players and guests in the basement makes it feel like a 'normal' premier tournament and not an HSC. | ||
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aringadingding
481 Posts
 (A and B)well well well. Sad as fuck. | ||
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aringadingding
481 Posts
On July 22 2022 03:19 Waxangel wrote: Maybe it's just cause it's day one but it feels a lot different from the last 'proper' HSC in Krefeld? (HSC19) The lack of player cams, replacing the couch with a proper desk, not having players take over casting on the main stream, and not having the B-stream be manned by an unplanned crew of players and guests in the basement makes it feel like a 'normal' premier tournament and not an HSC. I agree | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On July 22 2022 05:21 aringadingding wrote: lol, so out of 8 tosses 1 advances from the group stages (A and B)well well well. Sad as fuck. One of Harstem and Dns could still make it though | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
On July 22 2022 05:51 dbRic1203 wrote: One of Harstem and Dns could still make it though not Dns I think, he has a terrible map score | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
edit : more on paper than in game though, that was a bit of a disaster for Lambo ^^ | ||
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Wardi
England898 Posts
On July 22 2022 03:19 Waxangel wrote: Maybe it's just cause it's day one but it feels a lot different from the last 'proper' HSC in Krefeld? (HSC19) The lack of player cams, replacing the couch with a proper desk, not having players take over casting on the main stream, and not having the B-stream be manned by an unplanned crew of players and guests in the basement makes it feel like a 'normal' premier tournament and not an HSC. Disagree, it’s the same desk we always have at HSC only destroyed to fit with the theme, I don’t think plane chairs are exactly normal. The first day always has fewer player casts because everyone is still in the event. Idk why we don’t have player cams though, there are cameras in the rooms with at least 6 players of the group in them. B stream was an issue because they could never get anybody to cast it so it makes sense to give it to people who will cover the games properly. Feels extremely HSC at the venue - more so than I was expecting | ||
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Waxangel
United States33592 Posts
On July 22 2022 07:50 Wardi wrote: Feels extremely HSC at the venue - more so than I was expecting Well, I guess good for the people there then. From the streaming viewing side there's just not as much of a "being there" feel as some previous HSC's so far outside of a few prepared bits which were nice. There's just some stretches where it feels too much like the familiar desk-match-desk-break-desk-match-break loop | ||
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TaKeTV
Germany1200 Posts
Thats why we decided against it. Day 3 + 4 will have playercams. And players usually warm up a bit and join day 2+3+4 more than day 1. We had coco, rushi, maddox on the couch (not sure if more guests). And we have four talents over a little less. There will also be more minigames through all the days as sidecontent. In the end we have to set a schedule and fit it pretty tightly since we have to present our partners , play twitch ads etc. Feel free to present your opinion on how we could improve and we will gladly look into it! - NarutO Edit: B-Stream was outsourced cause we have a big show-kitchen so we have the big main studio and we have the studio (white-label usually) where Indy and me (german stream, naruto) took the spot. Thus our B-Stream is feardragon and Zombiegrub who we believe did a great job too Loved the shark at ZG :D | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On July 22 2022 09:10 TaKeTV wrote: We had coco, rushi, maddox on the couch (not sure if more guests). And we have four talents over a little less. Also goblin even tough he plays today | ||
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tigera6
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Harris1st
Germany7154 Posts
On July 22 2022 15:30 tigera6 wrote: Wow, just realize that 7/8 players eliminated in the first day were Protoss. This could continue into day 2, it seems. Meanwhile Reynor offracing with Protoss beats Solar. Insert "Just play like Reynor"-meme | ||
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t5Fab
183 Posts
I'm just sad it's during work hours, I'd love to keep it on as background, but I can't on the office VPN. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17729 Posts
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darklycid
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On July 22 2022 20:14 darklycid wrote: Now I want some zoo shots with soO for soO in the zoO puns. SoOperb puns coming soOn to a stream near you. | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On July 22 2022 20:21 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: SoOperb puns coming soOn to a stream near you. oh that is soO awful | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
Awww, I thought it was soOprisingly good  | ||
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Durnuu
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2655 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On July 23 2022 00:41 TheLordofAwesome wrote: Why don't they show who is casting on the main stream. All previous HSCs did this as far as I can remember. Like right now, I know Lowko is casting but no clue who the other two are. They don't have the tech to do that kinda thing yet while stranded on an island. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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tigera6
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2450 Posts
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swarminfestor
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swarminfestor
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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tigera6
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On July 23 2022 01:44 tigera6 wrote: Astrea beating Clem, Zoun, Soo, only to lose to Mana and Nice, epic style Makes MaxPax all the more impressive since it really seems like he's the only one with great consistent PvP. If you let herO have MaxPax's PvP he'd be getting top 4 at every single tournament. | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On July 23 2022 01:46 Pandain wrote: Makes MaxPax all the more impressive since it really seems like he's the only one with great consistent PvP. If you let herO have MaxPax's PvP he'd be getting top 4 at every single tournament. i mean to be fair that's kinda what he's started doing | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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Poopi
France12911 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4967 Posts
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Durnuu
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Elentos
55571 Posts
On July 23 2022 05:28 Poopi wrote: Insane series from GuMiho. Was he a replacement man as well? There's almost as many replacements as non-replaced players  | ||
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Elentos
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On July 23 2022 02:36 Schelim wrote: i mean to be fair that's kinda what he's started doing Yeah PvP's not really been holding herO back outside of occasional ESL cups | ||
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dysenterymd
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Waxangel
United States33592 Posts
On July 23 2022 05:26 Schelim wrote: Gumiho is a literal god hey have u heard of a certain nickname of his  ? | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On July 23 2022 05:35 Waxangel wrote: hey have u heard of a certain nickname of his ?HAVE I EVER i've loved Gumigod's style since forever :D | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://www.computerhope.com/jargon/c/carebear.jpg) | ||
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geokilla
Canada8246 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
I've seen everything | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4967 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
btw one of Creator / Serral will probably be out right ? (if Ryung wins vs goblin) | ||
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Waxangel
United States33592 Posts
On July 22 2022 09:10 TaKeTV wrote: We do not have player cams in the first two days because we simply lack the the equipment and means to move it all the time. We have very fast moving games. We do not have 6 additional cameras to have fixed points of view and moving it behind players (or in front) is akward. Thats why we decided against it. Day 3 + 4 will have playercams. And players usually warm up a bit and join day 2+3+4 more than day 1. We had coco, rushi, maddox on the couch (not sure if more guests). And we have four talents over a little less. There will also be more minigames through all the days as sidecontent. In the end we have to set a schedule and fit it pretty tightly since we have to present our partners , play twitch ads etc. Feel free to present your opinion on how we could improve and we will gladly look into it! - NarutO Edit: B-Stream was outsourced cause we have a big show-kitchen so we have the big main studio and we have the studio (white-label usually) where Indy and me (german stream, naruto) took the spot. Thus our B-Stream is feardragon and Zombiegrub who we believe did a great job too Loved the shark at ZG :Dday 2 is really fantastic | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4967 Posts
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dysenterymd
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On July 23 2022 07:01 [PkF] Wire wrote: Zergs need infested ghosts hahaha btw one of Creator / Serral is out for sure right ? As long as Ryung wins one of them is out, unless Serral 2-1 Creator and Ryung 2-1 Goblin, in which case creator is 4-3 with +3 and Ryung is 4-3 with +2 | ||
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Waxangel
United States33592 Posts
On July 23 2022 05:52 Nakajin wrote: Gumibear fighting!!! Take that silly world champion! + Show Spoiler + that's a carebear | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
On July 23 2022 07:04 dysenterymd wrote: As long as Ryung wins one of them is out, unless Serral 2-1 Creator and Ryung 2-1 Goblin, in which case creator is 4-3 with +3 and Ryung is 4-3 with +2 yeah that's what I figured, thx. So Ryung 2-0ing (rather likely) would guarantee only the winner of Serral - Creator goes through, kinda unexpected ! | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
Gumiho - Gumibro - Gumibear - Carebear seems like the logic track to me! | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
Ok, sure I'll take the 15 k$ | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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Captain Peabody
United States3128 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
Welcome to SC2 team Basilisk! | ||
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Waxangel
United States33592 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
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NotSoHappy
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JJH777
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
On July 23 2022 08:44 JJH777 wrote: Groups A and B being significantly weaker than C and D created a very strange playoff bracket. With Serral starting in the first round of lower bracket and Reynor being very vulnerable lately it seems like anything can happen here. Is there a chance we have our first new premier winner (at least for international events) in many years? reasonable chance yeah, that should be very interesting ! | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On July 23 2022 08:44 JJH777 wrote: Groups A and B being significantly weaker than C and D created a very strange playoff bracket. With Serral starting in the first round of lower bracket and Reynor being very vulnerable lately it seems like anything can happen here. Is there a chance we have our first new premier winner (at least for international events) in many years? If Reynor loses to Astrea extremely good chance. Because previous winners soO/Serral will knock each other out, and then if Reynor loses it'll be Reynor vs the winner of them. And then I would put under 50/50 odds Reynor/Serral still ends up winning from there (still decent chance though). Very exciting! But I expect Reynor to plow through the upper bracket haha. Poor Astrea. Best performance in a couple years arguably and his reward is Reynor into Serral lol Also what a drop in race distribution haha. From 18 protoss to 4. | ||
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SHODAN
United Kingdom1153 Posts
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Lokol18
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warnull
United States280 Posts
On July 23 2022 08:44 JJH777 wrote: Groups A and B being significantly weaker than C and D created a very strange playoff bracket. With Serral starting in the first round of lower bracket and Reynor being very vulnerable lately it seems like anything can happen here. Is there a chance we have our first new premier winner (at least for international events) in many years? Isn't Group A the strongest out of the four? | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
Not even close. It's easily the weakest group of the 4. | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
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warnull
United States280 Posts
On July 23 2022 12:16 Vindicare605 wrote: Not even close. It's easily the weakest group of the 4. We must have different evaluations of the strengths of various players then. My ranking of the groups is A > B > C > D. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On July 23 2022 14:38 warnull wrote: We must have different evaluations of the strengths of various players then. My ranking of the groups is A > B > C > D. Yeah, I'd have picked A as the strongest too, Skillous and Classic would have advanced in most other groups imo. | ||
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Slydie
1935 Posts
On July 23 2022 14:09 dbRic1203 wrote: Raza and Kelazhur where the only non- Protoss players eliminated Does it even mean that much when Protoss players made over half the starting field? They were destined to stealing wins from eachother in PvP. Protoss runnerups in 3 of the 4 groups is a sign the race/players are still competeteive, which is very good for the variety of games. | ||
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Elentos
55571 Posts
On July 23 2022 14:38 warnull wrote: We must have different evaluations of the strengths of various players then. My ranking of the groups is A > B > C > D. I would say D > A > C >= B. I think B > D makes no sense given the state of the players these days. | ||
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InfCereal
Canada1759 Posts
On July 23 2022 16:53 Slydie wrote: Does it even mean that much when Protoss players made over half the starting field? They were destined to stealing wins from eachother in PvP. Protoss runnerups in 3 of the 4 groups is a sign the race/players are still competeteive, which is very good for the variety of games. Even if 100% of the participants were protoss, someone would make a post saying everyone eliminated in groups was protoss. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17729 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26658 Posts
On July 23 2022 19:53 Die4Ever wrote: lol Elazer just abducted one of his own lurkers to save it from liberator fire Abducting your own units to own the libs | ||
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Elentos
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26658 Posts
On July 23 2022 20:08 Elentos wrote: Showtime is looking damn good this tournament. Not even bringing the classical lack of killer instinct yet. Give it time. Good to see his form so far, like his style and he’s one of those players that pretty much always looks good, even in defeat. | ||
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dysenterymd
1250 Posts
On July 23 2022 20:08 Elentos wrote: Showtime is looking damn good this tournament. Not even bringing the classical lack of killer instinct yet. He almost looks good enough to win the tournament, though if Serral is slumping super hard Showtime 2-0 Serral doesn't tell us much about his ability to beat Reynor. I dare not hope. | ||
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Elentos
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Elentos
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On July 23 2022 20:38 Elentos wrote: Sadly Showtime didn't manage to take a single good fight this game Yeah too many workers and 3 useless Carriers weren't so good | ||
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Elentos
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tigera6
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Argonauta
Spain4967 Posts
On July 23 2022 20:40 Charoisaur wrote: Yeah too many workers and 3 useless Carriers weren't so good if you go carriers I think you need to back them up with storm to prevent clumped vikings to snipe them | ||
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aringadingding
481 Posts
On July 23 2022 16:53 Slydie wrote: Does it even mean that much when Protoss players made over half the starting field? They were destined to stealing wins from eachother in PvP. Protoss runnerups in 3 of the 4 groups is a sign the race/players are still competeteive, which is very good for the variety of games. well, thats one way to look at it. But for example, having a group of 8 players where 4 is tosses it kind of sticks out that all 4 are eliminated, rather than to reason like you do. There were more than 50 percent toss playing in the tourney and almost 90 % was eliminated... Imagine if there were 18 terrans in the tourney and only 4 went to the playoffs (and where 2 of those 4 were moving on because of two groups with 5 terrans). I think TL.net would break because of the endless salt. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17729 Posts
edit: actually they're 3-3 | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On July 23 2022 21:26 Argonauta wrote: if you go carriers I think you need to back them up with storm to prevent clumped vikings to snipe them yeah and you need more than 3, just 3 don't add much to your army especially when they have like 1-1 upgrades against 3-3 Bio | ||
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Slydie
1935 Posts
On July 23 2022 21:39 aringadingding wrote: well, thats one way to look at it. But for example, having a group of 8 players where 4 is tosses it kind of sticks out that all 4 are eliminated, rather than to reason like you do. There were more than 50 percent toss playing in the tourney and almost 90 % was eliminated... Imagine if there were 18 terrans in the tourney and only 4 went to the playoffs (and where 2 of those 4 were moving on because of two groups with 5 terrans). I think TL.net would break because of the endless salt. You got to love forum math... 14/18=78% were eliminated. 2 strong tosses were eliminated as close 5ths in the groups, if both went through, things would look very normal. That so many tosses showed up should be worrisome for the depth of pro zergs and terrans. | ||
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dysenterymd
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On July 23 2022 22:40 Slydie wrote: You got to love forum math... 14/18=78% were eliminated. 2 strong tosses were eliminated as close 5ths in the groups, if both went through, things would look very normal. That so many tosses showed up should be worrisome for the depth of pro zergs and terrans. Pre replacements there were meant to be "only" 15 toss, but toss is very over represented in the third tier of non-Korean pros (the sort of people who qualify for most DHM but never make deep runs.) I don't think it's anything to be worried about though. | ||
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tigera6
3483 Posts
And Lambo is playing as passively as its possible. | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2719 Posts
On July 23 2022 23:04 tigera6 wrote: Why are we waiting for both series to finish before getting into the next pair? this could take forever if there are a couple Bo5 2-hrs long in there. And Lambo is playing as passively as its possible. Bc there's no b stream and they're trying to cover as mamy series as possible | ||
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tigera6
3483 Posts
On July 23 2022 23:08 argonautdice wrote: Bc there's no b stream and they're trying to cover as mamy series as possible I understand that there are 2 matches playing at the same time, otherwise we would have to go through 14 Bo5 in total. The lack of a English B-stream is weird but other channel are casting the 2nd game, but now everything are just on one series. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
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Captain Peabody
United States3128 Posts
Great to see him making such a deep run, always been a fan. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
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dysenterymd
1250 Posts
On July 24 2022 00:14 Charoisaur wrote: I think it's crazy that so many Zergs don't veto Waterfall this tournament Stargazer is similarly easy to split (I guess the gold exists but it's not super easy to hold) and has more potential for shenanigans. I can understand playing waterfall instead until the meta settles, even if it is smaller. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
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tigera6
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Slydie
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On July 24 2022 02:15 tigera6 wrote: It seems like Reynor would have a better chance playing Protoss. Having said that, this was a small map, and things would be much different on bigger maps. Ouch, Reynor looked helpless in that game 2, Astrea played him like a fiddle! Nice to see no respect from the US toss. | ||
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aringadingding
481 Posts
On July 23 2022 22:40 Slydie wrote: You got to love forum math... 14/18=78% were eliminated. 2 strong tosses were eliminated as close 5ths in the groups, if both went through, things would look very normal. That so many tosses showed up should be worrisome for the depth of pro zergs and terrans. what i was supposed to write was "... almost 90 % of the eliminated players where toss players" (i.e. 14 out of the 16 eliminated, which is roughly 90 percent). But my point in my first comment was that i did not agree that the result of 14 of the 16 elimated was toss just because there were a lot of toss players. At least no to this extent. But nevermind. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
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tigera6
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Slydie
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On July 24 2022 02:54 [PkF] Wire wrote: that g3 is actually pretty sick Indeed! Nailbiter! | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12449 Posts
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
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tigera6
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Die4Ever
United States17729 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On July 24 2022 02:57 Nebuchad wrote: Not a new observation but the way the casters are very entirely sure Reynor is still a favourite to win the series at 0-2 is part of what makes it hard for me to watch games. I agree in general, the Reynor Serral bias gets a bit hectic. But to be fair, in this series...XD | ||
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starkiller123
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dysenterymd
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Captain Peabody
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
On July 24 2022 02:57 Nebuchad wrote: Not a new observation but the way the casters are very entirely sure Reynor is still a favourite to win the series at 0-2 is part of what makes it hard for me to watch games. I mean look who is casting. It'd be really strange to not hear a lot of bias in every cast. | ||
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Moonerz
United States461 Posts
I think Reynors desk was wobbly | ||
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Elentos
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tigera6
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
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Captain Peabody
United States3128 Posts
2022, the year of NA? | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12449 Posts
On July 24 2022 03:43 Vindicare605 wrote: I mean look who is casting. It'd be really strange to not hear a lot of bias in every cast. Do you think it's bias though? I think it was a decent call, even if it was wrong this time. | ||
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xelnaga_empire
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On July 24 2022 03:46 xelnaga_empire wrote: Wow, Protoss is performing very well against Zerg now. Hero doing very well against Zerg in Korea, and now you see Neeb and Astrea do well against Zerg. quick time to buff zerg | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On July 24 2022 03:43 Elentos wrote: 2 NA players in the top 6, oh boy Top 6, lol just wait for the inevitable grand final USA pvp | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
On July 24 2022 03:46 Nebuchad wrote: Do you think it's bias though? I think it was a decent call, even if it was wrong this time. yeah I don't get why you seemed to be angry about that, if you had forced me with a gun on my temple to bet on the winner I'd have said Reynor (and I'd be dead now after having heaved a sigh of relief at many points in g5) and I'm pretty sure I'm far from the only one | ||
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tigera6
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On July 24 2022 03:46 xelnaga_empire wrote: Wow, Protoss is performing very well against Zerg now. Hero doing very well against Zerg in Korea, and now you see Neeb and Astrea do well against Zerg. Also, ShowTime 2-0 Serral as well. Protoss has always done decent against Zerg in general before, like Zest taken down Reynor and Serral. The issue is the Grand Final of the tournaments, where Zerg just flip the script and straight up smashing the Toss. Other than Trap for a certain period last year, that has been the general direction of PvZ. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
On July 24 2022 03:46 Nebuchad wrote: Do you think it's bias though? I think it was a decent call, even if it was wrong this time. It's bias. It's consistent and it's predictable. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On July 24 2022 03:46 xelnaga_empire wrote: Wow, Protoss is performing very well against Zerg now. Hero doing very well against Zerg in Korea, and now you see Neeb and Astrea do well against Zerg. Also, ShowTime 2-0 Serral as well. Just Zergs taking it easy at the moment, at the next world championship they will practice and destroy everyone again  No seriously, Protoss really seems a lot stronger in the matchup, surprised what a simple Queen change can do. | ||
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Elentos
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On July 24 2022 03:48 Nakajin wrote: Top 6, lol just wait for the inevitable grand final USA pvp NA running rampant, is this what happens when Korea sends the *checks number of replacements* D-team? | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On July 24 2022 03:50 Charoisaur wrote: Just Zergs taking it easy at the moment, at the next world championship they will practice and destroy everyone again No seriously, Protoss really seems a lot stronger in the matchup, surprised what a simple Queen change can do. Makes the matchup 1000x better as well. Is it crazy to say it's the best matchup atm? | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
On July 24 2022 03:50 Charoisaur wrote: Just Zergs taking it easy at the moment, at the next world championship they will practice and destroy everyone again No seriously, Protoss really seems a lot stronger in the matchup, surprised what a simple Queen change can do. Are you really surprised that nerfing the Queen has a big impact on the match up? The Queen is such an overutilized unit in the Zerg roster (not really the players' fault just a design flaw in how Zerg is designed in SC2) that nerfing it a ripple effect across the whole roster. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
On July 24 2022 04:00 Pandain wrote: Makes the matchup 1000x better as well. Is it crazy to say it's the best matchup atm? Did you watch Maru vs Dark? Safe to say that TvZ still has that locked up. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On July 24 2022 03:49 Vindicare605 wrote: It's bias. It's consistent and it's predictable. Are the wrong tho? I mean all three of them are pro they made a carreer playing against Reynor, and also Astrea, quite a lot. If the feel even down 0-2 that he'll win (which they didn't say at all btw). Surelly they are well placed to think it's a reasonable statement? | ||
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Elentos
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On July 24 2022 04:00 Vindicare605 wrote: Did you watch Maru vs Dark? Safe to say that TvZ still has that locked up. I don't think Maru's brand of TvZ is for everyone. And GSL was far worse than the DH finals. | ||
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JJH777
United States4416 Posts
On July 24 2022 03:50 Charoisaur wrote: Just Zergs taking it easy at the moment, at the next world championship they will practice and destroy everyone again No seriously, Protoss really seems a lot stronger in the matchup, surprised what a simple Queen change can do. The first part but not sarcastically. If there was a $100k to first place tournament a month from now I'd bet 90% on the top 4 Zergs, 5% for Maru, and 5% for everyone else. The top 4 Zergs, especially Rogue/Reynor, really don't put as much effort in when there is less money around. Serral didn't even show for Valencia. | ||
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Elentos
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On July 24 2022 04:03 JJH777 wrote: The first part but not sarcastically. If there was a $100k to first place tournament a month from now I'd bet 90% on the top 4 Zergs, 5% for Maru, and 5% for everyone else. The top 4 Zergs, especially Rogue/Reynor, really don't put as much effort in when there is less money around. Serral didn't even show for Valencia. Valencia has more than double the prize pool than HSC. Serral missed that one for other reasons. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26658 Posts
On July 24 2022 03:45 Captain Peabody wrote: it's nuts that the winner's bracket semi-final is Astrea vs Neeb 2022, the year of NA? It is currently the #YearofHarstem, but perhaps by 2023 | ||
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Elentos
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On July 24 2022 04:08 WombaT wrote: It is currently the #YearofHarstem, but perhaps by 2023 The #CenturyofHarstem never stops. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26658 Posts
On July 24 2022 04:03 Nakajin wrote: Are the wrong tho? I mean all three of them are pro they made a carreer playing against Reynor, and also Astrea, quite a lot. If the feel even down 0-2 that he'll win (which they didn't say at all btw). Surelly they are well placed to think it's a reasonable statement? I missed the cast, perhaps it was over the top but I can’t judge that by my own sensibilities. I was refreshing the score and saw Reynor was 2-0 up and went ‘ah it’s Reynor he’ll probably claw it back’. Don’t think that’s unreasonable at all. Astrea’s an excellent pro but Reynor’s up a tier to the extent he’s pulling out wins against credible pros with his own Protoss in big tournaments. Great scalp from Maximum Angle, certainly wasn’t expecting to see an all-American showdown at this stage of the bracket! | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7154 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26658 Posts
You misspelt Millennium there brother. | ||
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Elentos
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On July 24 2022 04:14 Harris1st wrote: Bit late to the party. Is there no English b stream? Nope. We need Probe back for the next HSC so someone takes B stream duty. The main stream is technically in both series but they always focus on one series and only show parts of the other when time allows it. They just never were a particularly good team. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On July 24 2022 04:03 JJH777 wrote: The first part but not sarcastically. If there was a $100k to first place tournament a month from now I'd bet 90% on the top 4 Zergs, 5% for Maru, and 5% for everyone else. The top 4 Zergs, especially Rogue/Reynor, really don't put as much effort in when there is less money around. Serral didn't even show for Valencia. You might not be wrong but just from the eye-test PvZ feels much more fair than before. Before the patch I felt like Protoss could only win if the Zerg made a mistake and had little room to outplay the Zerg, that's really not the case anymore | ||
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darklycid
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On July 24 2022 04:26 Charoisaur wrote: You might not be wrong but just from the eye-test PvZ feels much more fair than before. Before the patch I felt like Protoss could only win if the Zerg made a mistake and had little room to outplay the Zerg, that's really not the case anymore I think it's because a lost fight for the toss doesn't lead to a slow death animation as stalkers and zealots are way more expendable. | ||
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JJH777
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On July 24 2022 04:26 Charoisaur wrote: You might not be wrong but just from the eye-test PvZ feels much more fair than before. Before the patch I felt like Protoss could only win if the Zerg made a mistake and had little room to outplay the Zerg, that's really not the case anymore Yeah it's more fair for sure. Before the patch it didn't matter if half the top Zergs missed an event or if they weren't in perfect shape. One of the Zergs present there would still win or at the very least be in the finals. Seeing Zerg actually do bad at an event for the first time since like 2018 is amazing. Though one of Serral/Reynor could still make a lower bracket run and win anyways. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
edit: still good enough | ||
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Elentos
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What a terrible fight to end it all though | ||
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LostUsername100
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Watching this is like watching paint dry though, something for map makers consider. | ||
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Javah
France739 Posts
On July 24 2022 04:43 Waxangel wrote: Kind of fun to see how a few map tweaks turn the cancer Terran style from something 'only Maru can do' into something that many of the top 10-15 Terrans can execute at a high level. Little changes make a whole lot of difference. Exactly. Now the meta may stabilize into something else pretty soon if zergs figure it out but so far it's not obvious how. Maybe through swarmhosts to better the trades? | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
On July 24 2022 04:43 Waxangel wrote: Kind of fun to see how a few map tweaks turn the cancer Terran style from something 'only Maru can do' into something that many of the top 10-15 Terrans can execute at a high level. Little changes make a whole lot of difference. What you mean Zergs have a harder time winning when the map pool doesn't blatantly favor them? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you! | ||
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Elentos
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On July 24 2022 04:47 Nakajin wrote: Really liking Raza and Teebull casting, I can't remember hearing either of them cast before. Always nice to hear some new voices. HSC has always been a good way to find out which players would have what it takes to make it as casters. | ||
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darklycid
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On July 24 2022 04:52 Elentos wrote: HSC has always been a good way to find out which players would have what it takes to make it as casters. It's the British flair isn't it :D | ||
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Waxangel
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On July 24 2022 04:52 Elentos wrote: HSC has always been a good way to find out which players would have what it takes to make it as casters. All-UK desk right after USA confirms top three is neo-colonialism | ||
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dysenterymd
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On July 24 2022 05:11 Elentos wrote: Alright winner of Zoun vs Gumiho will be the sole carrier of the Korean torch at this event. Gumi's been looking solid, too. Hopefully Gumi wins, I think Gumi vs Reynor would be an interesting match. Would love to see what weird stuff he has cooked up for the new maps | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12449 Posts
On July 24 2022 03:49 [PkF] Wire wrote: yeah I don't get why you seemed to be angry about that, if you had forced me with a gun on my temple to bet on the winner I'd have said Reynor (and I'd be dead now after having heaved a sigh of relief at many points in g5) and I'm pretty sure I'm far from the only one Wasn't really angry, just kind of hopeless you know. Your player gets to 2-0 and you think okay, probably still losing, and then everyone else comes to confirm that you're right to think you're still doomed... But hey he win this time, that's nice | ||
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Slydie
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Is the zvt "solution" in the form of lurkers, infestors and more careful trades found already? | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On July 24 2022 05:27 Slydie wrote: It just feels so "right" that Zerg is forced to be agressive against Terran on some of these maps, great play by Serral! Is the zvt "solution" in the form of lurkers, infestors and more careful trades found already? that's not new at all, Serral has done that a lot against Maru (and lost) | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On July 24 2022 05:28 Charoisaur wrote: that's not new at all, Serral has done that a lot against Maru (and lost) Tbf he has also done it and won, I think it depend a lot on what exactly the composition is for the terran. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On July 24 2022 05:34 Nakajin wrote: Tbf he has also done it and won, I think it depend a lot on what exactly the composition is for the terran. Don't remember that, doesn't he usually win his games against Maru with midgame Ling Bane attacks? my point was more that this isn't something new anyway | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
On July 24 2022 05:23 Nebuchad wrote: Wasn't really angry, just kind of hopeless you know. Your player gets to 2-0 and you think okay, probably still losing, and then everyone else comes to confirm that you're right to think you're still doomed... But hey he win this time, that's nice I get it . I'm happy for you, Astrea played really well | ||
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Slydie
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On July 24 2022 06:05 Elentos wrote: Looks like Gumigod is soon to be Gumigone. Hype group stage into quick depression. Is that game even streamed? The admins seem to think a terrible game of beer pong is better entertainment😒 True story: beer pong at afterski parties in the Alps played an important part in making COVID explode quickly throughout Europe😳 | ||
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bela.mervado
Hungary408 Posts
On July 24 2022 06:10 Slydie wrote: Is that game even streamed? The admins seem to think a terrible game of beer pong is better entertainment😒 True story: beer pong at afterski parties in the Alps played an important part in making COVID explode quickly throughout Europe😳 https://tl.net/video/streams/IntoTheiNu | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On July 24 2022 06:32 Pandain wrote: Who is the guy other than Whitera and Rotti/demu? chat command says its Cloud. Haven't seen him in close to a decade. He's another of the OG players | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
On July 24 2022 07:13 tantalus wrote: Anywhere I can see the Showtime/Serral game? I'm kinda bummed there's been no B Streams at all today. wow the lower round 3 is today ? And I thought I could go to sleep after that PZvZ... | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On July 24 2022 07:14 [PkF] Wire wrote: wow the lower round 3 is today ? And I thought I could go to sleep after that PZvZ... 2 more rounds of PvZ before bed Pray that no hives are made  | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
On July 24 2022 07:16 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: 2 more rounds of PvZ before bed Pray that no hives are made haha I'm tired and have to get up early tomorrow but I kinda want to see ShoWTime Serral, Serral can't be happy with the bo3 they played yesterday and is bound to have analyzed it thoroughly, I'm very curious to see how it goes this time | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2655 Posts
On July 24 2022 07:32 [PkF] Wire wrote: turns out starting 2 games behind by not playing your main is not such a good idea after all is that what happened? lol | ||
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yoshi245
United States2972 Posts
On July 24 2022 07:32 [PkF] Wire wrote: turns out starting 2 games behind by not playing your main is not such a good idea after all I can see the logic going both ways on playing the offrace or the main in the first couple of games in a Bo5, especially in HSC where it's more of a relaxed tournament atmosphere overall too. Still, would've loved to see Reynor getting a win with his offrace toss in this series but Elazer is too good for that. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
On July 24 2022 07:36 yoshi245 wrote: I can see the logic going both ways on playing the offrace or the main in the first couple of games in a Bo5, especially in HSC where it's more of a relaxed tournament atmosphere overall too. Still, would've loved to see Reynor getting a win with his offrace toss in this series but Elazer is too good for that. I get the logic too (and HSC is indeed the most appropriate tourney for such shenanigans) and Elazer just said he was legit scared of his PvZ, I don't believe Reynor was trolling and ofc it's easy to criticize in retrospect, but with the results you've got to wonder if he wouldn't have won in a straight ZvZ bo5 | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
On July 24 2022 07:39 TheLordofAwesome wrote: have any matches in showtime vs serral been played yet? I don't believe so, they kept it for the main stream I think with IntoTheiNu taking care of Zoun vs Elazer at the same time | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1905 Posts
On July 24 2022 07:39 TheLordofAwesome wrote: have any matches in showtime vs serral been played yet? no | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
On July 24 2022 07:41 Nakajin wrote: I feel like the off-race spott kind of always end up the same. At first it's really good since the other players aren't quite used to the little quirk in their play and as time goes on it stale on a certain level and theu go back to their main race. I mean Neeb went all the way after having reached a pretty promising level with T but I just don't see Reynor do the same and once the surprise effect fades you've got at least one more mu (and one more race) to practice, I don't think it'll ever be worth the effort | ||
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darklycid
3541 Posts
On July 24 2022 07:44 [PkF] Wire wrote: I mean Neeb went all the way after having reached a pretty promising level with T but I just don't see Reynor do the same and once the surprise effect fades you've got at least one more mu (and one more race) to practice, I don't think it'll ever be worth the effort Tbf didn't neeb do the swap to the start of legacy? Seems like a way more soild point in time to do that :D | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
On July 24 2022 07:46 darklycid wrote: Tbf didn't neeb do the swap to the start of legacy? Seems like a way more soild point in time to do that :D you're right I just checked and he probably swapped when the beta was launched, I thought it was like 1 year before. Yeah that's a good reason why it was easier for him to do the full switch  | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On July 24 2022 07:44 [PkF] Wire wrote: I mean Neeb went all the way after having reached a pretty promising level with T but I just don't see Reynor do the same and once the surprise effect fades you've got at least one more mu (and one more race) to practice, I don't think it'll ever be worth the effort Yea plus Reynor is like what? A 3 time back-to-back-to-back world champion finalist, I say stick with what you're doing lol, not sure that whole pvz thing is really worth it. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26658 Posts
On July 24 2022 07:37 darklycid wrote: Yeah even if reynors protoss is really good (if elazer isn't overdoing the praise) i still belive splitting the practise on 2 races still makes it harder on you than heavily practising one. I could see it helping certain personalities. SC2 pros grind an ungodly amount of games, and especially with a player who’s conquered the biggest mountains in the game, I could see having some new challenge really keeping motivation levels up. I could definitely see Reynor being such a fellow, even when reaching an equivalent standard he’s not been quite as rock solid consistent as Serral and his form fluctuates a bit anyway. He’s supposedly willing to give Code S another shot, guy just seems to like to mix it up to keep him engaged. I doubt he actually intended to play Protoss in tournament play initially anyway, wanted to see how far he could push it in weeklies and pushed it further than he thought so may as well try the next level. And hey I’m glad he gave it a shot, adds some hype and fits the HSC vibe anyway. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
On July 24 2022 08:30 Nakajin wrote: Elazer after 2-0 Reynor protoss: I'm not afraid of Zoun, Reynor protoss is better then him Proceed to get 3-0 in 30 minutes ouch | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
Besides, beating Solar in actual tournaments, and Armani, HeroMarine, ShowTime and others in weeklies is pretty sick. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26658 Posts
On July 24 2022 08:31 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: I really like seeing Reynor offrace. I feel like it has a pretty positive effect on the scene overall, and it's not like Reynor has anything to prove. Besides, beating Solar in actual tournaments, and Armani, HeroMarine, ShowTime and others in weeklies is pretty sick. I wonder what his P MMR is, those are some solid scalps. I was under the impression he had his PvZ specifically at a level to beat good pros, less so the other P matchups. Like a much, much, much better version of me when I was active, my T wasn’t overall too hot but my TvP was as good as my P matchups (much better than my PvZ which has been godawful in every meta since WoL) In other news Serral seems to be waking from his relative slumber, looking pretty damn solid last couple games. | ||
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dysenterymd
1250 Posts
On July 24 2022 08:54 WombaT wrote: I wonder what his P MMR is, those are some solid scalps. I was under the impression he had his PvZ specifically at a level to beat good pros, less so the other P matchups. Like a much, much, much better version of me when I was active, my T wasn’t overall too hot but my TvP was as good as my P matchups (much better than my PvZ which has been godawful in every meta since WoL) In other news Serral seems to be waking from his relative slumber, looking pretty damn solid last couple games. Serral's looking better but not good enough to win the tourney, he'll need to level up again to beat Clem. I feel like Reynor's PvZ is very good in some ways but also not very well rounded, which is why he can beat people like Solar and then lose to Ratata/almost lose to Denver. | ||
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United States12989 Posts
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New Zealand4532 Posts
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warnull
United States280 Posts
On July 24 2022 11:16 FataLe wrote: What twitch accounts do I follow if I want to rewatch the tourny Main stream: https://www.twitch.tv/taketv B Streams: https://twitch.tv/feardragon64 https://twitch.tv/zombiegrub Sometimes the non-english streams cover matches not covered by A or B stream, see HomeStory Cup/21 | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4532 Posts
On July 24 2022 11:41 warnull wrote: Main stream: https://www.twitch.tv/taketv B Streams: https://twitch.tv/feardragon64 https://twitch.tv/zombiegrub Sometimes the non-english streams cover matches not covered by A or B stream, see https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/HomeStory_Cup/21 thanks! | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On July 24 2022 08:31 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: I really like seeing Reynor offrace. I feel like it has a pretty positive effect on the scene overall, and it's not like Reynor has anything to prove. Besides, beating Solar in actual tournaments, and Armani, HeroMarine, ShowTime and others in weeklies is pretty sick. I just don't like that it's allowed to switch race mid-series after map vetoes, that seems stupid | ||
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RKC
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tigera6
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Dont play late game turtling TvZ if you are not Maru, somehow he always has enough unit to defend (barely) and survive into the ultra lategame. Other Terrans just die to mass lingbane crashing over and over again. Showtime really had his shot at beating Serral in the LB, but I think he was missing the timing push. Everything got flipped around the moment Zerg safely got to that late game tech of Lurker-Viper or Infestor-BL, and that has been the problem for Ground Toss army in years unless you are way ahead and can transition quickly into Stargate. Reynor off-racing Protoss arent the prettiest thing in the world, to be honest, he mostly macro up to 4 base with lots of Probe, Gateway and turtling from there until the Zerg smashing their head into the defense. While I said I didnt mind seeing Reynor off-racing if it gave him a better matchup (PvZ vs ZvZ), I dont see thats being the case at the moment. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17729 Posts
On July 24 2022 07:31 darklycid wrote: Gotta say there is a tiny bit in me that feels some schadenfreude that reynors protoss shenanigans turn on him. idk why he would try protoss vs Elazer, against Solar I think it makes sense cause Solar seems much worse vsP than vsZ lately | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17729 Posts
On July 24 2022 12:48 Charoisaur wrote: I just don't like that it's allowed to switch race mid-series after map vetoes, that seems stupid yea after map vetoes, that is pretty messed up (obviously it doesn't really matter when they're playing ZvZ, but if Elazer was a terran player instead then his map vetoes might be completely different if he had to factor in Reynor playing Protoss and Zerg) | ||
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Durnuu
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On July 24 2022 16:09 Garnet wrote: When is the next matches? can't find them anywhere. Starts in 4 hours from now. | ||
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Yrr
Germany804 Posts
Neeb vs Guhimo | ||
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Miyauchi Rin
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On July 24 2022 16:55 Yrr wrote: Is there a full VoD of day 3 Upper Quarter-Finals + Show Spoiler + Neeb vs Guhimo I watched it on IndyStarcraft. It starts just after the 5 hour mark. | ||
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Poopi
France12911 Posts
On July 24 2022 08:30 Nakajin wrote: Elazer after 2-0 Reynor protoss: I'm not afraid of Zoun, Reynor protoss is better then him Proceed to get 3-0 in 30 minutes Hopefully that’s trolling, Zoun has taken series of Dark and Rogue whereas Reynor’s Protoss struggles against retired player Denver | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2719 Posts
On July 24 2022 20:07 Yrr wrote: Is there an official ETA on when it starts today? it was 12:30 then 1pm now it is 2pm. When the staff and players wake up from their hangover :D It'll probably start at 2. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17729 Posts
On July 24 2022 20:07 Yrr wrote: Is there an official ETA on when it starts today? it was 12:30 then 1pm now it is 2pm. countdown says 6 minutes https://www.twitch.tv/taketv | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On July 24 2022 23:41 Elentos wrote: But is any of these Protoss players going to beat Clem? Astrea might. But if Clem beats Astrea I think he has a good shot at winning this thing. | ||
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On July 24 2022 23:41 Elentos wrote: But is any of these Protoss players going to beat Clem? Believe in Jo-Hun | ||
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On July 24 2022 23:41 Elentos wrote: But is any of these Protoss players going to beat Clem? Zoun can. | ||
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On July 24 2022 23:51 Elentos wrote: In order of best to worst record against Clem: Neeb, Astrea, Lambo, Zoun Bet most of these were online. Clem is an offline choker | ||
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On July 24 2022 23:52 Durnuu wrote: Bet most of these were online. Clem is an offline choker Unlike all those illustrious champions left in this tournament? | ||
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On July 24 2022 23:54 Elentos wrote: Unlike all those illustrious champions left in this tournament? Zoun is technically a proleague winner, hater. | ||
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On July 25 2022 00:02 Durnuu wrote: I wonder if Neeb used to play basketball, because that was quite the throw. He hasn't lost yet | ||
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Yes, but unlike those players that don't want to attack, I have balls and call things early | ||
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On July 25 2022 00:14 TheDougler wrote: Neeb leading against Serral!? Lets go Neeb! Been a while since I last watched Starcraft. It's not just that he's winning, it really looks like he's gonna win this. The feeling of watching this is quite different from other series where Serral or Reynor was down 0-2 but you still knew you were probably losing. | ||
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On July 25 2022 00:15 Nebuchad wrote: It's not just that he's winning, it really looks like he's gonna win this. The feeling of watching this is quite different from other series where Serral or Reynor was down 0-2 but you still knew you were probably losing. idk, that game 4 looked awful | ||
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It doesn't matter if he ends up losing, just the fact that it looked like he was going to win is enough. We haven't had that in, like, at least 3 years. I might start watching again. | ||
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On July 25 2022 00:27 tigera6 wrote: Neeb and herO both take the gold as the 4th, and both get smashed. It just doesnt make sense for that kind of move, unless he was walling off the entire right side. Yeah the gold is a terrible idea as a 4th, it's just too far away. | ||
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On July 25 2022 00:34 LostUsername100 wrote: Serral too good, but I don't like his chances vs the gauntlet of Protosses that's coming up. In his past three series he's lost games, looked lost and confused, and started playing a lot better. If he retains some knowledge and doesn't need to lose games to remember how to play ZvP I think he'll be fine. | ||
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On July 25 2022 00:39 JJH777 wrote: But Zerg is supposed to have shitty cheeses. That's the reason reddit tells me they should be allowed to be the strongest in almost every other phase of the game. I will not accept whine after the series that made me want to watch starcraft again lol | ||
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On July 25 2022 00:40 Nebuchad wrote: I will not accept whine after the series that made me want to watch starcraft again lol If Serral winning a series made you want to watch more StarCraft then I'm not sure why you stopped. | ||
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On July 25 2022 00:43 JJH777 wrote: If Serral winning a series made you want to watch more StarCraft then I'm not sure why you stopped. Not sure what to tell you, I can't watch a game where my race is hopeless at winning. This was clearly not hopeless. If you're going to say that you knew Serral was winning this series when it was 0-2, you're lying to yourself. | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
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On July 25 2022 00:45 Nebuchad wrote: Not sure what to tell you, I can't watch a game where my race is hopeless at winning. This was clearly not hopeless. If you're going to say that you knew Serral was winning this series when it was 0-2, you're lying to yourself. I thought Neeb didn't even need to leave the 3rd game when he did. I think he still had a shot at winning. | ||
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On July 25 2022 00:34 LostUsername100 wrote: Serral too good, but I don't like his chances vs the gauntlet of Protosses that's coming up. I don't think his matches are going to get harder from this point on. | ||
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Astrea, Maddox, Rushi according to twitch chat | ||
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On July 25 2022 00:45 Nebuchad wrote: Not sure what to tell you, I can't watch a game where my race is hopeless at winning. This was clearly not hopeless. If you're going to say that you knew Serral was winning this series when it was 0-2, you're lying to yourself. That both races have a good chance of outplaying the other, and that there is a variety in a matchups are very healthy signs. There were even debates if ZvP is more watchable than TvZ now when queen walks are gone. The games today seem to be more about being clever and strategic than executing razor sharp unstoppable timings or building unbeatable armies. This has to be one of the better tourneys gameplay wise for a long time, all matchups considered. | ||
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On July 25 2022 01:01 tigera6 wrote: Zoun messed it up more, I think all 4 of his buildings were taken down with 1 round of biles. Right at the start, too. He clumped up cannons and batteries to the max vs biles. | ||
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On July 25 2022 01:07 JJH777 wrote: This build never works. Zest made it work a couple times against Serral, either pure Chargelot or adding a couple of Archon. | ||
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On July 25 2022 01:35 Charoisaur wrote: 10 minute pause mid-series? Server issues | ||
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Edit: And he suddenly derps with disruptors when it's all on the line. | ||
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On July 25 2022 02:53 JJH777 wrote: Zerg sucks. ye, i hope next balance patch will make them competitive again! | ||
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On July 25 2022 02:53 JJH777 wrote: Zerg sucks. You should put more emphazise on that. There a still people here who watch the tournament for fun. How dare them? Balance-whining is the only reason this game is still around, who cares about anything else? Please elaborate more and in detail how Zoun and Neeb, two of the greatest gamers of all times, could lose to scrubs like Serral and Lambo, which would be impossible usually. That is what everyone is here for, right? On an unimportant sidenote: Lots of fun games this HSC and two great PvZs today. Really feel like the only thing sucking the fun out of the game right now is Ghosts, but besides that it seems in a good spot. | ||
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On July 25 2022 03:07 Balnazza wrote: You should put more emphazise on that. There a still people here who watch the tournament for fun. How dare them? Balance-whining is the only reason this game is still around, who cares about anything else? Please elaborate more and in detail how Zoun and Neeb, two of the greatest gamers of all times, could lose to scrubs like Serral and Lambo, which would be impossible usually. That is what everyone is here for, right? On an unimportant sidenote: Lots of fun games this HSC and two great PvZs today. Really feel like the only thing sucking the fun out of the game right now is Ghosts, but besides that it seems in a good spot. How dare you diss ghosts? Finally Terrans have found a latgame comp which needs to be respected, and the race is not dependant on haimary timings or roll over to die. There has even been some clutch counterplay around like neuro-emp. This game is a lot more about players than races now. I wish more Terrans were competitive, but at least I get to admire the beautiful play of Clem. | ||
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On July 25 2022 03:49 Balnazza wrote: I have no idea what Lambo smokes but that last game was fun as hell. Seeing Serral struggle his way back to the top is amazing, really curious how far he can get It's been fun to watch Serral's run. I feel like in 2018 he was mechanically dominant and clutch, from 2019-22 he was mechanically dominant but not that clutch, and now we're seeing a Serral that looks clutch but not mechanically dominant. I still think Clem probably beats him though. | ||
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On July 25 2022 03:07 Balnazza wrote: You should put more emphazise on that. There a still people here who watch the tournament for fun. How dare them? Balance-whining is the only reason this game is still around, who cares about anything else? Please elaborate more and in detail how Zoun and Neeb, two of the greatest gamers of all times, could lose to scrubs like Serral and Lambo, which would be impossible usually. That is what everyone is here for, right? On an unimportant sidenote: Lots of fun games this HSC and two great PvZs today. Really feel like the only thing sucking the fun out of the game right now is Ghosts, but besides that it seems in a good spot. Complaining about me complaining about balance and then saying ghosts should be nerfed. The unit that is the only reason Zerg actually didn't win a few events in the last year. I think you just want Zerg to win absolutely everything. | ||
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On July 25 2022 03:54 dysenterymd wrote: It's been fun to watch Serral's run. I feel like in 2018 he was mechanically dominant and clutch, from 2019-22 he was mechanically dominant but not that clutch, and now we're seeing a Serral that looks clutch but not mechanically dominant. I still think Clem probably beats him though. I’d say in general yeah, although Serral’s span of having that clutch factor I’d say was a little longer. Granted I completely bastardise the general concept of being ‘clutch’ to include showing up, bringing your A game and absolutely stomping opponents. If Serral decides to go against what he’s shown most the tournament and not start slowly and grow into a series I’d give him a shot against Clem if they face off, but no way if he donates a few sets getting his eye in. | ||
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On July 25 2022 05:10 JJH777 wrote: Complaining about me complaining about balance and then saying ghosts should be nerfed. The unit that is the only reason Zerg actually didn't win a few events in the last year. I think you just want Zerg to win absolutely everything. Probably a Serral/Reynor fanboy. I mean to be fair he said fun, not balance. We’ve had periods of (relative) equilibrium in PvZ with sky toss and good lord that sucked. Personally I find what Maru can pull off more awe-inspiring than super entertaining. From that point there was a good longish period where Clem was ascending to TvZ godhood and trading blows regularly with Serral and Reynor by just pushing and microing like a lunatic, Reynor was starting to develop heavy lurker styles and adjacent to that Cure had some brief success with super mine drop heavy approach | ||
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Good job by Astrea, he really needed that game, if he can get good start to his games he should be dangerous. | ||
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On July 25 2022 05:10 JJH777 wrote: Complaining about me complaining about balance and then saying ghosts should be nerfed. The unit that is the only reason Zerg actually didn't win a few events in the last year. I think you just want Zerg to win absolutely everything. I made a minor comment about Ghosts, who are just not really fun to watch...though I don't like watching terran in general, so that can be that. But if you are so invested into balance-whining, maybe just switch to AoE 2/4? There Civ-balance doesn't matter that much, so you can finally enjoy watching a tournament Man, Serral really throws games hard this tourney. That 2nd game is one he usually would never give away in a million years. Even if he gets passed Astrea (which is still highly likely) I don't really see him win against Clem, who doesn't play amazing at all, but just super consistent | ||
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On July 25 2022 06:27 geokilla wrote: That fight in between the two Zerg bases killed Astrea He just needed an extra half a second on the warp in, bad luck | ||
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On July 25 2022 05:55 Balnazza wrote: I made a minor comment about Ghosts, who are just not really fun to watch...though I don't like watching terran in general, so that can be that. But if you are so invested into balance-whining, maybe just switch to AoE 2/4? There Civ-balance doesn't matter that much, so you can finally enjoy watching a tournament Man, Serral really throws games hard this tourney. That 2nd game is one he usually would never give away in a million years. Even if he gets passed Astrea (which is still highly likely) I don't really see him win against Clem, who doesn't play amazing at all, but just super consistent Ah yes, the classic Zerg gaslighting strategy of cloaking your balance whine as design critique. It's not that Zergs might lose a series once in a blue moon, it's that ghosts just aren't fun! | ||
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On July 25 2022 06:32 Athenau wrote: Ah yes, the classic Zerg gaslighting strategy of cloaking your balance whine as design critique. It's not that Zergs might occasionally lose a series, it's that ghosts just aren't fun! Dude...I'm saying terran is not fun for 10 years by now...I just don't like watching terran, I think most strats they have are just not fun compared to the other two races. Don't like watching, playing or playing aganst terran. Doesn't mean terran is OP. Happy? Interesting that Serral feels confident against Clem after all the shaky games he had so far. But I guess he hasn't fallen yet, so lets see if he can pull it off | ||
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On July 25 2022 06:41 Argonauta wrote: Ghosts are superfun tho , you should ladder as terran and play with them a bit Ghosts are super unfun tho, you should ladder as Zerg and play against them a bit Ideally queens and ghosts would both be nerfed and the rest of the game would be rebalanced accordingly, but at this point the best we can hope for in SC2 is minor tweaks around the edges. Not that minor tweaks are pointless, the queen nerf improved PvZ a lot, I just think there are some unfun things in SC2 that would need major overhauls to fix. Still a pretty fun game to play and watch overall though, as much as people complain. | ||
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On July 25 2022 06:44 dysenterymd wrote: Ghosts are super unfun tho, you should ladder as Zerg and play against them a bit Ideally queens and ghosts would both be nerfed and the rest of the game would be rebalanced accordingly, but at this point the best we can hope for in SC2 is minor tweaks around the edges. Not that minor tweaks are pointless, the queen nerf improved PvZ a lot, I just think there are some unfun things in SC2 that would need major overhauls to fix. Still a pretty fun game to play and watch overall though, as much as people complain. Are there really non pros terrans that are bullying zergs with ghosts on the ladder? I am willing to bet most of them try to use ghosts and get rolled on creep or by ling / banes waves and just try to play without many ghosts | ||
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On July 25 2022 06:51 Poopi wrote: Are there really non pros terrans that are bullying zergs with ghosts on the ladder? I am willing to bet most of them try to use ghosts and get rolled on creep or by ling / banes waves and just try to play without many ghosts Yeah I don't think ghost turtle is an epidemic on ladder or anything, but on the rare occasion I run into it it's pretty boring to play against. As always, obligatory fundraising segment gives the lower bracket player much more time to prepare. | ||
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On July 25 2022 06:51 Poopi wrote: Are there really non pros terrans that are bullying zergs with ghosts on the ladder? I am willing to bet most of them try to use ghosts and get rolled on creep or by ling / banes waves and just try to play without many ghosts the joke is that terran doesn't have to be on creep but just sits in the back and waits. | ||
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On July 25 2022 06:51 Poopi wrote: Are there really non pros terrans that are bullying zergs with ghosts on the ladder? I am willing to bet most of them try to use ghosts and get rolled on creep or by ling / banes waves and just try to play without many ghosts Probably not, but lower level zergs will have WAY less units, and are rather kept in check my money mine hits, unattended drops and suiciding armies into tank lines. | ||
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I think we can live with ghost for a couple of weeks. Plus every match up feels great to watch right now (except maybe zvz that seems to be back into the "throwing bullshit and seeing if it stick" phase) | ||
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On July 25 2022 06:58 Slydie wrote: Probably not, but lower level zergs will have WAY less units, and are rather kept in check my money mine hits, unattended drops and suiciding armies into tank lines. I don't think that's unique to the lower level Zerg experience though, Starcraft II has all kinds of things where a momentary lapse in attention will just destroy your game. I'm sure lower level Terran/Protoss feel the same about baneling runbys, for example. I wonder if SC2 would have been more successful as an esport if some of these unit interactions were more forgiving, and the game ended less abruptly after mistakes that, while rare on the pro level, are super common for everyone else. | ||
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On July 25 2022 06:58 Slydie wrote: Probably not, but lower level zergs will have WAY less units, and are rather kept in check my money mine hits, unattended drops and suiciding armies into tank lines. and lower level terrans will also have way less units and will be kept in check with money Bane hits, unattended Nydus and suiciding armies on Creep | ||
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On July 25 2022 05:55 Balnazza wrote: I made a minor comment about Ghosts, who are just not really fun to watch...though I don't like watching terran in general, so that can be that. But if you are so invested into balance-whining, maybe just switch to AoE 2/4? There Civ-balance doesn't matter that much, so you can finally enjoy watching a tournament Man, Serral really throws games hard this tourney. That 2nd game is one he usually would never give away in a million years. Even if he gets passed Astrea (which is still highly likely) I don't really see him win against Clem, who doesn't play amazing at all, but just super consistent Same here. I’m not a fan of watching terrans play either. Not cause the race is boring or lack of skills, but mainly cause the terran fanboys are insufferable. Years and years of complaining every time T doesn’t win a tournament. This Imba that OP, map op, A move etc. And when a T does win they start bragging and pump their chest saying nonsense such as T hardest race to play or “just play like Maru” | ||
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On July 25 2022 07:08 Charoisaur wrote: and lower level terrans will also have way less units and will be kept in check with money Bane hits, unattended Nydus and suiciding armies on Creep The whole point of what is easier x/y/z is difficult to evaluate. Example: Zerg should actually be pretty good for beginners, all hatch on a hotkey to build units. But regular inject, you work a lot with vision -> creep/overload, no proper wall or other races haras via air ways. on the other hand you have with Toss a race that can warp 6xdifferent units. but you can easily make the wall wrong, build irregular units (too few?) etc.. the whole thing can now be done with Terran as well... with advantages and after parts for beginners... | ||
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[edit] Glad I was wrong, still want Clem to win this event too. | ||
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Do you have anything else? | ||
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On July 25 2022 08:37 Vindicare605 wrote: It's at this point in a series I question if Clem really has a lot of depth to his strategies. We know he's fast, we know he can micro like a king. But when that clearly isn't enough and when Serral is reading you like an open book, what do you do? Go for the same openers again and again? Play the same style again and again? Do you have anything else? Yeah, it feels like all he can do at this point is execute better. Peak execution Clem can beat Serral, but going from iffy execution to your best execution in between series when you're already tired is really difficult. Even if his aggressive style is good enough 90% of the time more strategic depth would really help him. He's still young though, I'm sure he'll grow over time. | ||
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On July 25 2022 08:40 Husyelt wrote: Why does Serral have to win 5 games? Why not just do the 1 point lead for Clem It's a double elimination tournament. Clem is coming from the Winner's Bracket. | ||
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On July 25 2022 08:37 Vindicare605 wrote: It's at this point in a series I question if Clem really has a lot of depth to his strategies. We know he's fast, we know he can micro like a king. But when that clearly isn't enough and when Serral is reading you like an open book, what do you do? Go for the same openers again and again? Play the same style again and again? Do you have anything else? It's quite true, he needs to learn from Maru on how to deal with late-game zerg if he wants to actually take a title. His typical style won't hold up to the likes of Serral or Reynor in good form as evidenced here. He won the only game in the Bo5 first finals by doing a different build/strategy/opening. | ||
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On July 25 2022 08:52 Vindicare605 wrote: Sigh. A second Ghost academy isn't an error Rotterdam. You can only store one nuke per silo. Since Clem never build a nuke, I'm pretty sure it was a mistake in the moment | ||
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On July 25 2022 08:41 Vindicare605 wrote: It's a double elimination tournament. Clem is coming from the Winner's Bracket. Feel like 2 game advantage is too big for me for the finals. Even if Serral doesn't win, the past 8 HSC's hes gotten 1st or 2nd, stupendous record. Excellent final day, excellent tourney. Astrea leveling up was fun to see as well. | ||
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On July 25 2022 09:01 Husyelt wrote: Feel like 2 game advantage is too big for me for the finals. Even if Serral doesn't win, the past 8 HSC's hes gotten 1st or 2nd, stupendous record. Excellent final day, excellent tourney. Astrea leveling up was fun to see as well. Winning a bo7 down one game is harder than winning a bo5 and then a bo3 imo. It's also fairest - everyone gets to lose one series in the playoffs. I would prefer for the second match to be a bo5 as well, bo3 feels too volatile for determining a tournament, but considering how long these days are already having the second match be bo3 is understandable. | ||
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On July 25 2022 08:57 yoshi245 wrote: It's quite true, he needs to learn from Maru on how to deal with late-game zerg if he wants to actually take a title. His typical style won't hold up to the likes of Serral or Reynor in good form as evidenced here. He won the only game in the Bo5 first finals by doing a different build/strategy/opening. +1 on this analysis from me. Big Clem fanboy here, and I respect Serral; as long as he's not playing against Clement. I just rage-quit from watching the stream as it seems inevitiable that another HSC goes to the Finnish Phenom. It's just frustrating Clem's not able to crack the safe to Serral at all this series. Just would like for Clem to win an offline HSC. Maybe another time. | ||
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GGWP to Serral huge losers run. | ||
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What other great losers runs are there in starcraft history? I don't think anyone will ever top Dark's TSL run ofc. | ||
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On July 25 2022 09:13 chipmonklord17 wrote: H5C trophy for Serral next time or riot Can't trust Serral around trophies! Hahaha... | ||
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On July 25 2022 09:09 tommey.liang wrote: +1 on this analysis from me. Big Clem fanboy here, and I respect Serral; as long as he's not playing against Clement. I just rage-quit from watching the stream as it seems inevitiable that another HSC goes to the Finnish Phenom. It's just frustrating Clem's not able to crack the safe to Serral at all this series. Just would like for Clem to win an offline HSC. Maybe another time. He is young, but he needs to evolve if he wants to get past that hump and stop being recognized as EU's best Terran yet failing to defeat the likes of the kings of zerg in Serral and Reynor. Serral did great though, he came through clutch and I don't want to take anything away from him as he went through the lower bracket, but once again we see him win which despite his performance was anti-climatic for me. Was pleasantly surprised of Astrea's performance though, that was a great showing. | ||
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Antithesis
Germany1236 Posts
On July 25 2022 05:18 Antithesis wrote: Great tournament so far. Nice to see one terran, one zerg, and one protoss in the top 3. My prediction for the finals: Serral beats Astrea 3:1, but loses to Clem 3:1 in the first BO5. I stand corrected. Congratulations to Serral! What a performance overall. Amazing. | ||
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Azhrak
Finland1198 Posts
Thanks TakeTV & crew for a great event! | ||
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TossHeroes
281 Posts
On July 25 2022 09:18 Azhrak wrote: Congrats Serral! The four-time back-toback HSC winner and the absolute GOAT! Thanks TakeTV & crew for a great event! Goat just keep adding more trophies to his collection | ||
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TaKeTV
Germany1200 Posts
its done. December without 20 replacements please, thank you everyone. I (we) appreciate feedback here. I gladly forward stuff ot the team as well. -NarutO | ||
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Beelzebub1
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tigera6
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Azzur
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DarthCaedus
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661
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On July 25 2022 11:34 Beelzebub1 wrote: Serral is really just something special, he knows how to win when all the chips are down, the mentality of a champion. This That comeback against Neeb was insane, Serral really doesn't like to lose | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7154 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26658 Posts
On July 25 2022 13:42 Azzur wrote: Not sure if people watched the Need vs Serral match, but Serral was 0-2 down and definitely losing the 3rd game but somehow managed to turn it around. This is how fine margins can be. He was on the ropes quite a few times. Actually one of his more impressive/memorable wins for a while for me, he’s usually playing such high level Starcraft that it carries him through. Not so much this time, for whatever reason he hasn’t looked quite as sharp, but hung on in there and scraped through. Then seemed to turn it on and really hit his A game to take out Clem, a match I thought would be much tighter. | ||
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661
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On July 25 2022 19:06 WombaT wrote: He was on the ropes quite a few times. Actually one of his more impressive/memorable wins for a while for me, he’s usually playing such high level Starcraft that it carries him through. Not so much this time, for whatever reason he hasn’t looked quite as sharp, but hung on in there and scraped through. Then seemed to turn it on and really hit his A game to take out Clem, a match I thought would be much tighter. Yep, the first game was an absolute massacre There will be a replaypack? I’d watch it on replay, there was so many runbys all over the map | ||
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Curufinwe Feanor
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Curufinwe Feanor
Brazil91 Posts
Its been so satisfying to watch Neeb going head to head with the best again! | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19334 Posts
On July 25 2022 23:11 Curufinwe Feanor wrote: By the way... Its been so satisfying to watch Neeb going head to head with the best again! Neeb has been excellent for the past 7 years. Now that Protoss is finally in a good place again, he's doing well too. It was probably really hard for someone of his skill to have to endure the Zerg domination era hoping that patches would come so he could be competitive enough to win championships again.I'm very impressed that he stuck through and is still showing the same competitiveness he's had from the beginning. edit: This HSC was an excellent watch and tons of fun. Thank you crew and players! | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On July 25 2022 23:11 Curufinwe Feanor wrote: By the way... Its been so satisfying to watch Neeb going head to head with the best again! Yeah I'm surprised by that, isn't he just part-time at the moment? | ||
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HolydaKing
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On July 25 2022 23:08 Curufinwe Feanor wrote: Man... i think Serral did this run purpose, so that we could have more emotion! Certainly made for a much more epic and more exciting final day. | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1281 Posts
On July 26 2022 00:31 Charoisaur wrote: Yeah I'm surprised by that, isn't he just part-time at the moment? That is actually the weirdest thing. Neeb was basically gone from the top-level, but as soon as he decides to not play fulltime anymore he really came through again | ||
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Poopi
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Mariuslol1
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On July 25 2022 09:12 dysenterymd wrote: Damn, Serral turned it on when it mattered. He really does feel like a different player offline than online. And on the ladder, I think serral has reached numbers in mrr, no one is even close to. Something batshit crazy like 7500sr or something, so that if he loses to #2 he loses 40 points, wins 3 or something lol | ||
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Mariuslol1
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On July 25 2022 09:15 yoshi245 wrote: He is young, but he needs to evolve if he wants to get past that hump and stop being recognized as EU's best Terran yet failing to defeat the likes of the kings of zerg in Serral and Reynor. Serral did great though, he came through clutch and I don't want to take anything away from him as he went through the lower bracket, but once again we see him win which despite his performance was anti-climatic for me. Was pleasantly surprised of Astrea's performance though, that was a great showing. Great post, did you not feel it, in that 1st game in the 2nd finals, towards the end? I thought they played out of their minds, and just whoever did the first miss step would lose, Clem and Serral both seem to be playing out of their minds, and both could feel the loss/win any second. Thought that was mesmerizing | ||
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Vision_
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TaKeTV
Germany1200 Posts
On July 27 2022 19:33 Vision_ wrote: Thanks to TakeTV which changed the order of games, allowing Serral to play 3 games in a row forcing Clem to watch and wait the old goat... ? Serral vs Lambo Clem vs Astrea Serral vs Astrea Finals ?? | ||
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Vision_
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On July 28 2022 00:41 TaKeTV wrote: ? Serral vs Lambo Clem vs Astrea Serral vs Astrea Finals ?? Yeah why the lower bracket final has been played before the upper bracket final ? Astrea should have waited for Serral in loser bracket. As you have done the contrary, i think it s a bit disrespectfull | ||
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Moonerz
United States461 Posts
On July 28 2022 06:46 Vision_ wrote: Yeah why the lower bracket final has been played before the upper bracket final ? Astrea should have waited for Serral in loser bracket. As you have done the contrary, i think it s a bit disrespectfull How could you play the final losers match before the person loses in the upper bracket? Unless im missing something... | ||
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tigera6
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On July 28 2022 08:21 Moonerz wrote: How could you play the final losers match before the person loses in the upper bracket? Unless im missing something... He probably mean the Lower Bracket SEMI final, aka Serral vs Lambo, should be played after the Upper Bracket Final so that Astrea has the advantage of more rest time. It might not even matter in this case because the series of Clem vs Astrea was quite quick, but had it been a long and exausting 5-games series that last 2 hours then it would be weird for Astrea to only have a short 15 minutes break before facing Serral who had rested for over 2 hours. I understand why HSC did it this way though, because otherwise Serral would have to play 3 series straight all the way to the Grand Final which is also too much for him. I guess there is just no perfect solution here. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7154 Posts
Don't sweat it TakeTV. There is always that one person | ||
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Vision_
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On July 28 2022 20:07 Harris1st wrote: I think the order of games that was chosen was fine for all but one person apparently... Don't sweat it TakeTV. There is always that one person It s not the order of the game which really matters. It s more about all projectors put on one person. If the upper bracket is played before the lower bracket, the player who is waiting his opponent can watch at his performance and take a break. Astrea has played two games in a row (Clem vs Astrea, Serral vs Astrea) while the order of the tree is made for advantage the one who comes from the upper bracket. I just want to say that. I did. | ||
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UncleVelvet
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TaKeTV
Germany1200 Posts
On August 18 2022 01:27 UncleVelvet wrote: Hey anyone know what happened to the English VODs? I'm catching up and all the links are SC2Links are broken. Did Take pull them? Were they on the main German stream or on TakeTV2? Hello, you can find them here: https://www.youtube.com/c/taketv | ||
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