EPTDreamHack Masters: Valencia 2022 - Main Event - Page 37
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On July 04 2022 00:19 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Glad that's over with. Wasn't this once the best matchup? To be fair when the games are closer they're fantastic. Maru vs Reynor from a month or two ago in King of Battles was genuinely one of the best sc2 series of all time. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On July 04 2022 00:19 TossHeroes wrote: And why would inferior players beat the two goats? ( Serral and rogue) So.... they don't beat top zergs in TvZs then | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15966 Posts
On July 04 2022 00:22 Fango wrote: How do you even go up against that. I can't imagine how bad it must feel to enter a series knowing your opponent will drag each game into a 45 minute trench war. At least when Dark beats you it's a 20 minute bo5, you don't have to spend 2 hours losing. Hmm I think Reynor was maybe a little to willing to go into the BL Infestor stage. Like if he spent his entire bank trying to kill Maru with remaxes like Rogue does maybe it would have worked. And it would definitely be less infuriating to play for the Zerg | ||
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tigera6
3398 Posts
On July 04 2022 00:25 Charoisaur wrote: Hmm I think Reynor was maybe a little to willing to go into the BL Infestor stage. Like if he spent his entire bank trying to kill Maru with remaxes like Rogue does maybe it would have worked. And it would definitely be less infuriating to play for the Zerg Its just hard to do that against Mech opening, there will always be enough tank against the Lingbane crash. The key for Reynor would be: telling Maru "lets play PvP next time" | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On July 04 2022 00:25 Charoisaur wrote: Hmm I think Reynor was maybe a little to willing to go into the BL Infestor stage. Like if he spent his entire bank trying to kill Maru with remaxes like Rogue does maybe it would have worked. And it would definitely be less infuriating to play for the Zerg If he plays Dark in the finals, we'll probably see roach or lingbane floods into eternal lingbane remaxes. It's how Dark beat Maru's 'unbeatable' raven lategame back in 2018. | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On July 04 2022 00:24 Fango wrote: To be fair when the games are closer they're fantastic. Maru vs Reynor from a month or two ago in King of Battles was genuinely one of the best sc2 series of all time. Yes, I agree. It's because I expect TvZs to be good that I'm so disappointed. This was still better than most 2021 PvZs  . | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15966 Posts
On July 04 2022 00:26 tigera6 wrote: Its just hard to do that against Mech opening, there will always be enough tank against the Lingbane crash. The key for Reynor would be: telling Maru "lets play PvP next time" True but even in g1 were Maru played Bio and Reynor had a huge lead, Reynor kinda just let the game drag on instead of going for the kill | ||
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parksonsc
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2655 Posts
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Creager
Germany1895 Posts
On July 04 2022 00:24 EquilasH wrote: Maru is amazing but I don't think that's a fair comparison at all unless you compare Maru's lategame in a vacuum to Flash's overall play. Either way it's hard to compare a BW player to a SC2 player but that's my 2 cents. I never said Maru was the Flash of SC2, just tried to convey that when he brings his A-game it somewhat reminds me of Flash's meticulously-planned style of play. But on the other hand you're doing Maru a little unfair here by limiting him to his lategame prowess when he's (historically speaking) probably the most versatile Terran in SC2 overall, maybe aside from Mvp. | ||
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tigera6
3398 Posts
On July 04 2022 00:29 Charoisaur wrote: True but even in g1 were Maru played Bio and Reynor had a huge lead, Reynor kinda just let the game drag on instead of going for the kill Yeah, Reynor sticked with Roach-Ravager for too long in game 1, he though he could just beat Maru down after that disaster opening from Maru. By the time Reynor switched back to LingbaneUltra, its too late. | ||
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tigera6
3398 Posts
On July 04 2022 00:30 parksonsc wrote: Watching Maru playing late game, the biggest question is why doesn't he always open standard and drag the game late. We knows no one can out last him in the late game. The same reason as why he still doing proxy rack in TvT despite he can win 95% of the game doing standard: hes a baboon. | ||
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allmotor1
153 Posts
dont blame Maru for turtling, the tops zergs just eat up bio now. make 21312 queens, defend vs all early harrassment, spread creep, eat up the whole map and profit. no other Terran can do what maru does with the late game. I find it fun to watch. | ||
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TaKeTV
Germany1199 Posts
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FCHK
202 Posts
On July 04 2022 00:25 Charoisaur wrote: Hmm I think Reynor was maybe a little to willing to go into the BL Infestor stage. Like if he spent his entire bank trying to kill Maru with remaxes like Rogue does maybe it would have worked. And it would definitely be less infuriating to play for the Zerg He was trying that, but it didn't work since he had a lot of supply tied up in swarm hosts Also, hellbats are just so efficient against locusts and lings | ||
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sirok_
33 Posts
On July 04 2022 00:30 parksonsc wrote: Watching Maru playing late game, the biggest question is why doesn't he always open standard and drag the game late. We knows no one can out last him in the late game. At this level of TvZ, you can't be passive or predictable. Zergs will snowball ahead if left alone, and they're not short on all-ins or greed plays if you make yourself predictable as Terran. | ||
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darklycid
3511 Posts
On July 04 2022 00:35 TaKeTV wrote: Maru 0-3 Creator would be peak Maru You'd hear creators screams in your home then  | ||
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EquilasH
Denmark2142 Posts
On July 04 2022 00:30 Creager wrote: I never said Maru was the Flash of SC2, just tried to convey that when he brings his A-game it somewhat reminds me of Flash's meticulously-planned style of play. But on the other hand you're doing Maru a little unfair here by limiting him to his lategame prowess when he's (historically speaking) probably the most versatile Terran in SC2 overall, maybe aside from Mvp. I'm not trying to say that Maru's early- and midgame isn't amazing - because it certainly is. I did think you were comparing them in some way though so I might've misunderstood what you were trying to say. IF we were comparing them though, being incredible at the game is just not enough to for me to get those vibes - it would have to be uniquely astounding for me to get Flash-esque vibes. Edit: And I do think Maru's lategame is astounding, which is why I think it's a comparison that could be made if you looked at Maru's lategame in a vacuum. | ||
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Creager
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